Botox at Sea?

I recently tried Botox on the Crown Princess and had horrible result, droopy eyelid!!! Anyone ever had this problem and should I complain to Princess? I feel lied to by their doctor and lied to by Princess!

Was this done by the spa? If so you will find that they are an independant contractor and not direct employees of the cruise line.

I would go to see my own doctor to see if permanent damage was done.

I recently tried Botox on the Crown Princess and had horrible result, droopy eyelid!!! Anyone ever had this problem and should I complain to Princess? I feel lied to by their doctor and lied to by Princess!

Welcome to cruise critic. Take pictures for documentation. See your doctor for his opinion. If the doctor feels that permanent damage was done or if he feels that someone goofed then I would notify the cruiseline. They can provide you with the Spa companies name and you can proceed from there.

This is the best reason why no one should ever go through a procedure like Botox on a cruise ship. You have no idea who's doing the procedure and if they're even qualified.

Unfortunately, you have no standing against Princess. You most likely signed a waiver forgiving Princess of any responsibility. Heck, they make you sign a waiver for regular spa services.

This is the best reason why no one should ever go through a procedure like Botox on a cruise ship........

.... or dry land .... or in an airplane ..... or .....

.... or dry land .... or in an airplane ..... or .....

...for a medically valid reason ( yep, it's not just used for vanity)

Why anyone would do a medical treatment on a ship is beyond me! Botox, teeth whitening, or other medical things should NEVER be done by anyone other than an approved medical professional that you know and trust.

That said...botox isn't permanent. In about 3 months, the effects will wear off...unless they've damaged a nerve, it will reverse itself.

You need to consult a lawyer ASAP because your cruise ticket may limit liabiilty even for independent contractors & it may limit where you can make a claim. It usually also shortens the time you have to make a complaint.

See your primary doctor at home to deal with the medical issues.

Contact a lawyer immediately just to protect yourself.

Understand you probably signed something before the proceedure. It is also unlikely that the proceedure was performed by a doctor but rather was done by somebody who may have gone to cosmotogolgy school if you are lucky.

I hope for your sake that the process is reversible.

I would just let Princess know - if they get complaints from others, they may not to renew the contract.

I remember on one of the ships I went to a Botox lecture. They started the procedures 3 days before the end of the cruise.

That was a smart move on their end, as the result of injections should've been visible 3 days after the procedure(s). I thought it's genious on their end, no responsibilities at all.

Why would anyone do anything like this to themselves without checking references? In your town you have at least Yelp. Here on the ship you are helpless, at their "doctors" mercy.

HAL tried this a couple of years ago - it didn't go over.

It was done by one of the spa ladies who was supposed to have been a specialist in this --- if you believe that.

I also wouldn't do teeth whitening on a ship by them.

If I were you, I would get to a doctor and see if there is any damage or the possibility of a future health issue.

Then write Princess a letter and tell them what happened - just for the record. They need to know about these things.

Recently had 2000 worth of treatments of restaylane and juvederm on a cruise. Big mistake. It's been less than a month and most all the item the doctor fixed are back. Also a benefit of double eyelids now. After research , I find its caused by bad or too much injections. First time I ever had Botox and a very expensive lesson. I will only go to A highly qualified doctor in my hometown. Do not go to the spa on a ship for Botox. Ever..

I have sympathy for OP and hope that the problem is reversible. I also hope that the OP continues talking about it and writes letters to newspapers, TV talk shows, etc. Sure, it will be embarrassing to go public about being so incredibly stupid as to get that sort of a treatment from an "aesthetician" or whatever the hell they call themselves on ships, but it might help warn other stupid people about thinking before they let unknown people with unidentified capability inject poison into them. Botox is a strain of the botulism toxin which kills quickly.

Why do you think there aren't Botox counters in your local shopping mall?Most civilized jurisdictions have rules to protect the stupid from themselves. Yes, licensed, qualified medical personnel can apply Botox safely, but what qualifications do you seriously believe spa personnel have?

