RCi Definitely back to not so good old ways.

[nelblu]

45 minutes ago, rimmit said:

Yes.  I have an outstanding claim with them right now from when we had to cancel stuff when my wife was run over.  They are painfully inefficient.  I will see if it covers cruises.  It covered airfare but we have none for this trip.

Mine covered cruise fare & cancellation fees.  I was given a future credit from United for the airfare.

[iuki]

1 hour ago, rimmit said:

Well we are at urgent care now, just to support that claim.  I have dealt with travel insurance extensively due to the our experience in Zimbabwe, which is a novel in itself in terms of what it took to get out of Zimbabwe, so I know exactly what they want to see.

 

TBH, part of my frustration is the last 3.5 months have been an absolute nightmare.  I cannot begin to explain the horror of we went through in Zimbabwe.

 

http://thesmallworldfamily.com/2022/06/24/so-what-exactly-happened/
 

That link goes to a 30 minute read that describes what it took to get out of Zimbabwe to a level 1 trauma center.

 

Unfortunately, it did not get any easier after we got out, as she almost had to have her foot amputated at one point.

 

I agree that policies are policies,  I am just frustrated at the endless bad luck we have had.  Travel insurance has been a pain, as I have a claim for 60k that I submitted beginning of July that hasn’t even been reviewed yet.  I have 3 other outstanding claims that also have yet to be reviewed.  
 

On top of that, since we were in Zimbabwe,  there is minimal insurance on the person that ran her over.  So she now has a lifelong disability because someone was careless, and we get to pay for it for eternity in medical bills.  While travel insurance covered us from Zimbabwe to the hospital she got transferred to in the US it stops there and now we are paying the bills.  While we hit our maximum out of pocket for the year,  this is going to be a permanent damage from this event and permanent disability.

 

This cruise was a much needed break that we couldn’t get off the ground.  I realize no one here cares.   Just needed to vent.  
 

Long story short.  The policy is what it is.   Oh well.

 

 

Many here do care.  My heart and prayers go out to you and your wife.  I can’t imagine what you’ve been going through and will be going through.  My husband’s arm was amputated in 1975 and is still going through phantom pain.  Prayers coming your way.  🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼

[rimmit]

50 minutes ago, Airbear232 said:

I am truly sorry for your wife’s previous accident and hope she soon recuperates fully.  However, your words “as a physician” - did you not evaluate your wife’s condition prior to going on a long drive, spending a day at Disney and expecting to get on a cruise for a few days with no issues?  Royal’s present policy is well documented.  Any culpability lies with you, an intelligent rational being. 

At this point she is just doing PT so she can hopefully walk again and 6 months oral antibiotics for her bone infection.

 

Plastics and ID both signed off on the vacation as at this point she’s just on autopilot just doing PT 3 X a week.   If anything,  they have been encouraging her to get out and be more active after 3+ months of minimal activity.  The main thing is no pool, and no beach which we were fine with.

[Another_Critic]

1 hour ago, rimmit said:

I agree!   Maybe they will count when we left our house as the start of the trip so we got interrupted since we didn’t fly this time.  I am not sure if that will count,  but we did leave our house. 

Hopefully you put the date you left home as the start date.

[rimmit]

1 hour ago, Ret MP said:

I wasn't going to go there.  But, I agree.  It's mostly about a very tragic event of which I have the utmost sympathy for.  But, I was expecting a complaint about RCCL's service, food, whatever.  Not something that is upfront and spelled out. 

Sorry for the misleading title.  

[iuki]

2 hours ago, rimmit said:

Common things being common, covid is more prevalent than flu right now.

Not judging.  Just trying to understand.  Did you and your wife get your COVID-19 vaccinations and flu shots?  If not, is this why you thought her symptoms would turn out to be COVID?

[rimmit]

1 hour ago, PolicromaSol said:

True. Disney is a hell of a "busy" trip even under the quietest of times, while a cruise could be considered a pure "chill" trip. I know a recovered cancer patient that still has issues with energy levels years later. She could probably never handle something like an amusement park these days.

 

That said, personally I don't mind if someone boards with a minor illness, so long as they wash their hands.

 

To the OP, I suggest that if you try again, just pick the calmest cruise you can. Not a lot of activities or port excursions. Just relaxing and maybe a spa visit.

We were never gonna get off the boat.   We typically don’t anyway on short cruises, and given her immobility we definitely werent going to.

[rimmit]

8 minutes ago, iuki said:

Not judging.  Just trying to understand.  Did you and your wife get your COVID-19 vaccinations and flu shots?  If not, is this why you thought her symptoms would turn out to be COVID?

