Man overboard on the Glory

[carnival03]

Looking at the Carnival ship tracker, the Glory is still in the relative area it was yesterday... I wonder if they're continuing the search or if they are slowly making way to the next port????

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

"Carnival passengers (33 incidents) are more likely to go overboard than passengers from other cruise lines"

 

Well gee wizz...Carnival carries more passengers and travels more miles than any other cruise line. Don't you just love numbers that distort the truth. Why doesn't someone figure out the percentage of peeps going overboard and the number of people who have cruised.

[chengkp75]

Looking at the Carnival ship tracker, the Glory is still in the relative area it was yesterday... I wonder if they're continuing the search or if they are slowly making way to the next port????

 

Don't know about the Carnival site, but two consumer vessel trackers show her midway between Miami and Bahamas, but the last reported position was about 7pm last night. You may want to see what the time of last position was on their site. AIS coverage in the Bahamas has been spotty on commercial sites in the last month or so.

[chengkp75]

I am curious as to how long nearby ships or the passenger-overboard's ship itself is required or obligated to look?

 

I can only imagine how difficult it was for the Glory captain to then steer the boat on its way to the next port of call. Especially I am assuming with the man's travel companions still on board. Awful!

 

If I was family of the victim, it would be horrifying to know the vessels have to leave and he could be still alive. We all know the chances are not good, but if that was my family member out there I would not want to give up.

 

Generally, once the USCG or other country's agencies are on station, the commercial ships will be released to proceed. The maritime agencies are better equipped to deal with the incident than any commercial vessel.

[chengkp75]

What a caring daughter!! How wonderful that she called.

 

I am continuing to pray for the search and for the families.

 

I would think the assumption of drunkenness or foolishness would be a safe assumption. ... And I would assume that he was alone at the time, since no one alerted anyone, is also a safe assumption. But not knowing all the facts except that Carnival, the Coast Guard, and everyone is doing all they can and they are following procedure, I can't think of anything to do, but pray!

 

I can tell of an instance where the person going overboard was not alone, and where the incident was not immediately alerted. Back in the '80's, Massachusetts Maritime Academy was having their summer cruise, taking cadets to various ports around the world to have them learn what going to sea was all about. Some cadets smuggled some beer onboard, got drunk in a cabin, and decided to go body surfing out the porthole. They tied bedsheets together, and lowered this out the porthole, and would cling to it while being dragged along by the ship, in the middle of the Atlantic, at night. One guy could not climb back up the sheets, and finally dropped off, watching the ship sail away. His "buddies" took the time to clean up the cabin and remove all evidence of drinking before notifying the bridge that the kid had gone overboard. Extremely luckily for him, and beating the odds, he was found and survived.

 

So, yes, young people make stupid decisions, some unbelievably stupid. Is this individual to "blame" for the incident? No. Is he "at fault"? Probably. His behavior most likely led to an unfortunate and sad result, but these things happen whenever anyone makes a choice, regardless of where they are, or what they are doing. Accidents happen all the time.

[Big_G]

"Carnival passengers (33 incidents) are more likely to go overboard than passengers from other cruise lines"

 

 

 

Well gee wizz...Carnival carries more passengers and travels more miles than any other cruise line. Don't you just love numbers that distort the truth. Why doesn't someone figure out the percentage of peeps going overboard and the number of people who have cruised.

 

 

Why wouldn't you figure that out before claiming it was a distorted truth? Thanks providing no facts to the contrary.

 

 

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[loubetti]

"Carnival passengers (33 incidents) are more likely to go overboard than passengers from other cruise lines"

 

Well gee wizz...Carnival carries more passengers and travels more miles than any other cruise line. Don't you just love numbers that distort the truth. Why doesn't someone figure out the percentage of peeps going overboard and the number of people who have cruised.

 

No. the numbers do NOT distort the truth, but I do not expect you to see how they don't. However, I will say this:

 

Do you really think the same percentage of passengers go overboard on more upscale cruise lines?

