New Carnival "Rowdy Behavior Policy" apparently a joke

[AHS123]

While we're on the subject, I'd like to talk about Carnival shipboard security operations. Other than gangway duty I rarely see security patrolling the decks on Carnival ships. We've all seen the late night brawls in the dance clubs on youtube with security attempting to restore order. Ask yourself how often have you seen a security team member patrolling the hallways on the decks where the sleeping cabins are located monitoring the halls to see if someone left their cabin door open, to record the location of scooters and wheelchairs left in the corridors in violation of the safety rules, or use their nose to be on alert for a potential smoldering fire in a linen closet? I can't think of one time in 28 Carnival cruises that I've seen that happen. Not once.

 

If prevention is worth a pound of cure the security department should focus more on prevention than putting out disturbances on an "as needed" basis. From the example of the OP security can't even do this right and respond to incident reports long after the disturbance is over. 

 

 

[Joebucks]

Oh wow, fights still happen even without liquor bottle sales?

[Super27]

It amazes me how many of you Carnival apologists are defending their handling of the situation that the OP witnessed. There is no excuse for allowing any of the individuals involved in such an incident to remain onboard the ship. They clearly demonstrated that they posed a threat to the safety of others onboard; they should have been detained until the next port and then handed over to the local police.

 

Unfortunately, I don't see Carnival changing anytime soon. Degenerates like the folks that the OP observed have become Carnival's target audience to fill their ships, especially on shorter cruises. Onboard behavior is becoming more and more out of control, and it appears that until someone gets killed (which is sadly eventually GOING to happen) Carnival is content to ignore it.

[Super27]

3 hours ago, AHS123 said:

While we're on the subject, I'd like to talk about Carnival shipboard security operations. Other than gangway duty I rarely see security patrolling the decks on Carnival ships. We've all seen the late night brawls in the dance clubs on youtube with security attempting to restore order. Ask yourself how often have you seen a security team member patrolling the hallways on the decks where the sleeping cabins are located monitoring the halls to see if someone left their cabin door open, to record the location of scooters and wheelchairs left in the corridors in violation of the safety rules, or use their nose to be on alert for a potential smoldering fire in a linen closet? I can't think of one time in 28 Carnival cruises that I've seen that happen. Not once.

 

If prevention is worth a pound of cure the security department should focus more on prevention than putting out disturbances on an "as needed" basis. From the example of the OP security can't even do this right and respond to incident reports long after the disturbance is over. 

 

 

 

On my last couple cruises I actually have seen security actively patrolling public areas, especially the Lido deck. It appears that they are trying to deter the type of massive brawls that have received media attention, because they have maintained a fairly visible presence during the day near the pools. But at night in other areas of the ship where obnoxious drunks tend to congregate (outside the bars, the casino, the comedy club) you rarely if ever see much security presence. And I agree, they almost never seem to patrol the interior hallways. They certainly weren't around to intervene in the multiple fights that I saw or heard in the halls outside cabins on my last cruise. The gentleman who was slamming another gentleman's head into my cabin door at 2am certainly didn't seem to be concerned with being caught...

[BlerkOne]

I can't believe some are attempting to defend the actions of a racist drunk, the true degenerate.

[EngIceDave]

4 hours ago, audcc77 said:

I guess I’m in the minority.  
 

IMO, there is no excuse to physically assault another person if that person is just using WORDS.  The dealer should have told the drunk to move along and then call security when the drunk started harassing people at the table.
 

Violence is never the answer. 
 

 

 

You are both right and wrong. People have their limits. If someone started publicly verbally attacking your child with derogatory comments and racial slurs, you would do nothing? This is on a cruise ship, you really can't run away and has been stated, staff didn't do anything to stop Jimmy McRacist.

You don't know what he said and or what triggered them. Maybe Veterans and he started talking sh#t about veterans or war in general.

 

It's easy to say "never"

But there are always exceptions to every "never"

[EngIceDave]

4 hours ago, audcc77 said:

I guess I’m in the minority.  
 

