Carnival lost my daughter from Camp Carnival

[GreenZolie]

Nothing "snarky" about it.

 

But, your response to her was "clever", was it not? Was your intent to help sherrybaby rethink her approach to protecting her daughter, or was the manner in which you presented it intended to show your clever and superior knowledge of life?

[mom2tcdx2]

My first thought is if the child was asked to leave because they were not feeling well I think they should have tried to somehow page the parents. The parent stated the child didn't feel well, then was confused of what to do and I think the staff at CC could have been a bit more helpful.

 

My kids first cruise was on the Caribbean Princess they were 11, 8 at the time. Neither liked the kids group and barely went in there. My children did however quickly learn the floor number they were on, cabin number, and they remembered which colored carpet they were on (Princess has different colors on each side). I know a few times they went around on their alone, mostly from the lido deck to our cabin and back. They also knew where the arcade was located.

 

My daughter tells me the thing she likes most about the cruise this coming December is that she will be able to come and go as she likes from the kids area. I basically had to sit her down and explain that she still will need to locate me when she leaves or go back to the cabin and leave me a note. She also has asked to take our walkie-talkie type radio if she goes to the CC so that she can reach me and let me know if she leaves, etc. I will definately take them along and hope that they will work. My biggest worry with her though is the pools as she likes to think she swims perfectly fine (which she doesn't do bad but she sometimes gives herself too much credit), she feels she doesn't need an adult to go to the pools with her. The waterslides I don't worry as much about.

[80sramfan]

Nope, not everyone has the mental capacity, can go for free or have the military pay. That's a blanket statement. Anyway, "starting" college and "graduating" are two different things. An article in our newspaper yesterday said only about HALF of students who begin college fulltime obtain a bachelor's degree within six years. But we're off subject now aren't we?

 

You need to learn to read. I said everyone "who" has the mental capacity, Below I mention working (I know a bad word in this free loader economy). Perhaps that so many dropout is attributed to helicopter parents that have left their kids with no coping skills

[GreenZolie]

Most do. Some don't. ;)

 

LOL, good point.

 

I admit I am a pollyanna and believe strongly in the power of kind words. As well as the power of gentle persuasion vs in your face persuasion. I find that the act of sharing one's own opinions gets far better results than forcing one's opinions coupled with rude criticism of the other person's opinions. Just the way I prefer to live life. :)

[80sramfan]

But, your response to her was "clever", was it not? Was your intent to help sherrybaby rethink her approach to protecting her daughter, or was the manner in which you presented it intended to show your clever and superior knowledge of life?

 

Both

[JerseyshoreBruce]

My thoughts are that I could grab any adult let alone a child and pull them into my cabin. With that said no matter how well you prepare your children for this it could easily happen. Therefore I keep my kids close unless they are in a group of kids with at least one being 16 or so. Call me cautious but my kids will be here to live another day. I am sure alot of the adults responding to this post could pull a child in with no problem. Once they are gone there are no what ifs. Sorry for anyone thinking im too careful.;)

[LemurCat]

LOL, good point.

 

I admit I am a pollyanna and believe strongly in the power of kind words. As well as the power of gentle persuasion vs in your face persuasion. I find that the act of sharing one's own opinions gets far better results than forcing one's opinions coupled with rude criticism of the other person's opinions. Just the way I prefer to live life. :)

 

Nothing wrong with that. But then again, you also understand the difference between sharing an opinion and turning everything into an argument that must be won at all costs. There are some around here that don't always remember that.

[GreenZolie]

Both

 

Well, at least you are honest. But like I said, your well intended advice was lost in the presentation. You would get far better results helping people if you were more interested in genuinely helping them, than in showing how clever you are.

 

But, as usual in these circumstances, I find myself slipping down the same slippery slope, so I shall stop with my own criticism lest I fall prey to the very thing I oppose.

 

Have a good day. :)

[Kurbanfan]

My thoughts are that I could grab any adult let alone a child and pull them into my cabin. With that said no matter how well you prepare your children for this it could easily happen. Therefore I keep my kids close unless they are in a group of kids with at least one being 16 or so. Call me cautious but my kids will be here to live another day. I am sure alot of the adults responding to this post could pull a child in with no problem. Once they are gone there are no what ifs. Sorry for anyone thinking im too careful.;)

 

I agree! Why is it when I am on a ship with 3,000 people or a hotel with 2,000 rooms that every time I walk down the hallways to the room........it seems most the time nobody is in those hallways but me.....I get the heebie jeebies everytime.........

 

When I was 16 I was fearless;) It would not have bothered me then........I know I would have let my guard down back then.....

[Luckysll]

Things that make you go "hmmm".....like the little ":D" that the OP added to the bottom of their post. Wouldn't a ":mad:" be more appropriate if this really happened?

 

Maybe the ":D" is there either as a "gotcha" to the rest of us or the OP is seeing $$$ signs thinking about the pending lawsuit their last statement implies.

 

Either way, something doesn't seem right here.

[Perfect Stranger]

You need to learn to read. I said everyone "who" has the mental capacity, Below I mention working (I know a bad word in this free loader economy). Perhaps that so many dropout is attributed to helicopter parents that have left their kids with no coping skills

 

My bad. Excuuuse me. I was reading quickly because I AM at work, i.e., not a freeloader, if that's what you're implying. If you're a college grad then good for you.

[80sramfan]

My bad. Excuuuse me. I was reading quickly because I AM at work, i.e., not a freeloader, if that's what you're implying. If you're a college grad then good for you.

 

free loader was not aimed at you. I don't know you. It was aimed at society as a whole where everyone is looking to be bailed out or get a free ride from the govt

[Perfect Stranger]

All right, why don't we stop the bickering. :)

[5o'clocksomewhere]

All kids are not created equal.......all parents are not created equal.........everyone knows what is best for thier own kids regardless of the imperfect world we live in.........

