Costa Concordia SINKING

[mferris77]

The ship appears to have hit the rocks on the Port side and listed that way initially but it capsized on the Starboard side.

 

Is that impression correct and if so, why would that happen?:confused:

 

It has been speculated that as the ship took on water on the port side, they may have flooded part of the starboard side to compensate and keep the ship upright. For whatever reason too much was taken on in the starboard side, possibly due to power loss (valves locked in an open position, for example). Or maybe it's just that the water that was taken on in the port side shifted to the starboard side. I know they have flood doors to prevent water flow into different parts of the ship, but not sure if they have them down the center of the ship to prevent water flow from one side to the other. (Or for that matter, if the doors were ever closed at all.)

 

I'm sure we'll find out in the days/weeks ahead exactly what happened.

[Globetotter]

Again from Sky News Italy: maybe the ship hit a first rock, uncharted, got out of route and hit the second reef. They can't say at the moment if there's another opening on the other side of the keel because the ship is laying on it.

[OBX-Cruisers]

Thanks..........guess we will have to wait

[indiana123]

So sad and tragic.

 

We were recently on a well known P and O vessel. Muster was before sailing.

 

I just hope that the people who attended muster, then sat down to read and do their crosswords read this.

 

I wanted to speak to a couple of them and say that by doing so they were not only endangering their own life, but ours too, as perhaps they would not know what to do in an emergency. I had never been on a cruise before and did not speak out.. wish I had done, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Perhaps crew will be more insistent in future.

[Globetotter]

50 to 70 people missing BUT probably the majority are safe somewhere on the island, being rescued by someone and having not reported where they are. That was the case of 4 US citizens that jumped off the ship, swam to the coast and rescued by someone who took them to a hotel.

Divers will continue to search until there's light and resume searching tomorrow at dawn, while searching the surface will continue.

[outerspaceguy]

And flight hours are related to miles how?

 

I'd assume the average passenger plane flies at (something like) 400 miles per hour, and then do the math.

[airphoto]

These photos are unreal, it looks like a rock (read boulder) is still lodged in its side.

 

http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/01/14/foto/uno_squarcio_di_70_metri-28082517/1/

[Aplmac]

Very good, big bright photos can now be found here

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16560050

[OBX-Cruisers]

You can see this often on most cruises these days where the muster has been relegated to lounges, restaurants and hallway alcoves.

 

Knowing WHERE your lifeboat is would be useful information it seems as in musters of the past where you met at the spot you should head to if there are no other instructions.

 

Too many people use muster drills to chat and do dumb things other than listening and learning any new procedures or equipment details. Sad but true until the information is needed and then they complain "no one instructed us what to do or where to go"..........classic.

 

So sad and tragic.

 

We were recently on a well known P and O vessel. Muster was before sailing.

 

I just hope that the people who attended muster, then sat down to read and do their crosswords read this.

 

I wanted to speak to a couple of them and say that by doing so they were not only endangering their own life, but ours too, as perhaps they would not know what to do in an emergency. I had never been on a cruise before and did not speak out.. wish I had done, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Perhaps crew will be more insistent in future.

[ma_t_gus]

This is Trev here, I finally managed to convince my girlfriend to come on a cruise (she's not fond of boats and has a mild fear of the ocean).

 

With news breaking of a ship the size of ours (the ruby princess) running aground and basically sinking, she'll be freaking out and not wanting to go now. Any soothing words of advice from you cruising pros out there that I can use here>>??:confused:

 

 

 

 

These events are one of those things that just happens. Rarely happens but they do. Maybe preventable? We'll find out in a few weeks. I would rather be in a sinking ship than in a plane that's about to go down. When you go with her, just remind her every morning where to meet up if there was an emergency. On the first day, familiarize yourselves with the ship. Make sure you know where the vests are in case of full darkness in the room and pay attention to the muster drill. That should ease the anxiety a little bit.

 

Now the fun part, you don't have to cook, you don't have to do dishes, most ship have clubs for dancing until early morning, they have casinos, she can wear her favorite dresses on formal nights, free 24hr room service, different countries that you will be visiting, sun deck for tanning, etc...

[CruiseAdict218]

Very good, big bright photos can now be found here

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16560050

 

From the point-of-view of the fourth pic they can practally touch her, they are so close

[G.M.T.]

Is there any chance to rescue/salvage the ship or does it sink definitely?

