casino comps dissapointment

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

How about we all agree that there are multiple (onboard and "offboard") factors utilized by the casino to determine future offers.

 

There - that was easy... LOL

 

Tom

[hard_eight]

And how in the hell do they know what my credit limit is on my card?

[1MKS1128]

I was told by a number of people that your comps are based over a one year period that was was based on the number of cruises you took and your average play. Anybody else hear this ? There is alot of bad info out there.

[Colorado Beach Bum]

34 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

How about we all agree that there are multiple (onboard and "offboard") factors utilized by the casino to determine future offers.

 

Agree

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, Colorado Beach Bum said:

I don’t doubt that ongoing offers are based on some algorithm of various data points.  But to completely dismiss that points earned on previous cruises have no impact on future offers is not true.  We and many others on here have stated many times that the more points we earn the better the offers.  That can’t be dismissed just like I can’t dismiss that other data points go into the equation.  

One point showing you played is sufficient.  If you crack out 50,000 point, you might get a second data point but more likely how your bill was settled is the main data point.  

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

31 minutes ago, hard_eight said:

And how in the hell do they know what my credit limit is on my card?

 

[AllenF]

10 hours ago, StephPS79 said:

 

Vegas doesn't have a cruise ship.

Actually Vegas does not have an Ocean kind like a cruise ship does have las Vegas show or large casino. You say tomato I say 🍅 

Edited August 17, 2023 by AllenF

[john91498]

7 hours ago, hard_eight said:

And how in the hell do they know what my credit limit is on my card?

 

Your credit card company sold your information.

 

I think California is the only state that prohibits that.

[Elaine5715]

8 hours ago, hard_eight said:

And how in the hell do they know what my credit limit is on my card?

If you have a Carnival credit card, they know.  Data mining companies have a shipload of information on all credit cards including average credit limits, average credit available, who get the offers, who applies, what the credit card companies target, incomes, etc.  There is a difference between Chase Sapphire  Preferred card holder and a Chime Credit Builder card holder.  

[Eli_6]

On 8/17/2023 at 7:58 AM, Elaine5715 said:

If it is a Carnival credit card, most likely.  Using a high limit business card is also catnip to the marketing bots.  If they know you have access to $100,000 credit, they are hoping you will use it vs someone with a $5000 limit.  Requesting an onboard credit line and using it also gets their attention.  Casinos aren't that fond of guests who follow a budget with a hard stop when they reach their daily limit.  

Thank you for posting this.  This is good to know.

[Eli_6]

10 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

If you have a Carnival credit card, they know.  Data mining companies have a shipload of information on all credit cards including average credit limits, average credit available, who get the offers, who applies, what the credit card companies target, incomes, etc.  There is a difference between Chase Sapphire  Preferred card holder and a Chime Credit Builder card holder.  

So are you talking about what card you put on file with Carnival?   What card is best? Amex platinum? Amex platinum business?  Chase sapphire preferred?  Capital one venture X?  What is considered the best?  One without a limit like the Amex?

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

8 minutes ago, Eli_6 said:

So are you talking about what card you put on file with Carnival?   What card is best? Amex platinum? Amex platinum business?  Chase sapphire preferred?  Capital one venture X?  What is considered the best?  One without a limit like the Amex?

 

Use the RESERVE card instead of the PREFERRED and you'll get free coffee at the buffet.  🙂  😉

 

Tom

[Elaine5715]

Just now, Eli_6 said:

So are you talking about what card you put on file with Carnival?   What card is best? Amex platinum? Amex platinum business?  Chase sapphire preferred?  Capital one venture X?  What is considered the best?  One without a limit like the Amex?

