Breaking news: Carnival legend collides with rccl ship!

[moandbo]

I can take some pictures on Saturday when we get on. We won't have a laptop with us, so I wouldn't be able to post anything until we get back. I could email someone a picture from my iPhone before we leave, I suppose, if there is anyone that interested. :)

[planocruiser3]

Still, I wish some passenger on the Legend had been as quick with the camera and the up-loading--now that we know no one was injured, I'm rather selfishly more interested in the damage to the Enchantment.

 

Have you checked the Carnival message boards? There may be some photos or more information from passengers currently on the Carnival Legend.

[snausman]

I can take some pictures on Saturday when we get on. We won't have a laptop with us, so I wouldn't be able to post anything until we get back. I could email someone a picture from my iPhone before we leave, I suppose, if there is anyone that interested. :)

 

 

That would be great and when you get home just post them. Thank you:)

[ORB]

I am sailing at after you or after the first b2b. If you thing of it could you come back and tell us what is the damage to the Enchantment. I am so glad everyone is ok but would love to know the damage to the Enchantment.

 

From your sig list, we'll be on her together--we are on the Oct 8 and 12 sailings. Still, if this thread is still active and the point isn't completely moot, I'll post what we see when I get back.

 

I've been watching the Carnival thread as well--most of them have come by here to see the pictures, but there aren't any new ones over there yet. I suspect we can find some within a day after the Legend cruise ends. Not everyone would have the wherewithal or the inclination to put their pics on-line from the Ship. Maybe someone will even have a video...

[cruiseREF]

Sue, take those Spin to Win coupons to the casino and you will correct that deficiency in no time flat. Keychains are practically guaranteed.;)

 

We have been spinning those useless things every single time, and not once won a single thing. Not even a key chain.

:)

[tip]

Not really. Someone is just protecting their COPYRIGHT rights. In this day and age of technology people seems to forget that individuals still have a right to their own work. If you want to use their work you usually just have to ask permission (in writing) and give credit to them. They certainly can charge a fee if they so desire.

 

 

Anf if the same photos appear in a newspaper, we'll know that someone was trying to make some money!;)

[sasysutler]

i HAVE FRIENDS ON THE ENCHANTMENT AS WE SPEAK, BUT HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM YET.

[planocruiser3]

Anf if the same photos appear in a newspaper, we'll know that someone was trying to make some money!;)

 

I am not sure why you would make that assumption. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. :confused:

 

I don't know a whole lot about journalism but it is my understanding that photos must be released to media outlets with permission before media outlets are allowed to print them. I don't believe that most reputable media outlets pay for photos.

[coxswain]

Not true at all.....

 

"Pilot

In maritime law, a person who assumes responsibility for a vessel at a particular place for the purpose of navigating it through a river or channel, or from or into a port.

The captain, or master, of a large ship has total command in the high seas. However, when a ship enters or leaves a port, or enters a river or channel, the captain turns over navigation to a local pilot. Because of safety and commercial concerns, state and federal maritime law governs the licensing and regulation of pilots.

A docking pilot directs the tugboats that pull a ship from the pier. Once the ship has cleared the pier and is under way in the harbor, the docking pilot leaves the ship and turns navigation over to a harbor pilot. Every ship that enters and leaves a port must have a harbor pilot aboard. Once the ship reaches open water, a small boat picks up the harbor pilot and returns the pilot to port. The captain then resumes full command of the ship.

The harbor pilot must have a thorough knowledge of every channel, sandbar, and other obstacle that could run the ship aground, strike another ship, or cause an accident that would endanger the ship, its crew, its cargo, and any passengers on board. The pilot must also be an experienced sailor who knows how to maneuver a ship through crowded harbors.

Either the state or federal government licenses pilots to ensure that vessels will be prop-erly operated in state and U.S. waters. Federal law requires that federally registered pilots navigate ships on the Great Lakes, and state law regulates the need for pilots in bays, inlets, rivers, harbors, and ports. Where the waters are the boundary between two states, the owner of the ship can hire a pilot who has been licensed by either state to navigate the vessel to and from port.

State and federal laws impose qualifications for a pilot's license. A pilot must have the highest degree of skill as a sailor and may be tested on that knowledge. The individual may be required to submit written references from persons for whom he or she has served as an apprentice. In addition, the applicant must obtain a reference from a licensed pilot. The pilot may also be required to post a bond.

Once licensed, the pilot must act in a professional manner. A license can be revoked or suspended for adequate cause, such as when the pilot has operated the ship while intoxicated. The pilot has the right to appeal to a court an administrative body's decision to deny licensure or to impose discipline.