The ship will first have its fuel tanks pumped out. the hole(s) will be patched and with the help of bouyancey aids she will be righted and refloated. The Dutch have the most experinced salvage companies:

 

http://www.smit.com/

 

Then the insurers and classification agencies (LLoyds/RINI) will carry out a survey, upon which a decision will be made either to renovate the ship or scrap it.

 

Ron

[Globetotter]

They are real! The rock has been dragged along by the ship...

[MR NW GUY]

It does seem a little odd that the ship is keeled over on its Starboard side when the hole of around 50 metres is on the Port side! it is possible that there are 2 holes below the waterline!

 

Reports still have those who died at 3 and 50 missing! but that is understandable until they can account for everyone who was taken off the ship.

This may have been addressed, but I read another thread that suggested:

The ship did hit reef on her port side. To compensate the water entering the port side, they fooded the starbord chamber and over compensated. Then, full steam ahead to get as close to shore as possible. (Kind of makes sense)

[Red Mini Stapler]

Too many people use muster drills to chat and do dumb things other than listening and learning any new procedures or equipment details. Sad but true until the information is needed and then they complain "no one instructed us what to do or where to go"..........classic.

 

and those are the people usually push other people out of the way to get on the life boat

[Linda VH]

It has been reported that there was NO muster drill for the passengers who had just embarked. It was to be the next day! They also had to force the crew to lower the lifeboats.

[Aplmac]

From the point-of-view of the fourth pic they can practally touch her, they are so close

Yes, she's come to rest no more than about 50-100 metres from the shoreline.

 

..................................

 

The picture I'm examining closely is the close-up detail shot of The Rock

and the huge gouges it made in the hull a few rotations prior to where it finally came to rest, lodged firmly in the hull!

 

This amazing and fortunate 'capture' (of the very rock that did her in)

will hugely help investigators, later on!

[ItalianGuest]

They are real! The rock has been dragged along by the ship...

 

 

Buongiorno Globetrotter,

ho notato che anche lei scrive dall'Italia e che, sicuramente, ha più domestichezza con l'inglese di me.... Oliver_X non mi ha ancora contattato per e-mail... non potrebbe anche lei mettersi a sua disposizione? Magari lei usa facebook, skype o msn...

Cordiali saluti,

ItalianGuest

[G.M.T.]

http://firenze.repubblica.it/cronaca/2012/01/14/foto/uno_squarcio_di_70_metri-28082517/1/

 

Ron

[desertr0se]

Actually, 60 to 70 are missing and 3 are dead. This is very sad.

[judyzoo]

This all seems so unreal. How can this happen to a large, mainstream, only 6-year old cruise ship? So sad for everyone onboard, and the families of those killed or injured.

[peabody99]

regarding muster drills on costa. It is very possible they had not had one. They only do them once a week, b/c passengers embark and disembark in almost all ports. Ours was in the middle of the week when we sailed Costa. I am interested in how the Americans will fair in this terrible situation. When we were on Costa in the Mediterranean, we did not meet one single fellow American the entire week (although we were not trying either). I am sure it must be pretty overwhelming for everyone involved.

[Thoie]

Hey Thoie thank you for that reply.. no i've not news from her.. crc (the business who contract her for concordia cant give me information about her). I don't know where to start about callings, i ve awake all the noight finding info about the peruvian crew in there. I was calling the emergency number 00 39 848 50 50 50 (the way to call from here) but it says "the number is out of service". So I'm still researching on internet finding numbers to call or anything.

 

 

Looks like ItalianGuest is taking care of you. I tried the number from here but got the out of service message as well.

 

You could also try the Peruvian embassy in Rome:

 

Peru Embassy , Italy

Via Francesco Siacci, 2B

00197

Roma

Italy

Phone:

+39-06-80691510

+39-06-80691534

Fax:

+39-06-80691777

Email:

embperu@ambasciataperu2.191.it

Website URL:

http://www.ambasciataperu.it

 

Our thoughts are with you.

[bermuda triangle]

http://overheadbin.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/01/13/10152446-cruise-ship-runs-aground-off-italy-deaths-reported

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45996523/ns/travel/

[G.M.T.]

Really?

This doesn't count then? http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/march/6/newsid_2515000/2515923.stm

 

There have been worse too in other parts of the world, but I can't recall the exact details at the moment.

 

Probably the worst maritime desaster, either in peace or wartime was the sinking of the Wilhelm Gustloff with over 9000 deaths (exact number will never be known as the ship was full of refugees).

 

By coincedence I was watch a program about the Gustloff sinking on German TV last night.

 

http://www.wilhelmgustloff.com/unknown.htm

 

Ron