Is It Possible To Win?

[IsanTom]

Set your casino budget and stick to it. The casino is entertainment like going to the

movies. Chances are you'll lose your movie budget, if not, congrats! In Thailand,

the Thai's love their lottery! They remember when they win, but for the 100's of times

they lose, they forget! Same as your visits to the casino.

Edited April 15, 2016 by IsanTom
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[PompeySailor]

Set your casino budget and stick to it. The casino is entertainment like going to the

movies. Chances re you'll lose your movie budget, if not, congrats!

 

But drinks at the movies will cost you a fortune:eek:

All drinks in the casino for us are FREE:)

[John&LaLa]

But drinks at the movies will cost you a fortune:eek:

All drinks in the casino for us are FREE:)

 

We do first seating, go to casino after dinner. I usually use my Diamond drinks then. Laura doesn't drink (much ;)) so I can get 3-4. :D

[PompeySailor]

We do first seating, go to casino after dinner. I usually use my Diamond drinks then. Laura doesn't drink (much ;)) so I can get 3-4. :D

 

Wiseman :) we are the other way round, wife drinks like a fish so she grabs a couple in SL/CL, then goes to DL has a few more, finds a bar to use all 6 coupons and finds a server in the casino, gives them $20 tip or a $25 chip and she is sorted.

 

Did I say she does like her drink when cruising:D

When on vacation, do as the Romans do!! ;)

Edited April 15, 2016 by PompeySailor

[cruisequeen4ever]

Fun thread!

 

I won $1,000 on Wheel of Fortune on the QM2 one time. This was back in the days of coin payouts, and they just kept coming! [emoji5] DH was sitting in a lounge on his computer, so I calmly walked in and just casually fanned out the cash!

 

 

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Edited April 15, 2016 by cruisequeen4ever

[honeybelle7]

I'm a pretty good blackjack player and always play to come out even so I never lose. If I am winning and I lose 3x in a row, I get up from the table. Blackjack has the best odds of a player winning in a casino, though that doesn't say much! The slots have the worst odds. I have no intention of losing my hard-earned money. However having said that, I learned my lesson the hard way on on Freedom of the Seas! My husband and I were playing blackjack, thinking we were just the cat's meow and and we went on the losing streak of all losing streaks. The dealer was killing us. She would make 21 out of nothing no matter what we had. It was unbelievable.We changed tables and the same thing happened. I guess you could say, thanks to RC, I developed my Never Again strategy. Since I live close to Vegas, I go once a year, enjoy myself by breaking even or winning and therefore, I consider that winning no matter what. My Never Again strategy keeps my wallet okay. Looking forward to the same on Harmony of the Seas on the July 14th sailing.

[msmayor]

Set your casino budget and stick to it. The casino is entertainment like going to the

movies. Chances are you'll lose your movie budget, if not, congrats! In Thailand,

the Thai's love their lottery! They remember when they win, but for the 100's of times

they lose, they forget! Same as your visits to the casino.

 

This is our philosophy. My husband and I find casino gambling entertaining so that's how we treat it...losses are the 'cost' of that entertainment.

 

We set a daily budget, and I go so far as to set up daily envelopes with the casino cash inside. $100 each for table games and $20 each for video poker, each day.

 

My husband keeps the casino money separate in his wallet and anything we cash out of the casino at the end of the day goes into the 'winnings' envelope. Sometimes its more than the $240 we started with, sometimes its less...but it goes into the winnings envelope and is left alone. We always start with a 'fresh bank' each day.

 

Towards the end of the trip we add up the winnings envelope and use what's there to pay down the on-board account which normally will run between $1000-$1500 (spa, drinks, daily service charge, other). Last three trips we've walked off the ship with no bill and extra cash, this last March our credit card was charged $9.50 at the end.

 

So we may not always leave ahead, but even coming close to even means we were entertained for the week for almost free.

[BobnJac]

Good story but you left off the ending. How much ?

 

Dont get too excited Mark. It was $250. A wins a win.

The reason the alarms went off was because that machine had not been recharged at that point and simply ran out of money. The attendant knew the payout obviously from the reels.

I have friends that make a very good living from casinos both at sea and on land.

I consider them fun places others consider them a second home.

We accompanied one of our friends to Atlantic City one weekend they were comp'd for everything. His wife thought nothing of "dropping 60k" I was astonished.

But thats their enjoyment, so good luck to them, literally.