Certainly.  Casinos know that when gamblers have access to large amounts of credit (play now, pain later), they will use it.  One of the reasons you can charge in the slots up to $5000 per day to your room without a fee, even higher for those on Premier/Elite/Ultra offers, it that people do.  If you are a casino marketing dept, who you want to tempt onboard with a free room, someone who can charge $5,000 max or $50,000?  Unlike land casinos, the player isn't skipping to a new casino if they are have a run of bad luck

[Eli_6]

4 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

Use the RESERVE card instead of the PREFERRED and you'll get free coffee at the buffet.  🙂  😉

 

Tom

That made me LOL.

 

However, the fact that you knew the difference makes me wonder if you are a fellow points hacker.  I only recently got heavily into this and I feel like a new world has been opened up to me. 

[Eli_6]

7 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Certainly.  Casinos know that when gamblers have access to large amounts of credit (play now, pain later), they will use it.  One of the reasons you can charge in the slots up to $5000 per day to your room without a fee, even higher for those on Premier/Elite/Ultra offers, it that people do.  If you are a casino marketing dept, who you want to tempt onboard with a free room, someone who can charge $5,000 max or $50,000?  Unlike land casinos, the player isn't skipping to a new casino if they are have a run of bad luck

Yeah, we don't really have the problem of running up debt or gambling too much because I actually get anxiety when I start losing too much and then it isn't fun for me anymore.  I am pretty frugal.  Really, I just want discounts on cruises.  I just can't figure out how to make that happen...and I think Carnival seems to have my number because they don't send me casino offers.  Even my husband has gotten a few and my Mom gets them...but not me. 

[wemjam]

11 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

If you have a Carnival credit card, they know.  Data mining companies have a shipload of information on all credit cards including average credit limits, average credit available, who get the offers, who applies, what the credit card companies target, incomes, etc.  There is a difference between Chase Sapphire  Preferred card holder and a Chime Credit Builder card holder.  

Yea I see what you did there LOL! 😁

 

To this whole card type thing though I don't know if that really pans out in all this.  All our cards have high limits on them... like walk in a buy a brand new car if you wanted to limits.

 

We use one for our "everyday" carry card and when we travel so it is on our account.  Never seems to have helped us much lol.

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

9 minutes ago, Eli_6 said:

That made me LOL.

 

However, the fact that you knew the difference makes me wonder if you are a fellow points hacker.  I only recently got heavily into this and I feel like a new world has been opened up to me. 

 

It's "fun" - picked up the Reserve early last year (I used to ignore points). Now, if I'm not getting 2 or 3% cash back I feel like I'm missing out. With the intro bonus offered, I'm nearing $4,000 cash back so far. Where I really liked "the game" was staying in a top tier suite on the Reflection for a couple of weeks - being in that category meant that you get all your casino chip purchases at a 0% fee. So, I'd purchase at least a couple grand of chips each day (and pocket $60 in cash back on the card, since it all goes down as "travel"). Now, I didn't play all that - and brought home most of it in cash!  On Carnival, no dice - it's a 3% service charge for chip purchases - so it's a wash (basically getting the chips at NC).

 

I just joined COSTCO and had to get their credit card for the 4% back (annual store credit basically) on gas!

 

Tom

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

17 minutes ago, wemjam said:

Yea I see what you did there LOL! 😁

 

To this whole card type thing though I don't know if that really pans out in all this.  All our cards have high limits on them... like walk in a buy a brand new car if you wanted to limits.

...

 

I have a couple of "car" cards - but not quite to the level I'd need for a Yukon Denali or Escalade!

 

Tom

[Elaine5715]

30 minutes ago, Eli_6 said:

Yeah, we don't really have the problem of running up debt or gambling too much because I actually get anxiety when I start losing too much and then it isn't fun for me anymore.  I am pretty frugal.  Really, I just want discounts on cruises.  I just can't figure out how to make that happen...and I think Carnival seems to have my number because they don't send me casino offers.  Even my husband has gotten a few and my Mom gets them...but not me. 

