Just off Liberty - unruly children a real problem!

[San_Antonio_Ex]

First' date=' to the OP, my condolences in the loss of your mother. I'm so glad that your family was able to fulfill her wishes and have that special tribute to her. I lost my mom 7 years ago, and it is such a difficult thing to go through. My dad took our family on a cruise 6 months after her passing, and it was a special time together.

 

I've read a good number of the posts (but admittedly not all of them) regarding posters' opinions on child behavior and the parents charged with raising them. I'm a little surprised that some of you threaten to harm children in response to their misbehavior (kind of makes you wonder what additional behavior they may learn), and I'm also concerned that you judge parents so thoroughly and negatively based on the kids' actions while on vacation. [/quote']

 

Summercruisin' - thank you for this post. I am the OP and I will tell you that most of the ugliness on this thread has been because of the posts of 2 people (whom most of believe to be the same person) stirring the pot. The vast majority of the "if you don't take care of them, I will" type posts came in reply to their pot stirring.

 

Please don't think that most of us do not get and understand that some children have problems that their parents are dealing with. We know that some children have more challenges than others in daily life. An 11 year old excited about getting soda and wanting to use the coupons his aunt gave him, running in the MDR or back to the room, is though as you know, not safe, it is understandable. Most parents can tell the difference between one child completely off their rocker with enthusiasm and a pack of unruly children roaming the boat unsupervised. Though I don't know most of the "I'll take care of it" posters, I will bet they can tell the difference and can give slack when required.

 

There is a difference between the child who runs around and around the dining room while his/her parents ignore it, and the child who runs around while his parents attempt to stop him. We have all been there when our own child won't immediately mind. We don't judge those parents who are trying without a great deal of success to rein in their child. We do judge those parents who simply ignore their children's behavior.

 

Thank you for your post. It is a reminder that we need to carefully watch our hyperbole on these anonymous posts so that parents like you are not lumped into the same category with parents like h82seaUgo and luv2seaU.

[H82seaUgo]

 

Thank you for your post. It is a reminder that we need to carefully watch our hyperbole on these anonymous posts so that parents like you are lumped into the same category with parents like h82seaUgo and luv2seaU.

 

on board as well. there's no way you can tell me and my kids apart from summercruisin's child.

[Waterloomarc]

 

There is a difference between the child who runs around and around the dining room while his/her parents ignore it, and the child who runs around while his parents attempt to stop him. We have all been there when our own child won't immediately mind. We don't judge those parents who are trying without a great deal of success to rein in their child. We do judge those parents who simply ignore their children's behavior.

 

 

This! Exactly this!! Well said!

 

 

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[San_Antonio_Ex]

...I guess it really frosts my cookies that parents with children to whom God has given every gift of normalcy are content to allow their kids to behave like little brats and dare anyone to say anything to them. You have such a gift and you toss it aside with little thought to the consequences.

 

I get some satisfaction knowing how monumental my sons challenges are and how hard he tries to manage them. He now behaves so much better than his 23 year old peers who are drinking, drugging, and generally causing chaos wherever they go.

 

Good luck to all you who are so offended that someone might challenge your child's behavior. You will reap what you sow..

 

Thank you for this post!! I have done the head hang of shame myself! What a wonderful parent you were not to give up and just allow the behavior. Thanks to you and your spouse, you now have a 23 year old who, though still has issues (who doesn't), is someone of whom you may be very proud!!! Kudos to you for all of your hard work!

[San_Antonio_Ex]

on board as well. there's no way you can tell me and my kids apart from summercruisin's child.

 

 

If your children behave anything like you have on this thread, I'll bet I can. You should be ashamed by your constant ugly retorts. Obviously you are not. :eek:

[crusinpsychRN]

What kind of perverted comment is that? How did you extract that from what the PP wrote?

 

I second that.

[Gailerina]

I think an aspect some people have forgotten is that their will be kids on board who can not understand you and their parents as well.

 

Sadly I believe kids will get a lot worst before they get better.

 

 

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[SHICHIDAN]

If your child offends me or mine I will correct them. No thanks necessary.

 

I honestly don't care about your feelings on the subject. If you feel the need to confront me, ante up and take your chances - it's as simple as that.

 

That was past funny all the way to hilarious.

 

Step up and take your chances!!! Priceless.