 

Do you think that Regent, Celebrity, Cunard, Seabourn, Princess, HAL, and other upscale lines are the choice of spring break cruisers?

 

Sorry, YOUR argument holds no water.

[xeroxme]

Regardless of how it happened; Drunk; being foolish or suicide; it is Tragic.

As someone else mentioned consider that the person family may be reading these post while suffering in this tragedy. The captain of the ship and staff also deal with the tragedy of losing someone under their care. That is no easy pill to swallow and they live with the outcome.

 

What's odd is how brutal we can be towards other human beings. If it was a dog or cat that went overboard etc. people would likely all be sympathetic. Who cares if it was being stupid, drunk etc.. We should only be concerned that a life is possibly lost and that there are family members who love this young person grieving with unimaginable pain. I pray for a rescue for this young person and will keep him in my prayers.

[Surfwench]

Regardless of how it happened; Drunk; being foolish or suicide; it is Tragic.

As someone else mentioned consider that the person family may be reading these post while suffering in this tragedy. The captain of the ship and staff also deal with the tragedy of losing someone under their care. That is no easy pill to swallow and they live with the outcome.

 

What's odd is how brutal we can be towards other human beings. If it was a dog or cat that went overboard etc. people would likely all be sympathetic. Who cares if it was being stupid, drunk etc.. We should only be concerned that a life is possibly lost and that there are family members who love this young person grieving with unimaginable pain. I pray for a rescue for this young person and will keep him in my prayers.

 

It is human nature, nothing more. The thought of such a thing happening to us is so horrifying we search for reasons the same fate would not befall us. That involves ascribing blame on the victim, unfortunately.

 

Someone on some cruise board said the victim and his family were part of a FB roll call... if they are active there, they may also read Cruise Critic. My sympathies and condolences to the family.

[1Honey12]

Any updates? :(

[crewsweeper]

I just want to reach out and thank both MisterMom and Trentrent for keeping us posting on how things are going "live" and the mood of the Glory. Hope the rest of your cruise is back toward original expectations.:)

[asalligo]

It is impossible to "fall" over the rail.

 

I have to disagree with this statement. On my last cruise after many such threads like this, I was evaluating this exact issue. At my height and pivot point, I could fall over my balcony rail. Not in any normal course of action I agree, but it could happen with rough seas especially.

[Fun@C]

This is the Glory's day at sea, so they could be still searching. But I believe I read an earlier post from someone onboard that they were released from the search to go to the next port. I hope we get some updates soon. My heart just aches for the young man and his family and friends!

[gone_cruisin]

No. the numbers do NOT distort the truth, but I do not expect you to see how they don't. However, I will say this:

 

 

 

Do you really think the same percentage of passengers go overboard on more upscale cruise lines?

 

 

 

Do you think that Regent, Celebrity, Cunard, Seabourn, Princess, HAL, and other upscale lines are the choice of spring break cruisers?

 

 

 

Sorry, YOUR argument holds no water.

 

 

 

No, but those cruise lines could be the choice of terminally ill suicides?

 

I think the person making the argument was simply stating that carnival carries more passengers and this has a higher percentage of the total overboard.

Edited March 9, 2015 by gone_cruisin

[chengkp75]

No, but those cruise lines could be the choice of terminally ill suicides?

 

I think the person making the argument was simply stating that carnival carries more passengers and this has a higher percentage of the total overboard.

 

Arguing over these statistics is silly. The only statistic that has any value is the number of persons overboard per million passenger days. That is how you compare oranges to oranges between the cruise lines.

[firemanbobswife]

I have to disagree with this statement. On my last cruise after many such threads like this, I was evaluating this exact issue. At my height and pivot point, I could fall over my balcony rail. Not in any normal course of action I agree, but it could happen with rough seas especially.

 

 

Those would have to be some pretty rough seas. Like rolling SEVERELY. In which I doubt anyone would be out on their balcony.

 

But like you said, it's not going to happen "in any normal course of action" meaning someone isn't going to be standing by the railing and just accidentally fall over.