Sure, see about getting a lawyer - but I'm willing to bet that the cruise line is protected from being held liable for acts of independent contractors who happen to ride their ships, and I'm also inclined that OP also signed a pretty comprehensive release.

Finally, see a real doctor to see what, if anything, you can do to minimize the risk of permanent damage.

I have sympathy for OP and hope that the problem is reversible. I also hope that the OP continues talking about it and writes letters to newspapers, TV talk shows, etc. Sure, it will be embarrassing to go public about being so incredibly stupid as to get that sort of a treatment from an "aesthetician" or whatever the hell they call themselves on ships, but it might help warn other stupid people about thinking before they let unknown people with unidentified capability inject poison into them. Botox is a strain of the botulism toxin which kills quickly.

 

Why do you think there aren't Botox counters in your local shopping mall?Most civilized jurisdictions have rules to protect the stupid from themselves. Yes, licensed, qualified medical personnel can apply Botox safely, but what qualifications do you seriously believe spa personnel have?

 

Sure, see about getting a lawyer - but I'm willing to bet that the cruise line is protected from being held liable for acts of independent contractors who happen to ride their ships, and I'm also inclined that OP also signed a pretty comprehensive release.

 

Finally, see a real doctor to see what, if anything, you can do to minimize the risk of permanent damage.

OMG! Normally I don't laugh out loud, even when reading ones that are supposed to be funny, but you made my night. :D Truer words have never been spoken. Thankfully I did NOT have a drink in my mouth at the time.

I have had both Botox and dermal fillers done by a highly qualified cosmetic dermatologist for the past twelve years - on land. Informed consent is primary to injection. When I first saw cruise ship spas offering this "dis-service" I attended a presentation...for laughs. My first question to the provider was, "What are your medical qualifications and how long have you been doing this procedure." The spa doctor told me she participated in a web training session, but two weeks prior to being hired by the spa sub contractor, she was delivering babies somewhere is Southeast Asia. She and I had a few words, that pretty much emptied the room of potential victims.

When I returned home, I shared this "cosmetic" rejuvenation info with my dermatologist staff. They were shocked to find that it was even being offered due to the potential for serious complications that can arise a week or more after the procedure. People attend Botox parties and 5-7 days later find facial irregularities that require intervention by real, qualified doctors.

Sorry you learned the hard way to avoid medical procedures at sea. Get yourself to a qualified cosmetic dermatologist who has extensive experience in similar procedures. It will take time for the muscles to come back.

What next? Colonoscopy at sea?

Darcy

I have had both Botox and dermal fillers done by a highly qualified cosmetic dermatologist for the past twelve years - on land. Informed consent is primary to injection. When I first saw cruise ship spas offering this "dis-service" I attended a presentation...for laughs. My first question to the provider was, "What are your medical qualifications and how long have you been doing this procedure." The spa doctor told me she participated in a web training session, but two weeks prior to being hired by the spa sub contractor, she was delivering babies somewhere is Southeast Asia. She and I had a few words, that pretty much emptied the room of potential victims.

 

When I returned home, I shared this "cosmetic" rejuvenation info with my dermatologist staff. They were shocked to find that it was even being offered due to the potential for serious complications that can arise a week or more after the procedure. People attend Botox parties and 5-7 days later find facial irregularities that require intervention by real, qualified doctors.

 

Sorry you learned the hard way to avoid medical procedures at sea. Get yourself to a qualified cosmetic dermatologist who has extensive experience in similar procedures. It will take time for the muscles to come back.

 

What next? Colonoscopy at sea?

 

Darcy

Good post and well said!

I recently tried Botox on the Crown Princess and had horrible result, droopy eyelid!!! Anyone ever had this problem and should I complain to Princess? I feel lied to by their doctor and lied to by Princess!

....but look on the bright side.....now you qualify for a part on the up-coming T.V. show "Real Housewives of the Princess Cruise Lines". Now if you could somehow get a spot on "TMZ" you're in like flint....;):D

This is the best reason why no one should ever go through a procedure like Botox on a cruise ship. You have no idea who's doing the procedure and if they're even qualified.