Then the bots aren't finding you...be sure to connect the email you use with Carnival to all the potential data sites so they know it is you.  You can also contact Ocean Players Club https://oceanplayersclub.com/contact/general/  Go here 

[wemjam]

5 minutes ago, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

I have a couple of "car" cards - but not quite to the level I'd need for a Yukon Denali or Escalade!

 

Tom

Hey Tom, what is that you guys were drinking in your profile pick... looks yummy and may want to try it.  Girl loves her some chocolate!

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

2 minutes ago, wemjam said:

Hey Tom, what is that you guys were drinking in your profile pick... looks yummy and may want to try it.  Girl loves her some chocolate!

 

Those were our pre-dinner desserts - Deal Closer's at the Alchemy Bar. It would seem that they are made differently on every ship. 🙂 

 

 

Tom

[wemjam]

21 hours ago, 1MKS1128 said:

I was told by a number of people that your comps are based over a one year period that was was based on the number of cruises you took and your average play. Anybody else hear this ? There is alot of bad info out there.

I assure you that isn't it.  I cruise 4-5 times a year and usually rack up somewhere around 200-400 points only.  I finally just got a bottom of the barrel cruise offer.

 

My dad cruises once a year... and doesn't gamble anymore than I do on that one cruise.  He gets better offers (like free inside rooms)

Edited August 18, 2023 by wemjam

[Colorado Beach Bum]

5 hours ago, wemjam said:

I assure you that isn't it.  I cruise 4-5 times a year and usually rack up somewhere around 200-400 points only.  I finally just got a bottom of the barrel cruise offer.

 

My dad cruises once a year... and doesn't gamble anymore than I do on that one cruise.  He gets better offers (like free inside rooms)

Both are very low total points for the week.  I used to play low average bet table games and earned about the points you described and got no good offers.  Wife always did as she played slots on roughly same budget as me.  I began upping my table bets and played more slots and as my points increased, so did my offers.  

[Petersonfcu]

On 8/18/2023 at 7:38 AM, Tom-n-Cheryl said:

 

. So, I'd purchase at least a couple grand of chips each day (and pocket $60 in cash back on the card, since it all goes down as "travel"). Now, I didn't play all that - and brought home most of it in cash!  On Carnival, no dice - it's a 3% service charge for chip purchases - so it's a wash (basically getting the chips at NC).

 

I just joined COSTCO and had to get their credit card for the 4% back (annual store credit basically) on gas!

 

Tom

Tom

 

You probably already know this, but there is no need to pay that 3% Carnival fee for table chips.  Simply go to a slot machine, load something (say $1k+) from your sail and sign, spin the slot machine once,  go to the cage to pull out your $1k+ in cash, and then take the $1k+ to the table to buy your chips.  No 3% fee.

 

Also, if you use your credit card to buy carnival gift cards at a 10% discount on AARP, then load the gift cards to your sail and sign, you get both the CC points and the 10% discount on everything you spend on board.  Yeah, that includes those table chips.  Why pay carnival 3% for table chips when they will sell them to you at a discount? 

Edited August 20, 2023 by Petersonfcu

[Tom-n-Cheryl]

17 hours ago, Petersonfcu said:

Tom

 

You probably already know this, but there is no need to pay that 3% Carnival fee for table chips.  Simply go to a slot machine, load something (say $1k+) from your sail and sign, spin the slot machine once,  go to the cage to pull out your $1k+ in cash, and then take the $1k+ to the table to buy your chips.  No 3% fee.

 

Also, if you use your credit card to buy carnival gift cards at a 10% discount on AARP, then load the gift cards to your sail and sign, you get both the CC points and the 10% discount on everything you spend on board.  Yeah, that includes those table chips.  Why pay carnival 3% for table chips when they will sell them to you at a discount? 

 

Thanks for that slot/hack reminder.

 

Yep, I've purchased a pile of AARP cards but, thus far, I've only used them for cruise fares and pre-purchasing dining/internet/etc.

 

Tom