Rare BlerkOne Posted April 10, 2023 #26 Share Posted April 10, 2023 As long as people, groups, travel agents, whatever book them in advance, keep raising the price. The ship can always offer them for less if not sold out. Sort of what they do with Loft 19 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theosprey247 Posted April 10, 2023 #27 Share Posted April 10, 2023 You can always downgrade to a lowly cabana like us peasants. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csm5986142 Posted April 10, 2023 #28 Share Posted April 10, 2023 We will be in HMC in about 2 weeks and all the cabanas/villas sold out a while ago. I just noticed even the private oasis at $2,000 is sold out, so people don't seem to mind paying the price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare craig01020 Posted April 10, 2023 #29 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 hours ago, staceyglow said: Why shouldn't Carnival have the right to charge any amount they want? It's not a charity. They are in business to make money. Spoken like a shareholder...or just a sycophant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted April 11, 2023 #30 Share Posted April 11, 2023 7 hours ago, PrincessArlena'sDad said: INow, for other optional items, like beach umbrellas, floating mats, then, yes, maximizing revenue could lead to decreased customer satisfaction, which, in the long run, less revenue. Happy customers tend to spend more. Annoyed customers spend less. Supply and demand pricing makes a lot more money than internet opinions. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 11, 2023 #31 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Price elasticity plays a role and I'm sure Carnival is quite aware of it and how to maximize profit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PrincessArlena'sDad Posted April 11, 2023 #32 Share Posted April 11, 2023 38 minutes ago, Joebucks said: Supply and demand pricing makes a lot more money than internet opinions. Supply and demand pricing plus consumer psychology makes the most money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgwscruiser Posted April 11, 2023 #33 Share Posted April 11, 2023 10 hours ago, jcearth said: I have gotten villas 4 or 5 times in the past. They were a great investment at $499 split a few ways, and still pretty good at $599. I balked at $649 but still went ahead and rented (had others pitch in, so still thought value was ok). $999 would be a deal breaker for me, however. Here is my question - how do you define maximizing revenue? Even if the company still sold all of the Villas and Cabanas and the new rate, how many customers are alienated by the inflated pricing? What value does Carnival place on repeat business? What value do they place on the customer experience? I would argue that raising prices on optional items could do way more harm than good, by leading to a reduction in repeat business. I, for one, would take my vacation dollars elsewhere if I didn't feel that I was getting enough value for my money. Just my opinion. If the cabanas are still selling out at $999. How are the losing money. Carnival is tasked with making money for their share holders. That’s what the free market is all about. How many cruise corporations are based in a non free market economy. I would never pay for a cabana at the original price years ago but I happy for those people that bought them years ago. Now that the price has escalated, the people that purchased the before have reached the conclusion that the new price is too high. That’s were I was at the the beginning but I did not begrudge anyone that purchased the cabana then, and the people that complain now should not be upset that the price is too high now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazil65 Posted April 11, 2023 #34 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) the private oasis at $2,000 is sold out, so people don't seem to mind paying the price. With the private oasis villa, its larger and can accommodate more people so the price is split between groups/families etc. The villa was always the one that seem to make more sense for a larger group of people even at the price point. We have had the HMC villa/cabanas several times over the years but not since restart. At this point with 2 cruises later this year, dont see us spending that kind money for a few hours on a beach (and still need to use the public restroom). If people are willing to pay then why wouldn't CCL do it? We would rather spend the money to get better cabin for the 7 days onboard the ship, to each their own. Edited April 11, 2023 by Drazil65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkbiiii Posted April 11, 2023 #35 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I think this is fake, no one is actually paying this outrageous price. These are Casino Comps, for biggest whales! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PrincessArlena'sDad Posted April 11, 2023 #36 Share Posted April 11, 2023 So the Mahogany Bay cabana: I booked that in Nov for $375 (cruise is in Aug). I actually got the last one. It is now listed at $499. Selling out 9 months prior to the cruise is a big hint that it was underpriced, I guess. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorrieCJ Posted April 11, 2023 #37 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I'm really struggling. We have been to HMC many times and always gotten a cabana, never for more than $299 (this was all pre-COVID). Going on the Legend in August and hubby has been telling me to book the cabana already but I was balking at the $499 price. Now today I looked and see not only is it now $699, but it's sold out for my cruise. Don't know whether to laugh or cry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruizinisthebest Posted April 11, 2023 #38 Share Posted April 11, 2023 These price increases without a single additional perk is insane. Although Carnival knows people will rent them regardless. Not me. And it's not fake. The prices are already showing online. I have cruises booked that stop at HMC and Amber Cove. 