 

Unfortunately, you have no standing against Princess. You most likely signed a waiver forgiving Princess of any responsibility. Heck, they make you sign a waiver for regular spa services.

....WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU RE-USED THE INJECTION NEEDLES TO SAVE MONEY????.......:eek::eek::eek:

In the vast majority of cases, the droopy eyelid thing reverses itself. Usually over several weeks but sometimes it takes a couple months. I have read of cases where it was permanent, but it is not typical (I am not a doctor; this is information I have gleaned from research and may or may not be accurate).

I have botox injections by a neurologist to help with chronic pain resulting from a previous neurosurgery. She does this all the time for opthalmologic and neurologic (she is bd cert in both specialties) issues. The droopy eyelid results in the injection being made too low in the brow area: the chemical spreads after the injections and if it is too close it impacts the brow and eye. It has actually happened to me; thankfully it has corrected itself. Once it took a couple weeks, the other, worse time, closer to a month. In my case the majority of shots (about 30) are in the scalp and temple area under my hair, but there are a couple nerves she has to hit and one is closer to my eye.

One way to help prevent the issue is to not touch your face for at least several hours after the injections. The process hurts (duh :-)) and the instinct to massage or rub the skin can spread the botox further. If it happens to be in the forehead that is one way droopy eye can happen. I leave the office with strict orders not to touch my face at all but it is hard not to.

This was awfully long-winded, but in short, don't ever have it done by someone who isn't a physician. Never have it done on a moving vehicle- no matter how smooth the seas seem- who knows what could happen?! The shots need to be done precisely for just this sort of reason and a ship can rock. And always know who is giving it and what their qualifications are.

This is a wonderful medication (it gives me a couple weeks of pain free days when without the shots I am in severe pain every day), but it needs to be used with care.

Why anyone would have a medical procedure on a cruise ship is beyond me! What were you thinking?

Do NOT do Botox, or teeth whitening or any other "medical" thing in a resort, or ship....silly!

I actially met one of the Doctors on the cruise...he was a qualified doctor from the USA and his prctice was in Florida. Best bet is to find out who is doing the procedures on your ship.

I don't understand the whole need to inject one's face with Botulism Toxin in the first place, but that is just me. My veterinarian told me once the vaccine he uses on my horse is almost the same as what they use for Botox injections in humans (I think he uses a modified live vaccine, but would have to look it up). My horse weighs 1400 lbs. and botulism can be deadly under the right conditions. Why would I put something in my body that could kill me let alone a animal that size?

However, if you want to have it done, I would think a qualified practitioner would be key. It also seems that should you have complications, you would want to have some certainty of protection from the clinic. A cruise ship contract employee that may not be there next week? No thank you!

I actially met one of the Doctors on the cruise...he was a qualified doctor from the USA and his prctice was in Florida. Best bet is to find out who is doing the procedures on your ship.

Was this doctor doing the Botox or the Restylene, or was he the resident doctor in the medical center on board? Just because they are a doctor does not make them qualified to do this type of thing.

Even IF the person/doctor is qualified and you have verified that, what do you do if there are any problems or complications when you get home? Best bet is not to do it on a ship.

I actially met one of the Doctors on the cruise...he was a qualified doctor from the USA and his prctice was in Florida. Best bet is to find out who is doing the procedures on your ship.

Yes the DOCTORS are qualified. But they work in the medical center - the botox injections are not done by the doctors but by the spa employees.

My husband was treated by a doctor on a ship. She was very professional. But he was sick not wanting his wrinkles removed.

Here's another issue about botox no one mentioned so far: someone taking a needle to your face on what's essentially a giant moving vehicle. If the ship hits a rough patch or a swell, and their hand jerks, there could be trouble. But in that case, the worker doing the botox and the cruise line are protected by a bunch of waivers, as well as by being on a non-US-flagged ship. You are not protected, or at least not without a very expensive lawyer.