NCL changes smoking policy too!

[grab007]

To the hosts (and others,)

 

Can we now PLEASE end these tiresome, useless smoker vs non-smoker threads?

Please?

 

Thanks.

[gemsm]

That is correct, they're treating E-cigs as if they were actual cigarettes.

 

Not like it matters. Nobody would even notice if I vaped on my balcony.

[USNUZULOOSE]

I have never seen so many smoking threads on all the boards . And boy are they heated.

[gerif]

To the hosts (and others,)

 

Can we now PLEASE end these tiresome, useless smoker vs non-smoker threads?

Please?

 

Thanks.

 

Your are aware that you are not compelled to open and read every thread here, aren't you? Lots of threads that don't interest me in the least but go on forever. I just don't bother opening them.

[Tucker in Texas]

I did not see where it inferred E-cigs on balcony was OK.:confused: I thought it said no cigarettes, e-cigs, etc.

 

Thanks

 

You are correct.

 

As I said, it was sorta "inferred" about e-cigs being able to be smoked on a balcony. In one paragraph it says:

 

Guests are not permitted to smoke cigarettes, e-cigarettes, cigars or pipes in their staterooms or on their balconies

 

Then next paragraph it says:

 

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

 

Note the words public areas Balconies are not public areas. So how is the "public" going to see you smoking an e-cig on your balcony?

 

The second paragraph was more of an explanation of why e-cigs aren't allowed in public areas when they do not emit the smoke and odor that cigarettes do. I don't think any other no smoking policy I've seen on the other lines have explained that the perception they are real cigarettes is the reason they don't allow e-cigs in public areas and not that they are offensive.

 

E-cig smokers have complained mightily on cruise critic that they should be allowed to smoke e-cigs anywhere they want because they aren't like regular cigarettes. NCL has given a very valid reason for their decision on the matter and one I can't see e-cig smokers arguing with.

 

Tucker in Texas

Edited July 18, 2014 by Tucker in Texas

[tiessa]

People can't vape in other than smoking areas because others can't tell the difference between a real cigarette and an e-cigarette. As, usual, the powers that be have to "protect" the ignorant of our society from their own, shall I say stupidity. The rest of us must suffer because some are too dumb to tell the difference and want to complain about something. Heaven help the diabetic who takes an insulin shot on their balcony! Someone will surely insist it is heroin! You have to laugh at this situation but it is sad that our society has come to this.

[rummenroman]

Who cares? Another thread about smoking on a different cruise line that will probably go over 100 posts on the RCCL boards.........:rolleyes: We don't cruise NCL or smoke, but I think just for grins if I was on NCL I'd stand by a slot machine pretending to play and have a cigarette.:)

 

Or just simply wander around the casino smoking "looking" for the machine that is calling itself a winner. When your smoke is done, simply proclaim none of the machines called itself as a winner and head about your business.

[lisiamc]

Not like it matters. Nobody would even notice if I vaped on my balcony.

 

No one will notice if you are a bit discreet about it, and I think that there are many like me who would never say a word, even if we did see you. And I'm one who would report a cigarette/cigar smoker on a balcony in a heartbeat. And before anyone asks, I can tell the difference by the smell, or lack of it.

[ReneeFLL]

I am a non smoker so that is a plus with me. I think it is good that they said that smoking in the casinos is for the gamblers. I don't go to the casinos, but I read a recent post about people smoking and not gambling and taking up the room so others could not get to the machines.

[gemsm]

I am a non smoker so that is a plus with me. I think it is good that they said that smoking in the casinos is for the gamblers. I don't go to the casinos, but I read a recent post about people smoking and not gambling and taking up the room so others could not get to the machines.

 

If they are going to do that I hope they will be enforcing a "these machines are for smokers only" rule in the smoking section. There is nothing more annoying then attempting to find a machine you can smoke while playing only to have them all taken up by non-smokers who then complain about the smoky area

[04cruises]

Time to sit back and enjoy the 500 comment long thread this will create which devolves into a pointless back and forth between those who think they can smoke whenever and wherever they like and those who loathe anyone who smokes.