IMO, there is no excuse to physically assault another person if that person is just using WORDS.  The dealer should have told the drunk to move along and then call security when the drunk started harassing people at the table.
 

Violence is never the answer. 
 

 

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Edited November 27, 2022 by EngIceDave

[Super27]

7 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

I can't believe some are attempting to defend the actions of a racist drunk, the true degenerate.

 

Where do you see anyone defending the actions of the drunk? Because I can't find a single post in this thread that is defending him. He was out of line, as were the other 4 individuals involved in this situation, which is why they all should have been put off the ship.

[EngIceDave]

13 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

I can't believe some are attempting to defend the actions of a racist drunk, the true degenerate.

They're not defending, only saying don't beat the snot out of them?

[Super27]

2 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

 

 

You are both right and wrong. People have their limits. If someone started publicly verbally attacking your child with derogatory comments and racial slurs, you would do nothing? This is on a cruise ship, you really can't run away and has been stated, staff didn't do anything to stop Jimmy McRacist.

You don't know what he said and or what triggered them. Maybe Veterans and he started talking sh#t about veterans or war in general.

 

It's easy to say "never"

But there are always exceptions to every "never"

 

While there may be "exceptions," there are also consequences for bad decisions. Everyone in this situation had a decision to make and they all made the wrong one. The drunk guy should have left the blackjack players alone, especially when told to do so by the casino staff. The blackjack players should have just cashed in their chips, got up, and walked away. 

 

Personally, do I feel sorry for the drunk/racist guy? Absolutely not. But that doesn't change the fact that Carnival has a duty to provide for the security of all onboard, and they failed in their duty by allowing individuals who already demonstrated themselves to be willing to engage in disruptive and violent behavior to remain onboard.

[EngIceDave]

We don't know what happened behind the scenes. They very well may have had a nice talking to with the security folks, understanding but firm in "don't pull that again"

 

We all only have a few frames of a full movie

[BlerkOne]

6 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

We don't know what happened behind the scenes. They very well may have had a nice talking to with the security folks, understanding but firm in "don't pull that again"

 

We all only have a few frames of a full movie

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

[EngIceDave]

5 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

and that info came from my nieces brother's best friend's cousin, of course it's right

[ColeThornton]

13 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

 

 

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet"

 

          ~  Abraham Lincoln, 1895.

[mz-s]

21 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

 

Considering Carnival is the line that has been in the news the most over the past year or so for fights on their ships, one so bad the Coast Guard had to escort the ship into port, it's entirely believable.

[Beave8920]

20 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

Ya know Mr Blerk, you don't know me well enough to call me a liar.  But to make you feel self worthy, I'll share with you that people like you are the exact reason I rarely post on CC.  This used to be an informative and responsible forum for sharing information.  But people like you ruin it.

[mz-s]

12 minutes ago, Beave8920 said:

Ya know Mr Blerk, you don't know me well enough to call me a liar.  But to make you feel self worthy, I'll share with you that people like you are the exact reason I rarely post on CC.  This used to be an informative and responsible forum for sharing information.  But people like you ruin it.

 

Next time you have to film the fight and post it on YouTube. They'll still deny it, but at least they'll look even more foolish for doing so.

[BlerkOne]

45 minutes ago, Beave8920 said:

Ya know Mr Blerk, you don't know me well enough to call me a liar.  But to make you feel self worthy, I'll share with you that people like you are the exact reason I rarely post on CC.  This used to be an informative and responsible forum for sharing information.  But people like you ruin it.

I never said you were but that is a fine example of a misleading statement.

[BlerkOne]

35 minutes ago, mz-s said:

 

Next time you have to film the fight and post it on YouTube. They'll still deny it, but at least they'll look even more foolish for doing so.

Cameras aren't allowed in the casino, allegedly.

[audcc77]

1 hour ago, EngIceDave said:

You don't know what he said and or what triggered them.

Doesn’t matter.  
 

I’m sticking with my opinion.  
 