[H82seaUgo]

If your children behave anything like you have on this thread, I'll bet I can. You should be ashamed by your constant ugly retorts. Obviously you are not. :eek:

 

ugly retorts? examples please?

[crusinpsychRN]

He's just a pot stirrer thats trying to get his post count to 10,000,..He's posted on here at least 25 times...Dennis

 

Exactly.

[halos]

absolutely fine! have the cajones to talk to me with their bravery. bully me, not the kid.

 

and, btw, life threatening situations are a different story. read my previous post.

 

Thanks for your answer....you seem to be the kind that will be with your child, so another adult COULD approach you. What you are not wanting to acknowledge is the kid who's parent is in the casino, the aft pool bar (or elsewhere) and can't be spoken to because they are not present......

If someone were attempting to drown MY child and there was no parent there, you bet your azz I would speak to that child.....

firmly too.

[ib4cruzn]

That was past funny all the way to hilarious.

 

Step up and take your chances!!! Priceless.

 

Shoot, my WIFE is the one to really fear! ;-)

[Andoria]

There is a difference between the child who runs around and around the dining room while his/her parents ignore it, and the child who runs around while his parents attempt to stop him. We have all been there when our own child won't immediately mind. We don't judge those parents who are trying without a great deal of success to rein in their child. We do judge those parents who simply ignore their children's behavior.

 

 

If this was said before every kid complaining thread, I wouldn't go into Stick up for the Kids mode:)

[luddite]

not if what they are doing i find perfectly acceptable.

 

some kids swear like truck drivers. i might object to that, whereas, their parents use a swear word every other word.

 

who is wrong?

 

and who are you to correct my child?

 

myob

 

ifthatwasntsoscaryitwouldbedownrightfunny

[luddite]

If the parent won't the village will. Your kids will be doing this frequently from the sound of it.

 

You might also want to teach them what to say to prison security staff...

 

I agree. Those kids are gonna need to learn how to talk to prison guards. :eek:

[H82seaUgo]

Thanks for your answer....you seem to be the kind that will be with your child, so another adult COULD approach you. What you are not wanting to acknowledge is the kid who's parent is in the casino, the aft pool bar (or elsewhere) and can't be spoken to because they are not present......

If someone were attempting to drown MY child and there was no parent there, you bet your azz I would speak to that child.....

firmly too.

 

i feel that's the lines employees issue. and i will get one if need be, but would not approach the child directly, EVER.

 

when i became a class parent, i had to complete a course called "protecting God's children". what an eye opener that was.

 

and i was disappointed i could not get the school to make this madatory for every parent to attend. it was quite an eye opener.

[ib4cruzn]

He's just a pot stirrer thats trying to get his post count to 10,000,..He's posted on here at least 25 times...Dennis

 

No, he doesn't just "stir the pot". He has a difference of opinion. This is allowed.

 

What I find atrocious are the folks resorting to namecalling and sarcasm. These are some of the things that the subject of this thread do.

 

I have no doubt this would be a different discussion were it held face to face.

 

You may disagree with another poster but your opinion is worth no more or less than his.

[cruzinlisa]

Children running in inappropriate places can certainly ruin your whole day and I can empathize with anyone and everyone who have had this experience. However, I just do not think this situation can be entirely prevented on a cruise ship or anywhere else for that matter. The fact is that children are going to run--anytime and anywhere. It's called being a kid. The best thing to do is try to control the inappropriate running.

 

I agree. Many children have a lot of energy that needs to be burned off- which is a good thing (think the play 60 commericals and other movements to get kids moving). Unfortunately a ship is a captive place, so they need to find a way to burn off the energy. That doesn't mean they should run free whenever, where ever, but that may explain why some kids are so hyped up. But if they go up to the track or whatever, then people complain. Does Carnival have supervised things for kids to do that involve physical activity? If not, then I guess it is up to their parents to (help the kids) find things for them to do to release the energy.

I sympathize with people saying they are kids, but there is still an acceptable standard of behavior and manners. Expecting every child to be seen and not heard (and frankly not even seen), wanting to be able to hear a pin drop and have quiet order is not reasonable, especially when children are involved. But wanting to be able to sit somewhere without having people run into you (without even apologizing) and screaming so loud you can't have even have a conversation is not unreasonable.