She has had 4 shots, covid once, asymptomatic on admission to hospital In Johannesburg after getting med evaced from Zimbabwe.  I have had 4 shots, covid once after a Galapagos expedition in Dec.

 

I got my flu shot already this year.  My wife has not.  Our area just got them in two weeks ago

 

Main reason is she looked like flu, but flu hasn’t really hit hard yet this year, and she could be the beginning of the wave.  She had a really bad headache and vomiting which had been a very common presentation for covid that I have seen lately.  My son presented with Covid in sept with h/an and emesis.  He has had 3 shots and covid in Dec as well.   She  also had muscle aches fever chills.   She is on chronic abx at this point for her osteo (bone infection) so bacterial infection is super unlikely but possible.  Other viruses like rhino, adeno, rsv wouldn’t be as severe typically and don’t come with vomiting typically.   That sums up my thought process.

Edited October 7, 2022 by rimmit

[iuki]

19 minutes ago, rimmit said:

She has had 4 shots, covid once, asymptomatic on admission to hospital In Johannesburg after getting med evaced from Zimbabwe.  I have had 4 shots, covid once after a Galapagos expedition in Dec.

 

I got my flu shot already this year.  My wife has not.  Our area just got them in two weeks ago

 

Main reason is she looked like flu, but flu hasn’t really hit hard yet this year, and she could be the beginning of the wave.  She had a really bad headache and vomiting which had been a very common presentation for covid that I have seen lately.  My son presented with Covid in sept with h/an and emesis.  He has had 3 shots and covid in Dec as well.   She  also had muscle aches fever chills.   She is on chronic abx at this point for her osteo (bone infection) so bacterial infection is super unlikely but possible.  Other viruses like rhino, adeno, rsv wouldn’t be as severe typically and don’t come with vomiting typically.   That sums up my thought process.

Thanks for responding without feeling offended.  I know doctors and medical professionals who haven’t taken the vaccinations.  Take care.

[RD64]

I have gone through this entire thread but I am confused. Are you blaming Royal for not accommodating you for something that is not their fault or problem? 
 

They are trying to run a business profitably, and if they have to bend the rules for every person that has an issue ( for which they should be responsible for) there won’t be much of a business left, and cruise fares will rise dramatically. We can’t have our cake and eat it too.

[rimmit]

55 minutes ago, iuki said:

Thanks for responding without feeling offended.  I know doctors and medical professionals who haven’t taken the vaccinations.  Take care.

No prob.  I’m sure that was way more detailed explanation than you cared to hear.  
 

My hospital has a 98 percent vax rate among physicians and advanced practitioners.  Only 70 percent among all staff.

[ocean sounds]

I hope she recovers from CoVid soon, and so sorry to hear about her accident.  Sounds like the family has been under much stress.  I’m sure you are all longing for a relaxing cruise.  
 

I’ve enjoyed reading  your family trip reports in the past.  Praying things turn around for you all soon. 
 

[Sunshine3601]

2 hours ago, rimmit said:

She has had 4 shots, covid once, asymptomatic on admission to hospital In Johannesburg after getting med evaced from Zimbabwe.  I have had 4 shots, covid once after a Galapagos expedition in Dec.

 

I got my flu shot already this year.  My wife has not.  Our area just got them in two weeks ago

 

Main reason is she looked like flu, but flu hasn’t really hit hard yet this year, and she could be the beginning of the wave.  She had a really bad headache and vomiting which had been a very common presentation for covid that I have seen lately.  My son presented with Covid in sept with h/an and emesis.  He has had 3 shots and covid in Dec as well.   She  also had muscle aches fever chills.   She is on chronic abx at this point for her osteo (bone infection) so bacterial infection is super unlikely but possible.  Other viruses like rhino, adeno, rsv wouldn’t be as severe typically and don’t come with vomiting typically.   That sums up my thought process.

Possible food poisoning and her body being weakened may explain some of her symptoms.  Lots of germs at Disney.   I hope she is feeling better now.

[rimmit]

1 hour ago, RD64 said:

I have gone through this entire thread but I am confused. Are you blaming Royal for not accommodating you for something that is not their fault or problem? 
 

They are trying to run a business profitably, and if they have to bend the rules for every person that has an issue ( for which they should be responsible for) there won’t be much of a business left, and cruise fares will rise dramatically. We can’t have our cake and eat it too.

Long story short, I was very frustrated for a number of reasons due to a variety of frustrations over the last 3.5 months.  I came on here ranting full well I would snapped back to reason, knowing how the forum would react to my rant snapping me back to reason.  Luckily (or unluckily) she ended up testing positive for covid on her third try so we should get an FCC.  
 

