in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #601 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) went out to botany bay for a fishing session yesterday and came across this boat , botany bay is a open area provides very little to no cover and can be very dangerous , and many times boats break there mooring as well as some container ships in the past.. this was 20-25 k winds IMG_0327.MOV IMG_0328.MOV Edited January 10, 2020 by in rod we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted January 10, 2020 #602 Share Posted January 10, 2020 So maybe fishing boats shouldn’t be allowed there either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted January 10, 2020 #603 Share Posted January 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, GUT2407 said: So maybe fishing boats shouldn’t be allowed there either. Indeed. The above is a red herring in any case. Sydney Harbour can also get 20-25 knot winds, so: a) Does Rod also want all cruise ships, container ships, ferries, the Navy and so on to stop using Sydney Harbour b) How has that impacted its safety record, and cruise ships in particular as we are talking about? Again, just another example of him trying to create fear, uncertainty and doubt to suit his bias, instead of objectively looking at the true situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #604 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 30 minutes ago, GUT2407 said: So maybe fishing boats shouldn’t be allowed there either. its not a fishing boat its a cruise pleasure craft .. either way id rather see a small craft like that beached than a 6000 passenger oasis class ship stuck or worse tipped on its side .. like the Concordia there is no trawlers in botany bay we brought all them out with a fishing license fee Edited January 10, 2020 by in rod we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #605 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, The_Big_M said: Indeed. The above is a red herring in any case. Sydney Harbour can also get 20-25 knot winds, so: a) Does Rod also want all cruise ships, container ships, ferries, the Navy and so on to stop using Sydney Harbour b) How has that impacted its safety record, and cruise ships in particular as we are talking about? Again, just another example of him trying to create fear, uncertainty and doubt to suit his bias, instead of objectively looking at the true situation. Sydney harbor is protected.. its has many bays and high mountains that protect it from bad winds.. we are not talking about Sydney harbor its botany bay that has no protection at all unless a massive breakwall is constructed you may use as many meanings you want as to why nobody wants it there , fear , bias , nimbysts , but truth of the matter and facts are all out there .. Edited January 10, 2020 by in rod we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #606 Share Posted January 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, GUT2407 said: So maybe fishing boats shouldn’t be allowed there either. I think a cruise ship would be safer than a moored boat as it is always manned and ready for anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #607 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: Sydney harbor is protected.. its has many bays and high mountains that protect it from bad winds.. we are not talking about Sydney harbor its botany bay that has no protection at all unless a massive breakwall is constructed The closest mountain to Sydney harbour would be Mt Druitt wouldn't it. I have climbed it and there wasn't much chance of it stopping any wind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #608 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: I think a cruise ship would be safer than a moored boat as it is always manned and ready for anything. im sure they are , yet you see them crashing into many places and even into another cruise ship.. if a bad wind hit them in the proposed terminal they would be grounded or worse smashed into the current break wall... we had the maritime union of Australia at the meeting told us many times they had to put container ships out to see due to bad winds and at times struggles to save them .. they have said a cruise ship in that part of the bay is way to dangerous .. they even refused entry to a ship a week or so due to smoke haze when planes were taking of at a lower level Edited January 10, 2020 by in rod we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #609 Share Posted January 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: The closest mountain to Sydney harbour would be Mt Druitt wouldn't it. I have climbed it and there wasn't much chance of it stopping any wind. yeah buddy ya better of staying in Canberra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #610 Share Posted January 10, 2020 40 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: im sure they are , yet you see them crashing into many places and even into another cruise ship.. if a bad wind hit them in the proposed terminal they would be grounded or worse smashed into the current break wall... we had the maritime union of Australia at the meeting told us many times they had to put container ships out to see due to bad winds and at times struggles to save them .. they have said a cruise ship in that part of the bay is way to dangerous .. they even refused entry to a ship a week or so due to smoke haze when planes were taking of at a lower level Cruise ships operate a lot differently to container ships, apart from thrusters and such, they also have azipods or propeller bodies that can change direction very easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #611 Share Posted January 10, 2020 39 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: yeah buddy ya better of staying in Canberra Now Canberra does have proper mountains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbenjo Posted January 10, 2020 #612 Share Posted January 10, 2020 51 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: Cruise ships operate a lot differently to container ships, apart from thrusters and such, they also have azipods or propeller bodies that can change direction very easily. You really like stuffing up Rod's stupid irrelevant arguments with logical facts and common sense......don't let the truth get in the way of a good story please.......I can see the reply now ..oh yeh ..and how much toxic sludge will the azipods stir up?? They said at the meeting I went to that azipods stip up more rubbish than Rod ? 😡😡😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted January 10, 2020 #613 Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, in rod we trust said: yeah buddy ya better of staying in Canberra You may be too, with all the hazards that lurk in Botany Bay. I don't know how you've survived so far! Or is it just that fishermen are much better captains and navigators than those on cruise ships? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #614 Share Posted January 10, 2020 5 hours ago, MicCanberra said: Cruise ships operate a lot differently to container ships, apart from thrusters and such, they also have azipods or propeller bodies that can change direction very easily. and they still smash into ports and other ships with that much technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #615 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 hours ago, gbenjo said: You really like stuffing up Rod's stupid irrelevant arguments with logical facts and common sense......don't let the truth get in the way of a good story please.......I can see the reply now ..oh yeh ..and how much toxic sludge will the azipods stir up?? They said at the meeting I went to that azipods stip up more rubbish than Rod ? 