Daily grats....what are the inside tips on changing or adjusting these??

[Haljo1935]

1 minute ago, Kelownabccan said:

Thanks.....Somehow I turned into the bad guy asking a reasonable question.......wow....one question and the world falls apart.....actually my wifes like to give more but that is not what most people think.....and does not want to stand in those big line ups.....to each there own I guess....

I feel ya - ask me how I know the process and timing for having them adjusted. Seriously though, your wife does need to wait for them to hit the statement, which is usually around day 3, then go to Guest Services. It's a very quick process, so just have her pick a time when the lines are short and she'll accomplish her goal w/o the kick-in-the-teeth last day mob. Also FWIW, never had attitude from GS doing an adjustment. Oh, she will need your card or you'll need to go w/her as each person has to do their own. 

Safe travels - enjoy your cruise!

[Elaine5715]

2 hours ago, vswan said:

I prefer to prepay my gratuities and leave them on. A question though, if I tip bar staff $1 per drink, how do they know that I left my gratuities on and that the money doesn't need to go into the pool?

 

1 hour ago, mz-s said:

 

You've discovered the flaw in the tipping pool logic that some on here play ostrich to. But no matter in your case. Automatic gratuities aren't distributed to bar staff anyways because they get 18% of all bar purchases.

What flaw?  The guest list contains who prepays, who hasn't and who pulls them and are posted in crew areas.  Those who prepaid is on the embarkation list with your picture so stewards can identify you.  Guest Services people freely share who removed them and what stories are told to justify.  

All bar transactions are recorded first by server folio and then by guest folio.  Servers also assigned to bars.  When I Made enters my mojito (he does not enter a price, he enters cocktail type) , and Ada makes it at the casino bar, the computer knows exactly that I have CHEERS, my receipt says $0.00 and the $1 I write in is allocated to I Made.  If I order a Lemon Drop sitting at the Alchemy Bar and I write in $1, the computer knows the tip goes to the Alchemy team.  

[BlerkOne]

2 hours ago, mz-s said:

 

You've discovered the flaw in the tipping pool logic that some on here play ostrich to. But no matter in your case. Automatic gratuities aren't distributed to bar staff anyways because they get 18% of all bar purchases.

You seem to contradict yourself. In any event, there is no flaw. Bar services and room service are optional and aren't included. But you do raise an interesting subject. Gamblers who get free drinks and those who purchase Cheers aren't charged a gratuity each beverage. Sure the waitstaff gets a small tip, but nothing close to 18%. Therefore you should ALWAYS tip per drink.

Edited February 1 by BlerkOne

[Elaine5715]

15 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

You seem to contradict yourself. In any event, there is no flaw. Bar services and room service are optional and aren't included. But you do raise an interesting subject. Gamblers who get free drinks and those who purchase Cheers aren't charged a gratuity each beverage. Sure the waitstaff gets a small tip, but nothing close to 18%. Therefore you should ALWAYS tip per drink.

A huge complaint by gamblers is that they get poor service in the casino when they have "free" drinks.  Tipping makes all the difference plus when you stay put after ordering and watching for your server helps.  Those poor servers can't tell guests apart from the back of their heads

[PayneAS]

26 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Gamblers who get free drinks and those who purchase Cheers aren't charged a gratuity each beverage. Sure the waitstaff gets a small tip, but nothing close to 18%. Therefore you should ALWAYS tip per drink.

Those who purchase Cheers pay the 18% gratuity when they purchase the package, so they've already paid 18% in advance. Whether or not it is an equitable 18% I'm not even gonna delve into but it isn't like they didn't tip at all. 

The Drinks on Us is supposedly paid for by the cruiseline and they would be paying the gratuity (one hopes). 

[BlerkOne]

20 minutes ago, PayneAS said:

Those who purchase Cheers pay the 18% gratuity when they purchase the package, so they've already paid 18% in advance. Whether or not it is an equitable 18% I'm not even gonna delve into but it isn't like they didn't tip at all.

The Drinks on Us is supposedly paid for by the cruiseline and they would be paying the gratuity (one hopes). 

Those who purchase Cheers are paying a gratuity on the package, not on a drink. Obviously the more they drink, the less per drink the gratuity breaks down to. Ask any bartender how it works.

 

Drinks on Us is a marketing gimmick to bribe gamblers. Tipping definitely influences service.

[PayneAS]

9 minutes ago, BlerkOne said:

Those who purchase Cheers are paying a gratuity on the package, not on a drink. Obviously the more they drink, the less per drink the gratuity breaks down to. Ask any bartender how it works.