[dkjretired]

Mythbusters

Last cruise 1st night

$2881.00 JACKPOT

 

Last cruise 7th night

$2500 JACKPOT

 

RC is not governed by any gaming commission, like OLGC for example

They can set RNG's to any % they please.

I actually put this to the test once, same machine all 7 days and dropped the same amount every day.

 

Anything factory set, can also be customized:D

 

I have a few more screen dumps of Day 1 and Day 7 winnings

It works for us, and I like the myth very much, has done us pretty good for 15 years.

 

I have the W2g forms to prove it as well, now having to pay tax on winning over $1199.99

 

Happy Days!

 

You are totally incorrect, the only way the RNG can be changed is to replace it and that costs almost as much as the machine itself. I would suggest you check on the internet, this is all info readily available in a number of independent sources. The fact is they do not have to change it because they always win, the machine is set at the factory and any wins you might get are just anecdotal. How do you think casinos stay in business.

 

Also, to the poster who commented about regulation, there is a group of cruise lines who self regulate themselves and they do follow the same rules as are followed on land. FYI, on land when the RNG is changed they have to get permission from the local gaming permission and they are changed occasionially basically when they malfunction but that is about all.

 

Again, read up on it, this info is all available as well as many other myths, they are quite interesting if you take the time but this is definitely the #1 myth of slot machines.

 

http://www.readybetgo.com/slots/strategy/slot-random-numbers-1091.html

 

http://www.casinorng.com/Brain-of-Casino-Software.html

 

Click on Slot Machine Essentials on this one

 

http://casinogambling.about.com/od/slots/a/slotmyth.htm

Edited April 15, 2016 by dkjretired

[PompeySailor]

You are totally incorrect, the only way the RNG can be changed is to replace it and that costs almost as much as the machine itself. I would suggest you check on the internet, this is all info readily available in a number of independent sources. The fact is they do not have to change it because they always win, the machine is set at the factory and any wins you might get are just anecdotal. How do you think casinos stay in business.

 

Also, to the poster who commented about regulation, there is a group of cruise lines who self regulate themselves and they do follow the same rules as are followed on land. FYI, on land when the RNG is changed they have to get permission from the local gaming permission and they are changed occasionially basically when they malfunction but that is about all.

 

Again, read up on it, this info is all available as well as many other myths, they are quite interesting if you take the time but this is definitely the #1 myth of slot machines.

 

http://www.readybetgo.com/slots/strategy/slot-random-numbers-1091.html

 

http://www.casinorng.com/Brain-of-Casino-Software.html

 

Click on Slot Machine Essentials on this one

 

http://casinogambling.about.com/od/slots/a/slotmyth.htm

 

I guess then you are the authority and work for the gaming commission and are the expert.

Internet never lies, I state facts from experience, don't really care for your attitude telling me I am totally incorrect;)

 

Did you see they just found aliens in Arkansas, it must be true it is posted on the Internet :D

 

Not wanting to partake in a she said he said tit for tat, I win on 1st night and last night pretty much every cruise. Must be the fairy dust:eek:

 

Was a fun thread until someone wanted to stamp some authority on it!!

 

OH if the NSA can do it to RNG, I am sure it must be true, even Edward Snowden admits it was done by NSA!!!! Can that be a reliable source coming from the NSA

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24048343

Edited April 15, 2016 by PompeySailor

[Deatsch]

Buy something with your $100 and enjoy it.

 

I'm an accomplished gambler and do well but I NEVER, EVER play slots. The chances are POOR on slots and the odds are preset, mechanically.

 

On blackjack and craps, at least, you have a chance.

 

Save your money. Listen to your husband, buy each other a drink instead.

 

 

 

So can I actually walk out of the casino a winner? We will be on the Navigator in a few weeks and I'm setting aside $100 for the casino. I don't play and last few cruises didn't even walk through casino since my husband hates them but this time I'm going by myself. Thinking of slots, don't know what else to play. I'm looking for any advice and tips and yes, I'm prepared to stop and walk away:)

[dkjretired]

I guess then you are the authority and work for the gaming commission and are the expert.

Internet never lies, I state facts from experience, don't really care for your attitude telling me I am totally incorrect;)

 

Did you see they just found aliens in Arkansas, it must be true it is posted on the Internet :D

 

Not wanting to partake in a she said he said tit for tat, I win on 1st night and last night pretty much every cruise. Must be the fairy dust:eek:

 

Was a fun thread until someone wanted to stamp some authority on it!!