 

Unless a person is acting foolishly doing something they aren't supposed to, or they fully intend to go over, it's simply not going to happen.

 

Doesn't really matter anyway. What's done is done no matter how unfortunate.

[iconoclast]

I have to disagree with this statement. On my last cruise after many such threads like this, I was evaluating this exact issue. At my height and pivot point, I could fall over my balcony rail. Not in any normal course of action I agree, but it could happen with rough seas especially.

 

I was on the Pride last February and coming back to Baltimore on the last sea day we hit a wall of wind that that kept the ship at a perpetual list all morning. My balcony was on the side of the ship being hit by wind, and I found it was virtually impossible to open my balcony door, although it was not locked. A balcony on the other side of the ship would have been listing towards the water and dealing with winds gong over the ship. I think it would be possible to slip and fall over the rail in a situation like that, especially if you're not balancing well.

 

I love balcony cabins, but looking down at that water rushing by the ship scares the beejeez out of me. I'm also afraid of heights! If I've had a couple too many in the casino...I won't even go out on my balcony alone.

[ajee622]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the family. Regardless if he's drunk or being stupid no one deserves to die like that.

 

 

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[kelkel2]

Thoughts and prayers go out to the family. Regardless if he's drunk or being stupid no one deserves to die like that.

 

 

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Agreed, and the family left behind worried sick. Just saddens me. No matter how it happened. This is likely a vacation they booked a while a go and looked forward to. Not how they intended to spend it. Just so sad no matter what led up to the incident. Drunk or not, very unfortunate for all involved.

[jiggs]

I assume he was alone at the time and that is why it wasn't reported. Due to this, nobody is going to have all the details. I could see this happening drinks or not. I think people do risky stuff all the time, I think there is a lack of appreciation for the power of the ocean. If the reports were true that it was rough, the kid was probably dead moments after hitting the water, if not when he hit. If he was of the ship in rough water would likely overtake anyone, great swimmer or not.

 

I've seen people try to look around the balcony dividers to talk to their friends on the other side and lean uncomfortably over the rail.

 

Honestly I'm surprised there aren't more over boards or injuries. Potentially add booze, drugs or a poor mental state of mind and things could happen quickly. A lot of people expect 2nd changes after mistakes, I'm pretty sure this is one time people rarely get a 2nd chance.

 

Hope for the best but reality is a powerful thing.

[tonit964]

I have to disagree with this statement. On my last cruise after many such threads like this, I was evaluating this exact issue. At my height and pivot point, I could fall over my balcony rail. Not in any normal course of action I agree, but it could happen with rough seas especially.

 

The only way you could fall off the balcony even in rough seas would be if you were really leaning over the balcony or if the ship listed in that direction while you were standing there.

 

Otherwise, it's impossible to be standing at the rail and you just fall overboard.

[Velvetwater]

It seems in was a variety of factors that contributed to this tragedy (as per my post on page 6):

 

1) Rough seas

2) Too much too drink

 

 

If one of those factors was eliminated then maybe the outcome could have been different.

 

Cruising is relatively safe compared to many modes of travel but when it goes wrong like this a tragic result is often a given.

 

The poor guy and his family, what they must be going through right now.

[sweetsixteencruisers]

So very sad!!!

[springs741]

I can relate to the atmosphere on the ship as when we were on our first cruise in Sept. Of 2011, a man went overboard on the Conquest shortly after leaving Cozumel. The ship spent a good amount of time searching, unfortunately he was never found.

 

I hope that this young man is found, and though he may not have survived, at least there can be closure for his loved ones.

 

That was my first Carnival Cruise.

 

Comments:

 

The link on page two or so is missing some incidents.

 

I understand being upset that this horrible situation is messing up your vacation and I don't think this precludes my having compassion for all involved.

 

Reading comprehension is a lost art.

[CocoaMom]

Regardless of the circumstances, this young guy is someone's son, someone's friend. And there is a group of 100+ students on from Virginia Tech (my daughter's school)...this young guy is part of a community too.

 

IF this were your son/daughter, your friend, I don't think people would be so inhumane.