😡😡😡 no they said it stirs up more crap than you .. lol your well known for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in rod we trust Posted January 10, 2020 #616 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, The_Big_M said: You may be too, with all the hazards that lurk in Botany Bay. I don't know how you've survived so far! Or is it just that fishermen are much better captains and navigators than those on cruise ships? offcourse we are .. we anglers and then moved on to explorers navigated the world and founded countries .. and yes you live in one of them the only hazard in botany bay is royal carribean and state gov but I doubt that it will be built when we protest in great numbers as planned .. once the climate activist get hold of the pollution they cause they will be there as well and be boycotting royal carribean and other cruise ships who want to destroy any bays around the globe just for there greed might not happen over night but you can bet they will be out there protesting , considering one ship at port emits almost the same as 200, 000 cars a day of toxic greenhouse gases Edited January 10, 2020 by in rod we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #617 Share Posted January 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: and they still smash into ports and other ships with that much technology And we all know that the cargo ships or fishing vessels or even small pleasure craft never have accidents . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #618 Share Posted January 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: offcourse we are .. we anglers and then moved on to explorers navigated the world and founded countries .. and yes you live in one of them LOL, I am pretty sure the ships that came to Australia were not filled with anglers but who knows, perhaps they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #619 Share Posted January 10, 2020 34 minutes ago, in rod we trust said: considering one ship at port emits almost the same as 200, 000 cars a day of toxic greenhouse gases If we got rid of cars in Sydney, think of how many cruise ships we could have here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted January 10, 2020 #620 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: LOL, I am pretty sure the ships that came to Australia were not filled with anglers but who knows, perhaps they were. Well if we go by what we know of Pacific Islander migration, there were definitely fisherman on board to supplement the food supplies for the migrants so one could assume Indigenous Australians perhaps did a similar thing on the way to Australia but to say anglers discovered Australia is probably inaccurate as again if we go by Pacific Islander migration they would normally send a mapping party similar to the Captain Cook voyage where they would map out an area, locating new land masses and then when they came home and gave their report on their findings it would be decided if it is worth sending out colonizing party. The scouts probably did fish to supplement food supplies during their voyages of discovery but they would have been professional sailers and navigators whose sole job was to locate new land, so not anglers who just happen to bump into Australia😉. Edited January 10, 2020 by ilikeanswers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted January 10, 2020 #621 Share Posted January 10, 2020 10 hours ago, ilikeanswers said: Well if we go by what we know of Pacific Islander migration, there were definitely fisherman on board to supplement the food supplies for the migrants so one could assume Indigenous Australians perhaps did a similar thing on the way to Australia but to say anglers discovered Australia is probably inaccurate as again if we go by Pacific Islander migration they would normally send a mapping party similar to the Captain Cook voyage where they would map out an area, locating new land masses and then when they came home and gave their report on their findings it would be decided if it is worth sending out colonizing party. The scouts probably did fish to supplement food supplies during their voyages of discovery but they would have been professional sailers and navigators whose sole job was to locate new land, so not anglers who just happen to bump into Australia😉. Anglers do not use ships, and the pacific islander or indigenous population may have had some large water craft but nothing that would be called a ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted January 10, 2020 #622 Share Posted January 10, 2020 Australian aborigines were not a seafaring people. It is believed they crossed into what is now northern Australia when a land bridge existed to the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare lyndarra Posted January 10, 2020 #623 Share Posted January 10, 2020 36 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: Australian aborigines were not a seafaring people. It is believed they crossed into what is now northern Australia when a land bridge existed to the north. And about 45,000 years before the Pacific Islanders arrived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbenjo Posted January 10, 2020 #624 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 4:17 PM, in rod we trust said: as much as I hate people changing topics in a thread my hat goes of to you and I agree with what you posted 100% … it seems Rodney that you are happy to go off topic IF it suits you.... this is a "discussion" about a new cruise terminal for Botany Bay not about fisherman or Australian history.......stay true to the cause please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted January 10, 2020 #625 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, MicCanberra said: Anglers do not use ships, and the pacific islander or indigenous population may have had some large water craft but nothing that would be called a ship. Their boats carried the same amount of people as Arthur Phillip's fleet along with livestock and whatever was needed to start crop production so I think they qualify as ships just as much as anything the ancient Greeks were using. 29 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said: Australian aborigines were not a seafaring people. It is believed they crossed into what is now northern Australia when a land bridge existed to the north. The land bridge wasn't there forever and there were multiple migrations to Australia so at some point someone had to use a boat to get here and from the evidence that has been discovered in South Africa we know the relationship humans have with the sea began far earlier than originally thought and after they used all the coastal resources they started to experiment with boats in order to keep surviving. So in fact humans may have in fact become seafarers long not long after the first humans left Africa. History keeps being rewritten as we learn knew things 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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