 

OH if the NSA can do it to RNG, I am sure it must be true, even Edward Snowden admits it was done by NSA!!!! Can that be a reliable source coming from the NSA

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-24048343

 

I only wanted to put some truth out there but if you wish to put falsehoods and lies that is your choice, I gave sources, you did not. I could give ten more, can you give even one beside yourself. I do not work for a casino nor do I work for a regulatory agency. I have been on cruise critic since its inception and many on the Celebrity board know me as a retired Chief of Detectives in a major Police Department in New Jersey. They also know that I was lucky enough to have won a life changing win on a slot machine in Las Vegas ten years ago this June as some have seen my picture and been on cruises with me. After my win for fun I decided to do some research on slot machines and some of the research was provided in my first post on this thread. Also, find that some of the myths can be hurtful to some people when they play especially the won where people believe there is a tie in with their casino card to winning or losing. I try not to be rude as you where or make silly comment as you did, just try and deal in facts as you did not. I only came over to the Royal Board to provide some information and start a thread above some important information and changes that some of us just found out which will impact many Bermuda cruisers this year.

 

I'm sure that someone is going to enter a Casino with all the resources the NSA has to steal a couple thousand dollars, very funny. I can tell you a better story than that which actually has to do with the casinos.

Edited April 16, 2016 by dkjretired

[PompeySailor]

I only wanted to put some truth out there but if you wish to put falsehoods and lies that is your choice, I gave sources, you did not. I could give ten more, can you give even one beside yourself. I do not work for a casino nor do I work for a regulatory agency. I have been on cruise critic since its inception and many on the Celebrity board know me as a retired Chief of Detectives in a major Police Department in New Jersey. They also know that I was lucky enough to have won a life changing win on a slot machine in Las Vegas ten years ago this June as some have seen my picture and been on cruises with me. After my win for fun I decided to do some research on slot machines and some of the research was provided in my first post on this thread. Also, find that some of the myths can be hurtful to some people when they play especially the won where people believe there is a tie in with their casino card to winning or losing. I try not to be rude as you where or make silly comment as you did, just try and deal in facts as you did not. I only came over to the Royal Board to provide some information and start a thread above some important information and changes that some of us just found out which will impact many Bermuda cruisers this year.

 

I'm sure that someone is going to enter a Casino with all the resources the NSA has to steal a couple thousand dollars, very funny. I can tell you a better story than that which actually has to do with the casinos.

 

NSA that was fact, but proves it can be done, you said it could not

The Internet does not lie, fact well actually the NSA report is fact that RNG,s can be altered to determine the algorithmic outcome.

I never said NSA would do it in a ships casino, but you stated RNG,s could not be altered after leaving the factory.

NSA actually proved that they can fact!

 

Images of actual real winnings fact!

15 years Casino Royale experience fact!

I could post my W2g,s dated but SSN on a forum, not a wise move

 

Original Post asked if they could WIN, fact they actually could

And you know what they could lose too fact:D

 

Having worked with the OLGC and also in fraud and counterfeit detection for 15 years before I retired from that, fact (look up OLGC)

Also worked with Interpol and secret service with relevance to USD$ counterfeiting.

But none of this is relevant to OP asking if they could WIN

 

 

Not sure how this specific thread has anything to do with Bermuda.

Not doubting you have been on cc for a long time, really has no relevance, there are people on here I have cruised with, really not relevant

There are people on cc that have witnessed us winning in the casino

I have many friends on here, we actually communicate off the boards, and you guessed it, they actually win as well.

Again not relevant.

 

But I digress, we will never agree, and for those optimists enjoy the casino, and lose what you can afford to lose.

To those that win, you are in the minority and I feel for you:eek:

 

If night 3 and 5 are lucky for some, stick to those nights, for us 1st and last night believers. Keep on winning!!

 

Use this methodology, casino wants to draw more customers in, what better way on the 1st night to drop a few big wins, word of mouth, sirens going off, might be a ploy to draw more suckers in.

Once the audience is a captive one, don't pay out the big wins.

Let the machines fill up, casino hits its quota for the week, maybe on the last night give a little back, a few big wins. Future audience for the next cruise.

 

Look up Leicester City to win the Premier League at the start of the Season

5000/1 outsiders. Sucker bet you would say, but those who gambled on pretty crappy odds, guess what they are all WINNERS!

Relevance, none actually.

 

Falsehoods and lies, don't think so sheriff

 

Happy Days!

Edited April 16, 2016 by PompeySailor

[AdoraBelle]

Sources > no sources.

[PompeySailor]

Sources > no sources.