I did buy travel insurance,  but due to the closeness of the trip from when we made final payment as we booked last second, there was no trip cancellation option in the benefits.   I actually do have trip cancellation via my CC though so I could file that if I get denied by RCI.

 

I do find the paradigm shift on the forum quite interesting.    During precovid during rota or flu outbreaks,  there’d be a ton of people on here harping about all the people and kids sniffling and coughing at embarkation and how dare they go on the cruise with those symptoms.  I remember those forum posts vividly as I was particularly sensitive to them as I have to younger kids and everyone would always pick on kids for getting on ships with colds.  Post covid, everyone has now seemed to flip onto the other end of the spectrum and that it’s on the onus of the people to protect themselves from illness and it’s now perfectly ok to board the ship in whatever condition.  I am perfectly fine with the new paradigm shift, just thought it was interesting what a difference a pandemic makes.

[rimmit]

2 hours ago, nelblu said:

Mine covered cruise fare & cancellation fees.  I was given a future credit from United for the airfare.

I just read my terms.   It actually should cover this.  If for some reason RCI won’t accept the positive covid result, I’ll file with my CC.  I have two claims with them currently filed in July…. So I’m not holding my breath,  but they should pay.  I know its a max 2k per claim from my previous claims,  and thankfully that more than covers the cruise.

[rimmit]

38 minutes ago, ocean sounds said:

I hope she recovers from CoVid soon, and so sorry to hear about her accident.  Sounds like the family has been under much stress.  I’m sure you are all longing for a relaxing cruise.  
 

I’ve enjoyed reading  your family trip reports in the past.  Praying things turn around for you all soon. 
 

Thanks.  To say it’s been stressful is an understatement.  lol.

 

She’s spent 30+ days in the hospital, 16 of which were in zimbabwe/South Africa till we were able to get her repatriated home.  She’s had 13 surgeries, over 60 days of IV abx, and done hyperbaric oxygen to help with her wounds, all while we still have a 7 and 11 year old.   Thankfully the grandparents moved in for the last 3 months to assist as it would just be impossible to

manage everything otherwise.  All things considered she is alive and doing relatively well now.  She just has to get to walking again which will be at least another 3-4 months hopefully.

[Cruise5life]

Sorry to hear about your wife and all of this mess.   
But,  I just don’t think it was a good idea making a very long road trip from Kentucky to PC. And then going to Disney was a smart choice.    
so many things to do in KY to get some needed away time.    
And then blaming RC.    

[rimmit]

22 minutes ago, Cruise5life said:

Sorry to hear about your wife and all of this mess.   
But,  I just don’t think it was a good idea making a very long road trip from Kentucky to PC. And then going to Disney was a smart choice.    
so many things to do in KY to get some needed away time.    
And then blaming RC.    

There was actually a private matter that drew us to Florida at the last second. Hence why this was a last second booking.  Since we HAD to come down for  something else and drive 13 hours,  we decided to go ahead and do Disney for a day and board a cruise ship to try and destress from some of the other issues.  It was not in our original plans for this week.  We typically do not book cruises 3 days before they leave, esp when we have to drive from KY, that’s just not a reasonable thing to do from KY.

 

I am not blaming RCI for her getting sick, and ultimately we have actually in the last several hours realized we have travel cancellation on our CC and since she’s positive RCI should give us a FCC so no ultimate harm done.   

If you read the thread I acknowledge my wrongness.   Things just came boiling over due to many factors,  part of which RCI basically frauding us multiple times in our FCC issuing and redemptions.  I feel like I’m dealing with an insurance company in that the “errors” they make are conveniently always in their favor.  I asked my TA if this is a chronic problem with RCI and she says they are the worst company by far with FCCs.  Part of me almost wants to investigate and see if it’s a chronic enough problem to see if there is a class action brewing.   It’s just hard to believe a company could so conveniently tell me my FCCs were either already used (especially when they have explicitly not allowed them to use them with the KSF offer), or had grossly incorrect amounts, and also incorrectly told me I would get an FCC for my port fees and taxes, and never give me one, wait for me to complain, then tell me I should have been issued a refund for the port fees months ago.  It’s just a chronic issue with them and my TA says I’m not the only one.

 

Me and my TA fought tooth and nail to get the FCCs applied to this sailing and finally succeeded and then we couldn’t make it.  She spent no less than 6 hours dealing with RCI over the FCCs.  She states FCCs from RCI severely hinder he workflow as many of her clients have issues and she can only deal with one FCC problem at a time when she calls.

 

Again, I was wrong to vent in the policy,  but there was some seriously pent up anger with RCI already brewing, and some other personal things going on.