It is more difficult to hold your temper than to attack someone physically in retaliation to mere words.  
 

That’s what separates the men from the boys.   😉

 

[ObstructedView2]

Hi @Beave8920🙂

 

Thank you for your account of such a disturbing incident. I feel that Carnival should've disembarked (all involved) at the next port with police waiting. Everyone fined & banned.

 

The outcome would've certainly been different if the drunk passenger, or one of the men in the other party died as a result from the altercation.

 

There is no excuse for this type of behavior from anyone involved. 

 

 

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[oyme]

Wow, there's a lot to unpack here. I never said OP shouldn't share their observation but there's a lot of opinions OP and I do not share, clearly. As I said, I wouldn't have stayed to see how it ended, and I think that's the point of my comment. I am being accused of belittling OP, or at least that's how it seems but apparently it's okay for a few of you to make sort of passive-aggressive comments that I feel are belittling to me. Again, at least that's how it seems. You don't like what I say so all of the sudden I am belittling someone and thus deserve to ... be belittled? ok.

 

That aside, while violence is never the answer some people might be more deserving than others and that's what people are getting at. If some ordinary dude were just walking around and minding their business and then bam all of the sudden a bunch of guys start beating on him it's just another ball of wax than if some guy was pestering people and gets beaten on. Security should be more active in both scenarios but at the end of the day they made their decision and while it's not backing up the new no tolerance policy I think a few of us are saying we just see both sides. 

 

I'm a Libra so I tend to try and see both sides of any given situation and not just be quick to make a rash decision on a situation. Wild, I know. I wish more people were like me and quite frankly at least a few of us exist who refuse to conform to conventional thought processes.

 

I am not here to start a fight, just to be clear. You guys are welcome to your opinions. I FEEL I DESERVE THE SAME. You thought I was being disrespectful but that was you reading between the lines, an assumption. I would kindly appreciate you not being disrespectful towards me based on your assumptions.

 

What I will say with all of the recent fights on Carnival it seems a lot of people like to watch the drama unfold. If everyone just left as soon as these fights started that would be super helpful on so many levels. Not to say OP was enjoying the drama unfold, but why stay to watch? I am making a general statement that less people should be sticking around to watch. 1) It helps security to get in there and not have gawkers around in their way. 2) In some of these cases the people in these fights are feeding on all the attention they're getting... and finally 3) It's safer for everyone to get out of there. Obviously if security is unaware simply find them and point them in the direction of the fight. I'm not saying otherwise but no need to be a spectator.

Edited November 27, 2022 by oyme

[jam19872016]

This thread is a perfect mirror of the crime problem in certain cities across this country. These thugs had their feelings hurt so their actions are justified.

 

Wrong! It was not self defense. It was aggravated assault. A felony in reasonable jurisdictions and should be treated as such. 

 

My last two booze cruises since this new policy was implemented had a very large and noticeable security presence constantly. They had drug dogs at embarkation and I noticed almost no weed smell around the ship.

 

There was also almost no bad behavior which I've come to expect out of miami booze cruises. 

 

This was on Sunrise and I'm disappointed that other ships have not stepped up the way this ship has I thought Carnival was taking it seriously but apparently not.

[ProgRockCruiser]

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Well, we really only have one, unverified story of something that allegedly happened on a cruise and we all know that everything on the Internet is true, complete, and unbiased.

 

3 hours ago, Beave8920 said:

Ya know Mr Blerk, you don't know me well enough to call me a liar.  But to make you feel self worthy, I'll share with you that people like you are the exact reason I rarely post on CC.  This used to be an informative and responsible forum for sharing information.  But people like you ruin it.

 

2 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

I never said you were but that is a fine example of a misleading statement.

You are right; you never explicitly said so. But it was certainly there for everyone to infer. 

[Drew B 58]

Personally, based on the information we have here, I would not have taken the actions of the blackjack players as posing a threat to other passengers.  I would have THANKED them for protecting other guests from the racist drunk and doing the job that Carnival security failed to do…