 

 

Ok I will play the source game:D

Let's hope you can keep up with the complexity of this topic.

 

You quote you were a detective

I quote I have a degree in Electrical/Electronic engineering:D

Majored in micro-electronics

 

 

Software RNGs

Just as with other components of a cryptosystem, a software random number generator should be designed to resist certain attacks. Some attacks possible on a RNG include

 

Direct cryptanalytic attack

when an attacker obtained part of the stream of random bits and can use this to distinguish the RNG output from a truly random stream.

Input-based attacks

modify the input to the RNG to attack it, for example by "flushing" existing entropy out of the system and put it into a known state.

State compromise extension attacks

when the internal secret state of the RNG is known at some time, use this to predict future output or to recover previous outputs. This can happen when a generator starts up and has little or no entropy (especially if the computer has just been booted and followed a very standard sequence of operations), so an attacker may be able to obtain an initial guess at the state.

 

Hardware RNGs

A number of attacks on hardware random number generators are possible, including trying to capture radio-frequency emissions from the computer (obtaining hard drive interrupt times from motor noise, for example), or trying to feed controlled signals into a supposedly random source (such as turning off the lights in a lava lamp or feeding a strong, known signal into a sound card).

 

RNG subversion

Subverted random numbers can be created using a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator with a seed value known to the attacker but concealed in the software. A relatively short, say 24 to 40 bit, portion of the seed can be truly random to prevent tell-tale repetitions, but not long enough to prevent the attacker from recovering, say, a "randomly" produced key.

 

Random numbers typically go through several layers of hardware and software before they are used. Bits may be generated in a peripheral device, sent over a serial cable, collected in an operating system utility and retrieved by a system call. The subverted bits can be substituted at any point in this process with little likelihood of detection.

 

A hardware circuit to produce subverted bits can be built on an integrated circuit a few millimeters square. The most sophisticated hardware random number generator can be subverted by placing such a chip anywhere upstream of where the source of randomness is digitized, say in an output driver chip or even in the cable connecting the RNG to the computer. The subversion chip can include a clock to limit the start of operation to some time after the unit is first turned on and run through acceptance tests, or it can contain a radio receiver for on/off control. It could be installed by the manufacturer at the behest of their national signals intelligence service, or added later by anyone with physical access. CPU chips with built-in hardware random number generators can be replaced by compatible chips with a subverted RNG in the chips' firmware.

 

I don't need to quote 10 or more sources, There is always a back door;)

 

OP, my apologies for this getting away from WINNING!

Edited April 16, 2016 by PompeySailor

[riclop]

So can I actually walk out of the casino a winner? We will be on the Navigator in a few weeks and I'm setting aside $100 for the casVino. I don't play and last few cruises didn't even walk through casino since my husband hates them but this time I'm going by myself. Thinking of slots, don't know what else to play. I'm looking for any advice and tips and yes, I'm prepared to stop and walk away:)

 

Very few people win.

[grillinchillin]

The Lottery and Casinos are the ultimate tax on dreams!

[dkjretired]

Ok I will play the source game:D

Let's hope you can keep up with the complexity of this topic.

 

You quote you were a detective

I quote I have a degree in Electrical/Electronic engineering:D

Majored in micro-electronics

 

 

Software RNGs

Just as with other components of a cryptosystem, a software random number generator should be designed to resist certain attacks. Some attacks possible on a RNG include

 

Direct cryptanalytic attack

when an attacker obtained part of the stream of random bits and can use this to distinguish the RNG output from a truly random stream.

Input-based attacks

modify the input to the RNG to attack it, for example by "flushing" existing entropy out of the system and put it into a known state.

State compromise extension attacks

when the internal secret state of the RNG is known at some time, use this to predict future output or to recover previous outputs. This can happen when a generator starts up and has little or no entropy (especially if the computer has just been booted and followed a very standard sequence of operations), so an attacker may be able to obtain an initial guess at the state.

 

Hardware RNGs

A number of attacks on hardware random number generators are possible, including trying to capture radio-frequency emissions from the computer (obtaining hard drive interrupt times from motor noise, for example), or trying to feed controlled signals into a supposedly random source (such as turning off the lights in a lava lamp or feeding a strong, known signal into a sound card).

 

RNG subversion

Subverted random numbers can be created using a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator with a seed value known to the attacker but concealed in the software. A relatively short, say 24 to 40 bit, portion of the seed can be truly random to prevent tell-tale repetitions, but not long enough to prevent the attacker from recovering, say, a "randomly" produced key.