 

That being said, I applaud the decision. Smoking is a legitimate fire hazard on cruise ships and is a potential danger to everyone there. Let smokers have their designated area up on deck.

 

F.Y.I. I am a non smoker but I like facts.

http://www.shipdetective.com/advice/safety/fires.htm#allegra

[Beardface]

F.Y.I. I am a non smoker but I like facts.

http://www.shipdetective.com/advice/safety/fires.htm#allegra

From that link -

 

2006 - Star Princess (Princess Cruises)

A major fire broke out while at sea en route to Grand Cayman. 1 passenger died and 9 passengers were injured due to smoke inhalation. About 150 cabins located in the middle of the ship were severely damaged or totally destroyed. The fire is suspected to have started from a cigarette that came from an upper balcony. Maritime Safety Report in PDF Format including photos.

 

 

So lets not pretend that smoking isn't a significant danger on a ship, especially one at sea...

[rxziebel]

From that link -

 

2006 - Star Princess (Princess Cruises)

A major fire broke out while at sea en route to Grand Cayman. 1 passenger died and 9 passengers were injured due to smoke inhalation. About 150 cabins located in the middle of the ship were severely damaged or totally destroyed. The fire is suspected to have started from a cigarette that came from an upper balcony. Maritime Safety Report in PDF Format including photos.

 

 

So lets not pretend that smoking isn't a significant danger on a ship, especially one at sea...

 

 

Point taken, but realize that people smoke and will do so on a cruise. If you don't provide a safe and convenient area to do so, then those people will "sneak" a smoke in an unsafe place and that is a bigger risk of fire than anything else.

[Beardface]

Point taken, but realize that people smoke and will do so on a cruise. If you don't provide a safe and convenient area to do so, then those people will "sneak" a smoke in an unsafe place and that is a bigger risk of fire than anything else.

 

Or... and here's a crazy thought... Don't smoke where you're forbidden to do so...

 

If you can't go the required time without puffin on your cancer pipe, then maybe cruising isn't for you.

[jstraw20]

People can't vape in other than smoking areas because others can't tell the difference between a real cigarette and an e-cigarette. As, usual, the powers that be have to "protect" the ignorant of our society from their own, shall I say stupidity. The rest of us must suffer because some are too dumb to tell the difference and want to complain about something. Heaven help the diabetic who takes an insulin shot on their balcony! Someone will surely insist it is heroin! You have to laugh at this situation but it is sad that our society has come to this.

 

Have to agree wholeheartedly. It's also a pretty weak reason as most who vape don't use the cigarette lookalikes for many reasons. The batteries don't last, they utilize pre-filled cartridges that could contain God-knows-whatever, the "look" is actually counterproductive to someone who is trying to separate themselves from a long term addiction to smoking cigarettes, and of course because they'll confuse some people who can't distinguish a plastic or metal tube with a blue led from an actual cigarette. Most "vapers" use tank based systems that would never be confused with cigarettes.

 

I've stated this in another thread but I think it's worth repeating: forcing users of E-cigs into smoking areas is actually illegal in many locales because they aren't smokers. I think the current policy should be re-visited at some point.

Edited July 18, 2014 by jstraw20

[oneputt18]

 

So lets not pretend that smoking isn't a significant danger on a ship, especially one at sea...

 

292 cruise ships worldwide carrying in excess of 20 million passengers, one fire 8 years ago, possibly attributed to a cigarette, is not a "significant danger"

You're in more danger of stepping out in the street and getting hit by a car.

You don't like cigarettes and that is your prerogative.