You edited your post after I responded to it so I decided to do some mathing. (You originally said something along the lines of Cheers people don't pay gratuity, and you probably mistyped or didn't mean it that way but it changes the meaning of my previous response).

Going with a basic 5 day cruise at 69.95 per day amounts to 349.75 then the 18% of that is 62.96.

Then, let's say that the person drinking makes their 15 drinks every day for 5 days (poor liver), that's 75 total drinks. 62.96 divided by 75 drinks is equal to $0.84 per drink (nearly $1 which is what I've seen many a person claim to tip per drink). Then remember that there are potentially thousands of people (on Excel class) who possibly have the drink package. Or at least hundreds (on Conquest class). So it isn't a pittance for the bar staff. 

And for people like myself who may only drink 6 drinks a day that's a whopping $2.10 gratuity per drink. 

Or the people who get overgenerous when they are drunk and tip even if they are on the package/dou. 

[BlerkOne]

4 minutes ago, PayneAS said:

You edited your post after I responded to it so I decided to do some mathing. (You originally said something along the lines of Cheers people don't pay gratuity, and you probably mistyped or didn't mean it that way but it changes the meaning of my previous response).
 

The line I edited was

"Therefore you should ALWAYS tip per drink. "

So much for your assumption and it changed nothing.

 

Cheers covers drinks up to $20 I believe. 18% of $20 could be up to a $3.60 tip per drink.

 

[DallasGuy75219]

1 hour ago, Elaine5715 said:

Tipping makes all the difference plus when you stay put after ordering and watching for your server helps.

Not recently when there are only 2 or 3 servers at times in the evenings. I tip cash with every DOU drink and some nights on the Glory last month there was not a server to be found at some times.

Edited February 1 by DallasGuy75219

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, PayneAS said:

Those who purchase Cheers pay the 18% gratuity when they purchase the package, so they've already paid 18% in advance. Whether or not it is an equitable 18% I'm not even gonna delve into but it isn't like they didn't tip at all. 

The Drinks on Us is supposedly paid for by the cruiseline and they would be paying the gratuity (one hopes). 

The casino does pay a small gratuities (negotiated less than the CHEERS amount which makes sense since the casino isn't paying retail on their comp drink packages)  with the DOU package into the tip pool so the hustling casino waiters make out better with folks charging each individual drinks at 18% of that drink price.  As been discussed 100x the Cheers 18% is $9.00ish per day and that goes into the tip pool.  

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, PayneAS said:

You edited your post after I responded to it so I decided to do some mathing. (You originally said something along the lines of Cheers people don't pay gratuity, and you probably mistyped or didn't mean it that way but it changes the meaning of my previous response).

Going with a basic 5 day cruise at 69.95 per day amounts to 349.75 then the 18% of that is 62.96.

Then, let's say that the person drinking makes their 15 drinks every day for 5 days (poor liver), that's 75 total drinks. 62.96 divided by 75 drinks is equal to $0.84 per drink (nearly $1 which is what I've seen many a person claim to tip per drink). Then remember that there are potentially thousands of people (on Excel class) who possibly have the drink package. Or at least hundreds (on Conquest class). So it isn't a pittance for the bar staff. 

And for people like myself who may only drink 6 drinks a day that's a whopping $2.10 gratuity per drink. 

Or the people who get overgenerous when they are drunk and tip even if they are on the package/dou. 

The tip on a 2 $5 lattes should be $2.  That is not a whop anything.  That $62.96 is divided between about 1000 crew who worked about 80 hours, not the whole $2.10 to the 6 crew who served you.  84 cents is not nearly $1, that is 16% short. 

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, BlerkOne said:

Those who purchase Cheers are paying a gratuity on the package, not on a drink. Obviously the more they drink, the less per drink the gratuity breaks down to. Ask any bartender how it works.

 

Drinks on Us is a marketing gimmick to bribe gamblers. Tipping definitely influences service.

Funny how I never have a problem getting multiple drinks following my three commandants- tip, watch, don't move.  

[sparks1093]

The beauty of tipping pools, from an employee's perspective, is that the law of averages works in their favor. So with Cheers it undoubtedly works out in the crew's favor (if it did not then Carnival wouldn't be able to retain their staff). The beauty of Carnival's system is that the crew gets to keep any additional tip they receive over and above the daily amount/Cheers amount.

 

I suspect in most land based establishments all tips go into the pool, so if you leave a little extra for your waitress (let's say 20% instead of 18%) that goes into the pool as well. (There may be some establishments that separate it out but that seems like an admin nightmare so probably not.)

[DallasGuy75219]

12 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

I suspect in most land based establishments all tips go into the pool, so if you leave a little extra for your waitress (let's say 20% instead of 18%) that goes into the pool as well. (There may be some establishments that separate it out but that seems like an admin nightmare so probably not.)