 

Random numbers typically go through several layers of hardware and software before they are used. Bits may be generated in a peripheral device, sent over a serial cable, collected in an operating system utility and retrieved by a system call. The subverted bits can be substituted at any point in this process with little likelihood of detection.

 

A hardware circuit to produce subverted bits can be built on an integrated circuit a few millimeters square. The most sophisticated hardware random number generator can be subverted by placing such a chip anywhere upstream of where the source of randomness is digitized, say in an output driver chip or even in the cable connecting the RNG to the computer. The subversion chip can include a clock to limit the start of operation to some time after the unit is first turned on and run through acceptance tests, or it can contain a radio receiver for on/off control. It could be installed by the manufacturer at the behest of their national signals intelligence service, or added later by anyone with physical access. CPU chips with built-in hardware random number generators can be replaced by compatible chips with a subverted RNG in the chips' firmware.

 

I don't need to quote 10 or more sources, There is always a back door;)

 

OP, my apologies for this getting away from WINNING!

 

Or slot machines, good night

[AdoraBelle]

You guys should really go fight this out on the Vegas forums, they would be eating this up.

 

For the average joe: figuring this out is easy. Set aside $100 on your cruise. Play it on slots. Report your results back here. No fibbing allowed. That one time you happened to hit it big years ago doesn't count for this experiment.

 

No one ever said "hey, I think I'll design a machine that gives people money". What they are selling you is the HOPE that you will win, hence threads like this.

Edited April 16, 2016 by AdoraBelle

[grillinchillin]

I love me some copy and pasters. Slot Machines on ships are not "regulated" like those in the US.

 

It is what it is!

[PompeySailor]

You guys should really go fight this out on the Vegas forums, they would be eating this up.

 

For the average joe: figuring this out is easy. Set aside $100 on your cruise. Play it on slots. Report your results back here. No fibbing allowed. That one time you happened to hit it big years ago doesn't count for this experiment.

 

No one ever said "hey, I think I'll design a machine that gives people money". What they are selling you is the HOPE that you will win, hence threads like this.

 

Totally agree with you, Hope, luck, dreams the big one!

Right place at the right time.

 

Some like to have a go, try to win, enjoy it and be entertained as well

 

10 people in a race, guess what someone has to WIN, don't feel too sorry for the winners, they are few and far between:)

 

It was more of a healthy debate than a fight;)

 

Source > No Source

Goodnight Don

 

Happy Days!

[PompeySailor]

I love me some copy and pasters. Slot Machines on ships are not "regulated" like those in the US.

 

It is what it is!

 

You are correct:)

[dkjretired]

Totally agree with you, Hope, luck, dreams the big one!

Right place at the right time.

 

Some like to have a go, try to win, enjoy it and be entertained as well

 

10 people in a race, guess what someone has to WIN, don't feel too sorry for the winners, they are few and far between:)

 

It was more of a healthy debate than a fight;)

 

Source > No Source

Goodnight Don

 

Happy Days!

 

Let me tell you the story I promised you yesterday which has nothing to do with our discussion but has everything to do with theft and greed. Could have been the perfect crime if he didn't get greedy.

 

This story has been on History Channel and most of the Discovery Channel networks and involves a former employee of the Nevada Casino Control Commission. It occurred I believe in the 90s and his job was to go the various Casinos in the state and check the computer programs to make sure they were operating correctly and paying out the correct percentage. He got the idea to change the program to set up a sequence of pulls on the machine to have it record a win. Might do for example, two coins, one coin, three coins, two coins and then three coins which would then produce a win. Since he was not allowed to play in the casinos he would need accomplices and would have a couple of friends help him out. All he would need to do is fix a couple of machines per casino and he could do this forever and make a nice profit, who would know, he was the guy who checked these things out.

 

Unfortunately, he got greedy and tried to fix some other type of machine and got caught, lost his nice lucrative job and spent a couple of years in jail as they take these things seriously in Nevada.

[George C]

Very few people win.

 

Totally correct but I like to gamble, did a land vacation last year and won 700 in about 15 mins on roulette,. But this was the exception for me at least

[dkjretired]

I love me some copy and pasters. Slot Machines on ships are not "regulated" like those in the US.

 

It is what it is!

 

You are correct to a point, they are not regulated as they are in the US but it does not mean they are not regulated, the cruise lines follow the same regulations as they do in the US and do have an organization.

 

http://dev.cruising.org/regulatory/policies/gambling