Edited October 8, 2022 by rimmit

[DingoMom]

Dear Rimmit,

Wow. Just Wow. I am so sorry for all you and (especially) your wife have been through. I can only imagine your frustration, helplessness, and more frustration. And once you said you simply needed to rant, I don’t understand the judgmental comments. You know it isn’t Royal’s fault, and yet it is clearly frustrating. I feel for you. I have learned some things 

from this thread (MediJet Assist and CC insurance), so I am glad you posted. However, I don’t think the judgmental comments are at all helpful. Feel free to rant! Sending you my very best wishes!

[rimmit]

4 hours ago, LadyZolt said:

To the OP:  I am so sorry for you and your wife and all that you went through with this tragic event and I am so glad that she is reaching the point where she is able to venture out a bit.  I hope she can rest and that one day she will be able to travel whenever she wants.

 

I read the OP's link about what happened, and I would recommend that people going on overseas trips look into medevac insurance, such as Medjet Assist.  Many travel insurance policies are very limited in the kind of medevac that they will cover.  Medjet Assist will take you from anywhere in the world back to your own hospital in the town where you live as soon as you are stable enough to make the trip.  Had the OP had Medjet Assist, his wife would have been stabilized in the first hospital and they would have flown her directly home without the OP having to pay anything at all or fight with people about cash / credit cards, etc.  I know it's too late for OP,  but for the rest of us, we can learn from their experience and not have to endure that same stressful situation of wondering how to arrange a medical transport from a facility that cannot handle the patient's needs. 

 

My husband and I are booked on the upcoming Royal Caribbean "Ultimate World Cruise" and have a policy with Medjet Assist in addition to a travel insurance policy.  We hope we don't need to use either one, but the price we paid for them gives us peace of mind.  

Yes.  After that I have definitely gotten many recommendations for medjet.

 

As you read our biggest issue was the local evac companies would not take a guarantee of payment from the travel insurance companies.  When we got to Johannesburg,  after I made the initial 38000USD payment, the next day the travel insurance company was able to send a guarantee of payment, and I never made a single payment after that. 
 

I question if medjet would have flown her straight home though.  Most likely they would have flown her to Joburg.  I know Netcare Milpark was listed as a destination under medjet.  I say I doubt they would have flown us home as that is at minimum a 15 hour flight back to the US in a 787/A350/777.    I don’t think those medjet as have that range without multiple stops.  She was in no condition to travel that far at the time and needed to get stabilized and have her wounds debrided.  Had she gone straight home she would almost assuredly have lost her foot or maybe gone septic and died or a ton of other complications.

 

We did have a jet option home, but she was stable enough that she could “tolerate” biz class after 2 weeks to just get home and then an air ambulance to get home domestically.   I use the word tolerate loosely, but since I am a physician I could be her medical escort and administer any meds.  TBH, at that point I preferred biz class as at least there was some comfort and service.  The idea of a 20+ hour trip in a small med evac jet was not super appealing.   It would have also been another couple days for them to organize the evac jet.  Biz class was faster to get.  We were also running out of days our insurance was to cover (7 days after the original end date of our trip) so the travel insurance company was trying to just get us home at that point before our insurance ran out.
 

Next big trip we take we will definitely get it though.  In an emergency,  the last thing you need to be doing is trying to wire money because they don’t take a CC just to get evacuated, and dealing with all the payment issues we went through.

Edited October 8, 2022 by rimmit

[LadyZolt]

8 minutes ago, rimmit said:

 

I question if medjet would have flown her straight home though.  Most likely they would have flown her to Joburg.  I know Netcare Milpark was listed as a destination under medjet.  I say I doubt they would have flown us home as that is at minimum a 15 hour flight back to the US in a 787/A350/777.    I don’t think those medjet as have that range without multiple stops.  She was in no condition to travel that far at the time and needed to get stabilized and have her wounds debrided.  Had she gone straight home she would almost assuredly have lost her foot or maybe gone septic and died or a ton of other complications.

 

 

Naturally, if she would have been worse off to fly home, they wouldn't fly her home.  They would assess her and take her to the proper facility and once she was able to travel, they'd bring her home.  You can read all their FAQ's at their website.  My point was more that having Medjet would have removed the stress you faced of being told you had to pay cash and/or use a credit card, etc., or they weren't going to take her to where she needed to be.  I can only imagine how terrible those moments were!  

 

You were able to make the $38,000 payment -- many people would not be able to do that for a variety of reasons.  Your story is a wake-up call about how quickly things can go wrong.  It is a lesson to us all to prepare for situations that we don't ever want to even think about.  I thank you for sharing it and I wish you and your wife the best.  