No, outside of cruise lines most tipped employees keep their own tips, but in a some cases they are required to "tip out" a percentage of their sales to employees who would not normally be tipped by guests, such as hostesses, bussers, and runners in a restaurant. 

[sparks1093]

9 minutes ago, DallasGuy75219 said:

No, outside of cruise lines most tipped employees keep their own tips, but in a some cases they are required to "tip out" a percentage of their sales to employees who would not normally be tipped by guests, such as hostesses, bussers, and runners in a restaurant. 

Yes, that is also a common form of tipping but many establishments also pool the tips. (Many bars as well, that tipping jar is divided among the bar staff...as no doubt are the tips that are left via credit card.) I suspect that the most common method is employees keep their own tips, but pooled tips are also common. 

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, sparks1093 said:

Yes, that is also a common form of tipping but many establishments also pool the tips. (Many bars as well, that tipping jar is divided among the bar staff...as no doubt are the tips that are left via credit card.) I suspect that the most common method is employees keep their own tips, but pooled tips are also common. 

Correct, when several bartenders cover one bar and wait stations, those tips are "pooled" or split between those bartenders and waiters tip out bartenders.    Otherwise, waiters would never get drinks.  

[mz-s]

For some reason tipping makes people obsess with how much and how people are paid. The practice needs to die.

[sparks1093]

Just now, mz-s said:

For some reason tipping makes people obsess with how much and how people are paid. The practice needs to die.

Maybe, maybe not but until the employees that work for tips and the companies that use them want to end the practice, it won't end. I have no trouble with tipping and once I've left a tip I no longer care what happens to it. There have been times where I probably tipped someone who was making more than I made at that point in my life, but I still gave them a tip because they earned it.

[Elaine5715]

1 minute ago, mz-s said:

For some reason tipping makes people obsess with how much and how people are paid. The practice needs to die.

Notice that it is centered around vacation destinations?  I am spending "want" funds to people receiving "need" funds.  Or is it because people don't think they will ever see those folks again?  

[mz-s]

7 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Notice that it is centered around vacation destinations?  I am spending "want" funds to people receiving "need" funds.  Or is it because people don't think they will ever see those folks again?  

 

We all work for money and we all need money or we wouldn't work. But nobody obsesses over how much the medical crew or the people who check you in at the pier, or the cashier at the grocery store at the beach are paid, or how often they're paid, etc.

[sparks1093]

16 minutes ago, mz-s said:

 

We all work for money and we all need money or we wouldn't work. But nobody obsesses over how much the medical crew or the people who check you in at the pier, or the cashier at the grocery store at the beach are paid, or how often they're paid, etc.

They may not obsess over it as much, but I have certainly seen some obsessing over those folks as well.

[PayneAS]

11 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

The tip on a 2 $5 lattes should be $2.  That is not a whop anything.  That $62.96 is divided between about 1000 crew who worked about 80 hours, not the whole $2.10 to the 6 crew who served you.  84 cents is not nearly $1, that is 16% short. 

Except supposedly (according to previous comments) the gratuity paid to bar staff is only divided out among them, not amongst the entire crew. And (in the case of Conquest class ships for example) 1000 crew of a total 2000 crew is not all barstaff. And again, as I mentioned in a previous comment, I'm not arguing that they shouldn't be tipped more or given fairer wages. I was responded mainly to wherever someone said that those with Cheers don't pay gratuity, because they do, even if it is a measly 84 cents per drink. 

[mz-s]

12 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

The tip on a 2 $5 lattes should be $2.  That is not a whop anything.  That $62.96 is divided between about 1000 crew who worked about 80 hours, not the whole $2.10 to the 6 crew who served you.  84 cents is not nearly $1, that is 16% short. 

 

You think there are 1000 bar crew on a Carnival ship? I know they have a bar every 10 feet on most ships, but they don't even have that many cabin stewards and the largest department on the ship is the hotel department.

[KarlK]

On 1/29/2024 at 8:37 PM, notscb said:

Yes. You can go to guest service sat anytime and change/modify/add/remove to your hearts desire, as with on any other line.

exactly! I remove then pay cash to whom I see fit though out the cruise. Some receiving only after the week. I rarely use MDR so daily tipping there is a waste. Some cruises I drink, others I do not, so bartenders may or may not receive. Plus I have had some bad room keep in the past, VERY rare, but it has happened. I like having the control who gets my hard earned money

Edited February 1 by KarlK

[mz-s]

Just now, KarlK said:

I like having the control who gets my hard earned money

 

As is your right.