🤬 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missholly24 Posted April 11, 2023 Author #39 Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/10/2023 at 12:03 PM, jcearth said: I have gotten villas 4 or 5 times in the past. They were a great investment at $499 split a few ways, and still pretty good at $599. I balked at $649 but still went ahead and rented (had others pitch in, so still thought value was ok). $999 would be a deal breaker for me, however. Here is my question - how do you define maximizing revenue? Even if the company still sold all of the Villas and Cabanas and the new rate, how many customers are alienated by the inflated pricing? What value does Carnival place on repeat business? What value do they place on the customer experience? I would argue that raising prices on optional items could do way more harm than good, by leading to a reduction in repeat business. I, for one, would take my vacation dollars elsewhere if I didn't feel that I was getting enough value for my money. Just my opinion. I completely agree!! I know they didn’t used to always sell out as well. We had an empty one next to us one time. Time will tell what happens. Its just such outrageous increase it shocked me (and annoyed me.) For example it could be $649 and first come first serve. Or a lottery. (Still a crazy amt for a Villa but doable) Not everything in the world of business is about maximum profit. The cruises mostly sell out too. Does that mean they should jack those prices way up? Its faulty thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missholly24 Posted April 11, 2023 Author #40 Share Posted April 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, CorrieCJ said: I'm really struggling. We have been to HMC many times and always gotten a cabana, never for more than $299 (this was all pre-COVID). Going on the Legend in August and hubby has been telling me to book the cabana already but I was balking at the $499 price. Now today I looked and see not only is it now $699, but it's sold out for my cruise. Don't know whether to laugh or cry. Its crazy. Im wondering if this is some crazy experiment. 😫😫 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorrieCJ Posted April 11, 2023 #41 Share Posted April 11, 2023 I'm also a little annoyed that there was no warning. With the price increases for onboard wifi and/or Cheers program, there were months of warning to book before prices go up. This only got on my radar because I saw it on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MistyRo76 Posted April 11, 2023 #42 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Thankfully I booked a cabana for our October cruise to HMC last week when it was $499. It is now showing $699 and sold out! As for the cost - the cabanas do accommodate six people, if you can, share the cost with another couple or family. Also, before I booked our cabana, I purchased $500 in discounted Carnival gift cards through AARP saving us 10% or $50 on the total cost. It's not a ton, but every bit helps. We've never booked a cabana before and likely won't again if the prices remain at $700 for the day. But looking forward to enjoying it on this next cruise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare PrincessArlena'sDad Posted April 11, 2023 #43 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Last time we booked a HMC cabana was 2018. It was $370 I think. We considered doing the villa, but decided $499 was too much. Wife sunburns really easily, and umbrellas/clamshells don't offer enough protection for a full day at the beach. She'll still burn. Not sure we'd pay $700 either, so we'd have to think really hard about booking an itinerary with HMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObstructedView2 Posted April 11, 2023 #44 Share Posted April 11, 2023 On 4/9/2023 at 9:08 PM, missholly24 said: Please tell me thats a typo? 10 minutes ago, missholly24 said: Its crazy. Im wondering if this is some crazy experiment. Hi @missholly24🙂 $999 is certainly a HUGE price increase. And look at the last paragraph in the screen-shot below at the bottom. Groups larger than 8 there is an extra per-person surcharge. WOW....😲 🍹 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted April 11, 2023 #45 Share Posted April 11, 2023 Apparently HAL hasn't gotten the memo and villas are $599. If you want to spend more you can always add a butler package. They only charge $46pp for over the limit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staceyglow Posted April 11, 2023 #46 Share Posted April 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, missholly24 said: Not everything in the world of business is about maximum profit. The cruises mostly sell out too. Does that mean they should jack those prices way up? Absolutely. And everything in the world of business is indeed about maximum ethical/legal profit, especially if you are talking about publicly traded companies. My guess is that the people who hold Carnival stock that has tanked since they bought it think Carnival should charge as much as they can get for cabanas and villas and cruises. Edited April 11, 2023 by staceyglow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruizinisthebest Posted April 11, 2023 #47 Share Posted April 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, staceyglow said: Absolutely. And everything in the world of business is indeed about maximum ethical/legal profit, especially if you are talking about publicly traded companies. My guess is that the people who hold Carnival stock that has tanked since they bought it think Carnival should charge as much as they can get for cabanas and villas and cruises. Stockholder here and no I don't think that at all. If you're going to raise prices this drastically this quick after another price increase then add value to the product. There's nothing more to these cabanas than before. And I doubt the employees doing all of the work see a dime. Carnival can't figure out how to use the drink package at these private islands but though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruizinisthebest Posted April 11, 2023 #48 Share Posted April 11, 2023 The clamshells are also $10 more. The same ones you rent way ahead of time but then get there and they are all gone. Perhaps they should fix the pile of broken ones. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staceyglow Posted April 11, 2023 #49 Share Posted April 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, cruizinisthebest said: Stockholder here and no I don't think that at all. If you're going to raise prices this drastically this quick after another price increase then add value to the product. There's nothing more to these cabanas than before. And I doubt the employees doing all of the work see a dime. Carnival can't figure out how to use the drink package at these private islands but though. I am guessing you are in the minority, especially compared to pension funds and other investment groups that own tens of thousands of shares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted April 11, 2023 #50 Share Posted April 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, staceyglow said: I am guessing you are in the minority, especially compared to pension funds and other investment groups that own tens of thousands of shares. If my pension fund owns $CCL then it explains why they can't afford to give COL adjustments to retirees... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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