[rimmit]

30 minutes ago, LadyZolt said:

Naturally, if she would have been worse off to fly home, they wouldn't fly her home.  They would assess her and take her to the proper facility and once she was able to travel, they'd bring her home.  You can read all their FAQ's at their website.  My point was more that having Medjet would have removed the stress you faced of being told you had to pay cash and/or use a credit card, etc., or they weren't going to take her to where she needed to be.  I can only imagine how terrible those moments were!  

 

You were able to make the $38,000 payment -- many people would not be able to do that for a variety of reasons.  Your story is a wake-up call about how quickly things can go wrong.  It is a lesson to us all to prepare for situations that we don't ever want to even think about.  I thank you for sharing it and I wish you and your wife the best.  

I ALWAYS harp on people who travel without any travel insurance, especially at least the minimum medical travel.  There have been many times I just get medical and not comprehensive if the trip isn’t too expensive, and a cancellation wouldn’t be brutal.  After telling people what happened,  it’s shocking to me how many people I know don’t even know what travel insurance is.  I have friends even after this that do some more exotic travel that don’t buy insurance, and I tell them they are playing with fire if anything ever goes wrong.  We’ve traveled pretty extensively and felt at this point we’ve encountered the vast majority of travel snafus over the years.  Boy was this a wake up call.  Felt like I was living out a hallmark or lifetime movie.

 

Thank you for the empathy.   Yes those 24 hours I was trying to get her out of Zimbabwe were without the most stressful of my life.   You have a false sense of security traveling with travel insurance, a large credit line and available cash in a bank account thinking you can pay for almost anything if need be, especially in cash based medical systems where care is much more affordable.  Unfortunately in a cash based healthcare system that credit line doesn’t mean a hill of beans if they will only take a wire transfer and it’s a holiday weekend in the US and all the banks are closed… 

 

I wish you all the best on the world cruise.  We hope to do one day when we are retired…. With a medjet package in tow.

 

On a random note,  to give you an idea of the sad state of Zimbabwe’s insurance situation is,  the driver who ran her over did amazingly have car insurance, albeit the bare minimum for him to have his car on the road.   We obviously maxed out the claim for 217,000 RTG, which is the current currency Zim uses other than the USD as their currency was too unstable which converts to a monstrous $600 USD.  They are unable to send me a check or wire transfer for reasons I don’t understand.  The banking system in Zim is so messed up, my only option is to get this transferred to the driver who ran her over and have them send me the money. For reasons, again I dont understand there is a real problem getting rtgs exhanged to USD.  At this point I told the driver (who I have contact with regularly) when they deposit it to just withdraw the money however they can and send it to me via mail, as he stated again for reasons I don’t understand, but they cannot issue a cashier check.

 

Now I know most of you reading this are thinking the driver will just walk away with the money.  However,  I basically hold his life in my hand.  We did not prosecute him nor are we suing him at this time (as there is no point.  I’d be trying to squeeze water from a rock as Zimbabwe is just sooo poor), so if he doesn’t do it,  we have the right to throw him in jail or sue him and we’d win.  The cops want us to press charges,  but we just don’t see the point.  Why ruin a man’s life for nothing.  They were so concerned about running my wife over, they drove from victoria falls to Cape Town thinking she was there (we were trying to get there but she never got there and stayed in Joburg instead) and then drive to Joburg and then back to vic falls just so they could visit her.   That is a monstrous 60 hours of driving just to see my wife after she was evacuated, so I do have some basic faith in them to get us the $600 dollars.

Edited October 8, 2022 by rimmit

[iuki]

1 hour ago, Cruise5life said:

Sorry to hear about your wife and all of this mess.   
But,  I just don’t think it was a good idea making a very long road trip from Kentucky to PC. And then going to Disney was a smart choice.    
so many things to do in KY to get some needed away time.    
And then blaming RC.    

Sounds a little harsh.  He didn’t say it was RCI’s fault.

[bonsai3s]

Rimmit...just wanted to wish you and your wife the best...kapuso.

[ReneeFLL]

@rimmit So very sorry this has happened to you, your wife and family. I have read this thread and your whole story. I can not begin to imagine the angst, frustration and the hopelessness you must have felt at times going thru this horrible time. I would have absolutely have lost it. I’m glad you had the medical expertise that helped you thru this as there seems to have been so little of it along with the lack of medical supplies/facilities in the beginning. Happy to hear your wife is on the mend albeit still a long road ahead of her. As for the ranting, rant away. As far as I’m concerned you deserve to be able to. I’m sure some people have learned from this post as I know I have. Wishing your wife a speedy recovery and the best for your family.