[04cruises]

From that link -

 

2006 - Star Princess (Princess Cruises)

A major fire broke out while at sea en route to Grand Cayman. 1 passenger died and 9 passengers were injured due to smoke inhalation. About 150 cabins located in the middle of the ship were severely damaged or totally destroyed. The fire is suspected to have started from a cigarette that came from an upper balcony. Maritime Safety Report in PDF Format including photos.

 

 

So lets not pretend that smoking isn't a significant danger on a ship, especially one at sea...

 

The worst offender is the engine room and laundry area. We can't get rid of them. My purpose was to educate that your position is a opinion and I respect that is your right Respect that smoking is still legal and allow them to also enjoy their cruise. That is why they call it the Public.

[Mapleleafforever]

Excellent! This is the first step taken by pretty much all the cruise lines now. Next step, banning smoking in the casino. Next step, banning it onboard altogether. About time.

[UNV-IT!!!]

Excellent! This is the first step taken by pretty much all the cruise lines now. Next step, banning smoking in the casino. Next step, banning it onboard altogether. About time.

 

Sounds good to me.

 

 

The e ciggs have more to do with people doing illegal drugs in e ciggs then worries of people assuming they are ciggs.

 

How does ship security differ between someone using an e cigg. Or someone smoking THC oil. There won't be a smell. If you think there will be you have no clue what your talking about.

Then it becomes a problem of trying to figure out who is using legitimate e ciggs and who's using vape pens for THC oil.

[tiessa]

So I guess they better not let people take aspirin or vitamins or any other pill onboard because security will not know what they're really taking.

 

Geez, some people are just too paranoid to leave their homes.

[jstraw20]

If ship's security had any doubts about what was in my rig I'd have no problem offering them a hit right then and there to settle it. Hiding the stuff away just perpetuates ignorance.

[UNV-IT!!!]

If ship's security had any doubts about what was in my rig I'd have no problem offering them a hit right then and there to settle it. Hiding the stuff away just perpetuates ignorance.

 

Exactly. But that would mean security would need to walk around asking people to hit their pens. Or show what's inside. Which isn't likely. So instead they just ban then for the most part. Makes life easier. Now you can only smoke in 2 areas with your pens. Security doesn't need to worry about asking anyone walking around with a pen.

[jstraw20]

So by confining people who vape (not smoke) to smoking areas security now knows that their rigs don't contain contraband... how?

[mollyeilis]

I'm always glad to know of more options for me! And I'm glad to know for the sake of knowing...I sent my MIL on Holland, not having a clue that smoking was allowed on balconies. And that was bad for her because her traveling companion (that we paid for) begged for a balcony, telling MIL you just HAD TO have a balcony for Alaska...but the reason was so that she could go on the balcony and smoke. My poor MIL came home coughing like crazy, I felt so bad for her. :( If only I had known about HAL and about her friend's habit. I would have spent less money and gone with her initial "I'm afraid of balconies" statement OR just sent her on a different line. Knowledge is good!

 

 

F.Y.I. I am a non smoker but I like facts.

http://www.shipdetective.com/advice/safety/fires.htm#allegra

 

That link doesn't prove that smoking isn't a fire hazard. I think countless home fires caused by cigarettes kind of prove that smoking IS a fire hazard.

 

Point taken, but realize that people smoke and will do so on a cruise. If you don't provide a safe and convenient area to do so, then those people will "sneak" a smoke in an unsafe place and that is a bigger risk of fire than anything else.

 

OH gosh I would hope that people old enough to buy cigarettes wouldn't act like toddlers.

 

 

 

As I said, it was sorta "inferred" about e-cigs being able to be smoked on a balcony. In one paragraph it says:

 

Guests are not permitted to smoke cigarettes, e-cigarettes, cigars or pipes in their staterooms or on their balconies

 

Then next paragraph it says:

 

Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force; simply because these cigarettes look so realistic and therefore other guests' perception is that we are not enforcing the No Smoking rule.

 

Note the words public areas Balconies are not public areas. So how is the "public" going to see you smoking an e-cig on your balcony?