[rferr]

Just got off the Victory with me, wife and 11 year old daughter this week. Our daughter never was without one of us at any time, day or night. It was a family vacation and she had the option of going to the Kid's camp if she so chose but she did not want to. We never even registered her.

 

I noticed tons of kiids, very young, all over the ship in large groups roaming around totally unattended, day and night. I went to get something to eat the last night of the cruise and their were five and six year olds swimming, being watched by 10 year olds no parents in sight. And running around through the buffet areas. Some were even playing soccer in the elevator area of Deck 10 two nights, kicking a soccer ball around in teh elevator lobby inside the doors of the lido deck. Across the hall from us there were a bunch that the parents had apparently moved all into one room together, 10-13 years old and they made so much noise a few nights it was incredible, slamming their door and running up and down the halls. I was amazed that parents would allow children to roam a cruise ship until all hours completely unattended. I must be overprotective but we did not let our daughter even out of our sight ever.

 

As others have said I understand kids will be kids but I have never seen anything like this.

[cruzinlisa]

Those children that you consider brats or that you think should be harmed....you have no idea what their story is. You have no right to assume their parents don't care or don't know how to parent. You have no right to assume that you are better equipped to handle their misdeeds than those who know them' date=' those who have raised and loved them for many years before the few days you spent with them. You have no right to puff out your chest and feel powerful through threatening to deal with children who are unruly because their parents obviously cannot. Granted, not all parents are perfect, and we know that because people are not perfect...even you or your kids, despite what some of you would have us believe .[/quote']

 

This is true. This is what bothers me about out of control kids threads, the people that are crucifying the parents that they don't even know for not supposedly parenting their "little darling". Truly there are people who really don't care what their kids are doing because they are too selfish to take time out of their lives to watch them. But I would like to believe that most parents, just like probably most of the posters on this board, do care what their kids do. Yes, people need to watch their kids and catch up on them, but as they get a little older sometimes you have to give them a little freedom (unless they abuse it). And when you do that, you can't always see everything they do.

 

My kid is too little to be on her own, but once she gets older, if I am not there and she does something wrong I don't want other people taking matters into their own hands- hitting her, pushing her down, etc. (talking to her is okay). But if you have to report her to the ship or if you find me and tell me about it, I promise when I do find out, I WILL take care of her.

[San_Antonio_Ex]

ugly retorts? examples please?

 

Let's start with post #9 - your first contribution to this thread:

 

sorry about your mother, but kids running? i think that's what kids do. i did it, and my kids still do it.

 

i too wish i could still do it, but gravity got in the way.

 

Then there is post #24, replying to me, the OP:

 

only problem is, op didn't specify that.

 

my kids like running around in an elevator making a whirlpool of wind.

 

Then there is #72:

 

speak to my kids, and i'll be speaking to you.

 

I could go on and on, but I think everyone has gotten the idea -except for you, of course. You still think your bar is set higher than everyone elses. I hope someday I do have reason to have a word with you. I'd like to see how obnoxious you really are in person or if you are simply one of those unloved, low self-esteem, people who get their jollies making rude comments anonymously. :rolleyes:

[rferr]

Let's start with post #9 - your first contribution to this thread:

 

 

 

Then there is post #24, replying to me, the OP:

 

 

 

Then there is #72:

 

 

 

I could go on and on, but I think everyone has gotten the idea -except for you, of course. You still think your bar is set higher than everyone elses. I hope someday I do have reason to have a word with you. I'd like to see how obnoxious you really are in person or if you are simply one of those unloved, low self-esteem, people who get their jollies making rude comments anonymously. :rolleyes:

 

Just set him to ignore everyone else has....

[H82seaUgo]

Let's start with post #9 - your first contribution to this thread:

 

 

 

Then there is post #24, replying to me, the OP:

 

 

 

Then there is #72:

 

 

 

I could go on and on, but I think everyone has gotten the idea -except for you, of course. You still think your bar is set higher than everyone elses. I hope someday I do have reason to have a word with you. I'd like to see how obnoxious you really are in person or if you are simply one of those unloved, low self-esteem, people who get their jollies making rude comments anonymously. :rolleyes:

 

i was looking for examples of ugly retorts.

[crusinpsychRN]

i was looking for examples of ugly retorts.

 

I think his kid has taken over his computer.

[H82seaUgo]

I think his kid has taken over his computer.

 

i think so too.