John Heald Update on Legend Schedule Due to Bridge Collapse in Baltimore

[aborgman]

31 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Refunds for a cancelled flight were always available, might be "store" credit but it was refunded.

 

1) Airline credit IS NOT a refund. Literally not a refund under the law.

2) In the past you were owed a credit if your flight was cancelled. Now you are owed a refund if your airline cancels or significantly changes your flight.

[firefly333]

I think it's actually lucky the ships involved were out to sea. So much worse if they were stuck in baltimore and cant get out. 

[PattyADifer]

Got the email for April 15 TA to Barcelona. Will be signing up for bus transport Baltimore to Norfolk (5 hrs). Requires a whole lot less changes in our itinerary.

[SRF]

On 3/28/2024 at 12:16 AM, ldubs said:

 

Would a flight be an option?  Can't be more than an hour between Baltimore and Norfolk.  

1 hour. Southwest out of BWI or American out of DCA  

 

both have early flights for same day.   We booked Sat and will have a couple of evenings to enjoy the Norfolk Water Side area.  When life gives lemons…….

[Calgon1]

Key Bridge clearance height was 185’. Hopefully, when they rebuild her, they’ll make her tall enough for larger ships to clear at high tide (Oasis Class is 240’ above the waterline).

[notscb]

5 hours ago, Calgon1 said:

Hopefully, when they rebuild her, they’ll make her tall enough for larger ships to clear at high tide

Not to belabor the point (it's been made in several other threads), the Key bridge was just one of three that ships need to clear to get out of Baltimore. The next bridge out is 186' clearance, so  no chance that we'll be seeing bigger cruise ships anytime soon.

 

Plus, you have to consider road grade and engineering guidelines set by the DOT. To raise a bridge by that much, you'd have road grading issues with the existing structure (the undamaged portion of road that still exists on both sides of the span).

Edited March 30 by notscb

[jimbo5544]

6 hours ago, Calgon1 said:

Key Bridge clearance height was 185’. Hopefully, when they rebuild her, they’ll make her tall enough for larger ships to clear at high tide (Oasis Class is 240’ above the waterline).

That would a huge increase in height.  

[JMAE]

This info is posted on the Norfolk Cruise Terminal webpage regarding upcoming cruises scheduled to use their facility.

  

2024

While rescue and remediation efforts continue in Baltimore Harbor following the collapse of the Key Bridge, Carnival and Royal Caribbean will temporarily move cruises from Baltimore to Norfolk.

 

If more cruises are moved, we will post the information when it becomes available.

 

March 2024

March 31: 7-night Bahamas & Caribbean cruise on Carnival Cruise Line. Round-trip from Norfolk to Grand Turk (Turks & Caicos), Half Moon Cay (Bahamas) and Freeport (Bahamas).

 

April 2024

April 4, 2024: 8-night Bahamas & Florida cruise on Royal Caribbean. Round-trip from Norfolk to Port Canaveral (Florida), Grand Bahama Island (Bahamas), Nassau (Bahamas) and Perfect Day at CocoCay (Bahamas).

April 7, 2024: 7-night Bahamas & Caribbean cruise on Carnival Cruise Line. Round-trip from Norfolk (Virginia) to Grand Turk (Turks & Caicos), Princess Cays (Bahamas) and Nassau (Bahamas).

April 12, 2024: 8-night Bahamas & Southeast cruise on Royal Caribbean. Round-trip from Norfolk to Charleston (South Carolina), Port Canaveral (Florida), Grand Bahama Island (Bahamas) and Nassau (Bahamas).

April 15, 2024: 12-night cruise to Spain on Carnival Cruise Line. One-way cruise from Norfolk to Barcelona (Spain). Stops at Ponta Delgada (Azores), Malaga (Spain) and Alicante (Spain).

[tidecat]

On 3/30/2024 at 11:23 AM, Calgon1 said:

Key Bridge clearance height was 185’. Hopefully, when they rebuild her, they’ll make her tall enough for larger ships to clear at high tide (Oasis Class is 240’ above the waterline).

There is another bridge between the Key Bridge and the open ocean with a virtually identical clearance, so it might be a very long time before ships that large dock in Baltimore. But if you have to rebuild a bridge, you might as well make it future-proof.

[JMAE]

Based on some reports officials are attempting to open multiple temporary channels to reestablish some port ops.  They report two have been opened already open 11' & 14' deep and a third is in the works and will be about 25' deep.  Spirit class ships have a draft is about 26'.   

[Butterbean1000]

On 3/29/2024 at 12:31 PM, firefly333 said:

I think it's actually lucky the ships involved were out to sea. So much worse if they were stuck in baltimore and cant get out. 

Excellent point.  If this was the case, we would be having an entirely different conversation.

[diasek]

On 3/27/2024 at 6:06 PM, Lizard13 said:

The drive will be difficult. Maybe some may opt for Amtrak from Norfolk to Baltimore.  Much more relaxing, but will need to Uber to parking garage from Penn Station or airport train terminal once in Baltimore.    The Norfolk Amtrak station is a 6 min ride or about a 30 minute walk along the riverfront.  

Yes, this is our plan. Train times are somewhat limited, so you may need to go the night before. The hotel we booked is a 6 minute walk to the cruise terminal. 

[grimpil]

So if the Pride draft is 25.5 feet would a 35 ft channel be sufficient for a safe passage. Is 25 foot draft measured on a fully loaded ship? 

[tidecat]

5 hours ago, grimpil said:

So if the Pride draft is 25.5 feet would a 35 ft channel be sufficient for a safe passage. Is 25 foot draft measured on a fully loaded ship? 

The draft should be measured on a ship at full capacity (passengers and crew) including fuel and provisions/cargo. The people on board would be about 650,000 pounds, which makes a difference of less than a foot given the ship is about 10,000,000 cubic feet in volume.

[chengkp75]

8 hours ago, grimpil said:

So if the Pride draft is 25.5 feet would a 35 ft channel be sufficient for a safe passage. Is 25 foot draft measured on a fully loaded ship? 

The "reported" draft of a ship is the maximum draft.  Most ships are required by their company's SMS code to have an underkeel clearance of about 3 meters so this channel may be adequate, depending on tides and the actual depth found. The posted depth of channel varies with time, increasing with dredging and decreasing due to silt/debris. 

[SRF]

5 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

The "reported" draft of a ship is the maximum draft.  Most ships are required by their company's SMS code to have an underkeel clearance of about 3 meters so this channel may be adequate, depending on tides and the actual depth found. The posted depth of channel varies with time, increasing with dredging and decreasing due to silt/debris. 

 

If the depth is constrained by damaged steel beams, I would want a fudge factor.  A bit different running into the jagged end of an I-beam and a mud bottom. 😄
 

[JMAE]

Per CCL the Pride's max draft is 26". 

 

[JMAE]

On the Unified Command web page, they updated the Response Progress Graphic which showed all in progress this morning and now shows the limited channels is clear on the surface and subsurface.  Also, on JH FB page he said be patient.