 

The second paragraph was more of an explanation of why e-cigs aren't allowed in public areas when they do not emit the smoke and odor that cigarettes do. I don't think any other no smoking policy I've seen on the other lines have explained that the perception they are real cigarettes is the reason they don't allow e-cigs in public areas and not that they are offensive.

 

 

 

"Guests are not permitted to smoke ... e-cigarettes.... in their staterooms or on their balconies"

 

That seems pretty clear.

 

"Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force"

 

Public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force. Two things. Not just "public areas". But public AND non-smoking.

 

So use your electronic nicotine transfer systems in the smoking area. Have at it.

 

 

"when they do not emit the smoke"? Hmm. I see people holding those little odd things, blowing large clouds of smoke, all the time in my town. Perhaps it's steam, not sure, but it looks like smoke.

 

As a non-smoker who doesn't care to get closer to anyone emitting smoke (unless it's a very cold day and we're all breathing out clouds of warm air), I don't actually know. And if someone is holding one that looks like a cigarette, I'm steering clear (because I'm assuming it's a cigarette) b/c I have no urge to have an asthma attack, and if they are in a non smoking section on a ship or themepark or whatever, I'm reporting it. Which then means an employee has to go look at the situation, etc etc... Waste of time IF it turns out to be an electronic thing.

 

So just stick to the smoking sections with it, and you're golden.

[Charles4515]

I'm always glad to know of more options for me! And I'm glad to know for the sake of knowing...I sent my MIL on Holland, not having a clue that smoking was allowed on balconies. And that was bad for her because her traveling companion (that we paid for) begged for a balcony, telling MIL you just HAD TO have a balcony for Alaska...but the reason was so that she could go on the balcony and smoke. My poor MIL came home coughing like crazy, I felt so bad for her. :( If only I had known about HAL and about her friend's habit. I would have spent less money and gone with her initial "I'm afraid of balconies" statement OR just sent her on a different line. Knowledge is good!

 

 

 

 

That link doesn't prove that smoking isn't a fire hazard. I think countless home fires caused by cigarettes kind of prove that smoking IS a fire hazard.

 

 

 

OH gosh I would hope that people old enough to buy cigarettes wouldn't act like toddlers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Guests are not permitted to smoke ... e-cigarettes.... in their staterooms or on their balconies"

 

That seems pretty clear.

 

"Electronic cigarettes cannot be used in public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force"

 

Public areas where there is a No Smoking policy in force. Two things. Not just "public areas". But public AND non-smoking.

 

So use your electronic nicotine transfer systems in the smoking area. Have at it.

 

 

"when they do not emit the smoke"? Hmm. I see people holding those little odd things, blowing large clouds of smoke, all the time in my town. Perhaps it's steam, not sure, but it looks like smoke.

 

As a non-smoker who doesn't care to get closer to anyone emitting smoke (unless it's a very cold day and we're all breathing out clouds of warm air), I don't actually know. And if someone is holding one that looks like a cigarette, I'm steering clear (because I'm assuming it's a cigarette) b/c I have no urge to have an asthma attack, and if they are in a non smoking section on a ship or themepark or whatever, I'm reporting it. Which then means an employee has to go look at the situation, etc etc... Waste of time IF it turns out to be an electronic thing.

 

So just stick to the smoking sections with it, and you're golden.

 

 

Whatever it is that is in that vapor they exhale; glycol, nicotine, germs, whatever, I don't want to breath it. So I don't want it near me.

 

One of my coworkers has an e-cig. His is quite large and lame looking. Much larger than a cigarette. It emits a large cloud of whatever. More than a cigarette emits of smoke. Ick. I don't think people are going to want to be around a bunch of people smoking those in public places. On the positive side while there was some light oder, probably from flavoring, it was not an irritating oder like cigarette smoke. This was outside so it might turn out to be irritating inside.