Making sure your child is not alone roaming the decks on a cruise ship or anywhere else with 3,000 strangers is not going to stunt their mental or physical capacity when they get older..........good god:rolleyes:

[Crusin6]

One word...Supervise your Kids!!! ;)

The child was being supervised...by Camp Carnival. Just not wisely.

[GTO-Girl]

I wasn't referring to anyone in particular but I will reply to you. :D

 

Being around here (on CC) for a while, you start to see some pretty heinous crimes reported. So I have to disagree that things can't happen on a cruise ship.

 

Just some things off the top of my head, some guy asked some young kids to come into his cabin. He (according to the report) forced them to do sexual things to one another. Afterward they left immediatly and reported the incident to their parents.

 

Another, a child pornographer was arrested coming off a ship (it was RCCL). The authorities had gone to his home to arrest him, he was on a ship, so they just waited for him at the terminal.

 

Another, two boys in a ship's hot tub reported that a man got into the hot tub with them and started touching them.

 

And how risky would it be? You grab a child. Do whatever. And throw them off the balcony? How could they prove which one of the 2,000 passengers it was?

 

Just because its a ship, doesn't mean predators stay home. :(

 

I totally agree with you.......it's really sad some people can be so naive. My husband has been in law enforcement for 30 years, please believe that things can happen anywhere. It is up to us to protect our children!

[Crusin6]

All kids are not created equal.......all parents are not created equal.........everyone knows what is best for thier own kids regardless of the imperfect world we live in.........

Making sure your child is not alone roaming the decks on a cruise ship or anywhere else with 3' date='000 strangers is not going to stunt their mental or physical capacity when they get older..........good god:rolleyes:[/quote']

But the posters here would flame a parent for NOT allowing a kid to roam free....saying the parent was too overprotective. Then they would say "where are the parents?" as soon as that kid crossed their path.:rolleyes:

 

Let me tell you, based on my own feelings, a family that plays together......is better off!!!

[GOLDENBONNY]

Maybe I am wrong,but CCL work till 10?after that ist paid time?so if you knew that,why you did not bother to pick up your kid?they wrong to let go you DD,but why you did not bother?

[5o'clocksomewhere]

But the posters here would flame a parent for NOT allowing a kid to roam free....saying the parent was too overprotective. Then they would say "where are the parents?" as soon as that kid crossed their path.:rolleyes:

 

Let me tell you, based on my own feelings, a family that plays together......is better off!!!

 

Those are what I call "my kids can do no wrong" parents:p

You can teach a smart child pretty much anything.......but in the end they still have a childs brain;):D

[jks336]

first off, i think they should have notified you, what ever the reason but especially if they said she felt sick, then call the parents! 2nd, to the person who made reference that the child must have been "coddled" etc how ever you want to say it, thats a bit out of line as yes, a 10yr old shouldn't be as scared but remember they are ONLY 10. they are in an unfamiliar place, its big and confusing to even adults.

[Rowan555]

Just curious what some of you think of the fact that Camp Carnival has 4 or 5 unsupervised activities for 9 - 11 year olds where the kids go around the ship in groups of 2 or 3 to complete various games and scavenger hunts - many of which involve interacting with adult crew and passengers to get answers to the questions?

[Kurbanfan]

Just curious what some of you think of the fact that Camp Carnival has 4 or 5 unsupervised activities for 9 - 11 year olds where the kids go around the ship in groups of 2 or 3 to complete various games and scavenger hunts - many of which involve interacting with adult crew and passengers to get answers to the questions?

 

I would have no problem with that.......as long as they are not alone.....

[poobears]

Just curious what some of you think of the fact that Camp Carnival has 4 or 5 unsupervised activities for 9 - 11 year olds where the kids go around the ship in groups of 2 or 3 to complete various games and scavenger hunts - many of which involve interacting with adult crew and passengers to get answers to the questions?

 

I personally don't like it but anyone that takes their kids should know about the activities planned. Mine will just skip those and stay with me. I'd prefer them not running around the ship on a scavenger hunt.

[GreenZolie]

But the posters here would flame a parent for NOT allowing a kid to roam free....saying the parent was too overprotective. Then they would say "where are the parents?" as soon as that kid crossed their path.:rolleyes:

 

LOL, I was thinking the same thing. This phenomenon also happens when we see parents reprimanding their children in public. If the child is unruly and the parent takes strong measures to control the child, everyone witnessing it thinks the parent is a monster. But, if the parent did nothing, everyone would think the child is the biggest brat in the world, and why isn't that parent doing something to control it? It's a no win situation for parents.

 

What the public really wants is for all children to be perfectly behaved so none of us has to be subjected to either the unruly behavior, or the strong measures to control said behavior. ;)

 

This also applies to how we think a parent is being too hard on a child when they attempt to make them mind, but when we ourselves are in charge of the same child without the parent around, we find ourselves wanting them to mind, too, and we don't usually think we are being too hard on the child. :o

[lady_cruiser]

My oldest, when only five, would have marched herself to the nearest crew member and asked for help. Yet I know a 13 year old today who would most definitely sink to the deck and cry hysterically, and not ask for help.

 

But keeping with the thought of preparing your kids, on our first cruise, our dd14 and dd12 went to Circle C. We actually took them ourselves - every time - and waited until a counselor acknowledged that they were joining the activity. We made sure the girls - and often the counselor, too - knew where we were going to be. If we decided to leave that place, one of us waited in the original spot while the other went to tell the girls where we were going.

 

In the evening, if one wanted to go to Circle C and the other didn't, my husband went to pick the single girl up from the evening activity and walk her back to the cabin.

 

Fine but what happens if that crew member isn't to be trusted? Just asking.