The legal rights and responsibilities of the harbor pilot's action in navigating vessels are well settled. The pilot has primary control of the navigation of the vessel, and the crew must obey any pilot order. The pilot is empowered to issue steering directions and to set the course and speed of the ship and the time, place, and manner of anchoring it. The captain is in command of the ship except for navigation purposes. The captain can properly assume command over the ship when the pilot is obviously incompetent or intoxicated.

The pilot must possess and exercise the ordinary skill and care of one who is an expert in a profession. A pilot can be held personally liable to the owners of the vessel and to other injured parties for damages resulting from negligence that causes a collision. The pilot will be responsible for damages if his or her handling of the ship was unreasonable, according to persons of nautical experience and good seamanship, at the time of the accident. The negligence of a pilot in the performance of duty is a maritime tort within the jurisdiction of a court of admiralty, which deals only with maritime actions."

 

 

 

 

Pilot only advises he is never in charge !!

 

 

 

 

 

jj.....

[As the ship sails]

I am not sure why you would make that assumption. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. :confused:

 

I don't know a whole lot about journalism but it is my understanding that photos must be released to media outlets before media outlets are allowed to print them. I don't think that reputable media outlets pay for photos.

 

Actually to be honest I don't think your comment about the photos being copyrights of Greg Land would stand anyways. They were originally posted with no rights attached and also posted on facebook so they are already available to the public with no copyright attached.

[planocruiser3]

Actually to be honest I don't think your comment about the photos being copyrights of Greg Land would stand anyways. They were originally posted with no rights attached and also posted on facebook so they are already available to the public with no copyright attached.

 

I did not ever say they were copyrighted. I said they were taken by Greg Land and that if you would like to publish them you should get his permission. It was my mistake for posting them here. I would have removed them but these message boards do not allow you to remove your post after a certain amount of time.

 

But I agree, the photos are in the public domain so why would any news outlet pay for them as "tip" has suggested?

[reallyitsmema]

I did not ever say they were copyrighted. I said they were taken by Greg Land and that if you would like to publish them you should get his permission. It was my mistake for posting them here. I would have removed them but these message boards do not allow you to remove your post after a certain amount of time.

 

But I agree, the photos are in the public domain so why would any news outlet pay for them as "tip" has suggested?

I was very nice of you to share your friends pictures with us. If he was trying to make money off of this situation, he never would have posted them on Facebook. I know you were just trying to give credit where credit was due when you posted your friends name and that people should obtain his permission. Ignore the naysayers, no good deed goes unpunished around here.

[wolfganghowell]

Another rumor is that RCI will rescind their scissors ban, therefore enabling fellow passengers to defend the ships against Carnival pizza pirates.

 

GREATNESS. :D :D

 

Geez, leave plano cruiser alone, people. He satisfied all our curiousity by posting his friends photos and then realized that his friend technically owns the rights and tried to the right thing for his friend. And if he decides to sell the photos to the media, where is the harm in that? It's a perfectly accepted journalistic practice to purchase interesting photos from the general public. I know, I am connected to the industry. It's not as if it's a papparazzi shot. He has every right to be paid for the photos if they are deemed worthy by media outlets.

 

I too am pleased the damage is minimal and will withhold judgement on the captain/pilot until we get more information. But I certainly wouldn't want to BE either one of them for the next few weeks. Ouch...

[Let'sGo!]

Put it to bed!!!

Thank you Planocruiser3 for putting up the pictures!

 

I can tell you... If someone puts pictures on Facebook, MySpace, etc... then they are fair game for rebroadcast. Trust me.

 

If the owner of the photo wants to copyright them, then they have the option of putting a copyright directly on the photo (you'll see that sometimes - people put a "watermark" directly on the photo).

 

Word to the wise - if you don't want it out there for the world to see, then don't put it out there for the world to see. This includes photos and what you say.

 

I have 20+ years as a journalist. The media reprints pictures people put on their social network sites all the time. A recent example was the case of the Yale student who was brutally murdered just before her wedding. The photos of her that were broadcast all over the newstories about here came from her Facebook page. And everyone who said the media won't pay for photos is for the most part correct. Most REPUTABLE outlets won't pay, but will usually give photo credit.

 

So Plano did right - he gave credit where credit was due, and did nothing wrong. Quit giving him/her grief!

 

Just my educated 2 cents... now back to your regularly scheduled topic!

[wolfganghowell]

Thanks Texas Ann. I can't believe people are being nasty to someone who simply wanted to share some interesting details. All he was trying to do was cover for his friend in case he made a boo boo. But then I guess some people have never acted hastily in excitement. ;)

[Bruin Steve]

I have it on good authority that the following is what actually happened:

 

The Carnival ship did not veer off course due to "high winds", though something, or somebody, else may have been "high"...

 

Carnival made a crucial error in scheduling the "hairy legs" contest, wet T-shirt contest (the Captain was there and came in second in the Wet t ) and a 2-for 1 Bud beer promotion ALL at the same time and ALL on the port side of the ship...

 

4,000 passengers all rushed over to the port side at once, 2,000 of them regurgitating over that port side railing (that is why the photos all show a large number of Carnival poassengers at the railing), resulting in an "alcohol slick" on the water on that side of the ship...

 

The combination of the extra weight on the port side together with the change in viscosity of the water on one side of the ship caused the ship to veer off to the port side...

 

Carnival passengers were angry since that "breaking of glass" sound was a combination of those few railing panels as well as thousands of beer bottles and souvenir rum punch glasses. Carnival compensated by giving passengers free "Carnival Party Animal" T-shirts suitable for wearing as Formal Night attire...

[tomko2]

Another cutback? Have they rigged the Spin to Win machine to give out fewer keychains?:D

 

LOL!:D

 

No worries. I left enough money in that casino to fund free key chains for a year.:o

Kathy

[snausman]

LOL!:D

 

No worries. I left enough money in that casino to fund free key chains for a year.:o

Kathy

 

Kathy that was so nice of you..thanks:D:D

[aurelius180]

I have it on good authority that the following is what actually happened:

 

The Carnival ship did not veer off course due to "high winds", though something, or somebody, else may have been "high"...

 

Carnival made a crucial error in scheduling the "hairy legs" contest, wet T-shirt contest (the Captain was there and came in second in the Wet t ) and a 2-for 1 Bud beer promotion ALL at the same time and ALL on the port side of the ship...

 

4,000 passengers all rushed over to the port side at once, 2,000 of them regurgitating over that port side railing (that is why the photos all show a large number of Carnival poassengers at the railing), resulting in an "alcohol slick" on the water on that side of the ship...

 

The combination of the extra weight on the port side together with the change in viscosity of the water on one side of the ship caused the ship to veer off to the port side...

 

Carnival passengers were angry since that "breaking of glass" sound was a combination of those few railing panels as well as thousands of beer bottles and souvenir rum punch glasses. Carnival compensated by giving passengers free "Carnival Party Animal" T-shirts suitable for wearing as Formal Night attire...

 

 

Thanks so much for the laugh! You're always very creative!! :D:p:D

[planocruiser3]

Yes, but you posted the pics to a public forum. There-by giving up all wrights to the photos. You gave all wrights to the forum owners. Not smart. Nothing like being the first one to post. Think before you post.

 

Joan_al, I have mentioned several times that I did not have rights to the photos and in hindsight I regret posting them. In addition, I was not the first to post in this thread. I posted several hours after I originally saw the photos which was several hours and pages into this thread so I am not sure what you mean about being first one to post.

 

I posted asking others not to publish them without permission of the person who took them to try to rectify the situation, not as a legal maneuver but as a plead for common courtesy. Silly me to think there might be common courtesy on a message board. :rolleyes:

[TBSCruiser]

Joan_al, I have mentioned several times that I did not have rights to the photos and in hindsight I regret posting them. In addition, I was not the first to post in this thread. I posted several hours after I originally saw the photos which was several hours and pages into this thread so I am not sure what you mean about being first one to post.

 

I posted asking others not to publish them without permission of the person who took them to try to rectify the situation, not as a legal maneuver but as a plead for common courtesy. Silly me to think there might be common courtesy on a message board. :rolleyes:

 

There are plenty of us on here who are very courteous, please don't let the few who are giving you a hard time scare you away.

[Texas Teen]

:eek: :eek: :eek: WOW! :eek: Are there any pictures of Enchantment's damage??? :eek:

[GregD]

:eek: :eek: :eek: WOW! :eek: Are there any pictures of Enchantment's damage??? :eek:

 

There is a good chance that the Enchantment OTS suffered very very little as it was the stationary vessel.

[xeonpro]

Enchantment was in belize today right? Im sure we'll see some photos from passengers tonight

[xeonpro]

...Looking at this picture again, it looks like the guy with the black suit on is a ship photographer, anyone agree?

 

Would make for some unique souvenir photos, or insurance claim photos lol!