Objection to Tuxedos and Gowns?

[sail7seas]

We've had a number of comments about folks who object to lack of jacket and tie for gents and reasonably dressy clothing for ladies on formal night but I wonder if there are some who actually object to seeing tuxedos and gowns?

 

Are they so uninterested in requested dress code they would far rather not have to see tuxedos and gowns at all during their cruise?

 

I'm not being facetious, I'm really curious if some people have totally had it with dress codes?

[Druke I]

Personally, I think tuxes and cocktail dresses are fine, with gowns perhaps a bit over the top.

 

On the other hand, I do like Oceania Cruise Lines' "Country Club casual" dress code, which greatly simplifies the packing process.

[maha123]

We've had a number of comments about folks who object to lack of jacket and tie for gents and reasonably dressy clothing for ladies on formal night but I wonder if there are some who actually object to seeing tuxedos and gowns?

 

Are they so uninterested in requested dress code they would far rather not have to see tuxedos and gowns at all during their cruise?

 

I'm not being facetious, I'm really curious if some people have totally had it with dress codes?

 

We love seeing Formal wear on our cruises and will never complain about the dress code on HAL.

 

I really think that if you so object to seeing it or adhering to the dress code rules then you should cruise on another line... Sorry, just my opinion

[slimknyzer]

Personally speaking, we feel that, part of the cruise experience, are the formal nights. While I do not own, nor do I intent to obtain, a tux...a nice suit will suffice. It is always nice to see folks "dress up" for special occasions. For those who don't feel the "dress code" should apply anymore.....then..... I say, to each his own! As for us....we look forward to the ambiance and, most of all, FUN! There is always the Lido deck as an alternative... LOL

[love to cruz]

Anyone seen the recent Carnival TV ad. A man in shorts, rolled up shirt & flip-flops dancing like he is rather inebriated? No tuxes or dressing up required there.

Personally I feel class will tell, especially on a cruise ship.

[navybankerteacher]

We've had a number of comments about folks who object to lack of jacket and tie for gents and reasonably dressy clothing for ladies on formal night but I wonder if there are some who actually object to seeing tuxedos and gowns?

 

Are they so uninterested in requested dress code they would far rather not have to see tuxedos and gowns at all during their cruise?

 

I'm not being facetious, I'm really curious if some people have totally had it with dress codes?

 

I believe you have a point - there is a sort of reverse snobbery in play;

in which some people take a perverse pride in dressing down - and quietly (sometimes not so quietly) resenting those who do not support them by joining them.

[anniegb]

Personally, I think tuxes and cocktail dresses are fine, with gowns perhaps a bit over the top.

 

On the other hand, I do like Oceania Cruise Lines' "Country Club casual" dress code, which greatly simplifies the packing process.

 

 

Azamara have a similar policy and it works very well!

[Mary Ellen]

I believe you have a point - there is a sort of reverse snobbery in play;

in which some people take a perverse pride in dressing down - and quietly (sometimes not so quietly) resenting those who do not support them by joining them.

I had an experience with this on our last cruise. Apparently I was too dressed for another passenger's taste on a 'smart casual' night. I was wearing black slacks, black & while print shell with a black linen swing jacket. FAR from formal, but I still met with her vocal disdain. :rolleyes:

[iancal]

I do not have a problem with it whatsoever. However, I think it extremely unreasonable to expect that this dress standard be carried over to all parts of the ship including show lounges, casino, etc. In practice though it is not because this would be entirely unenforceable even if HAL did decide to enforce their own rules-which they appear not to be so inclined to do. When we eat in the MDR on formal nights we are dressed accordingly. Having said that it does not bother us in the least if others at our table, on in the MDR are not dressed in a similar fashion. In fact, we could really care less how they are dressed as it has no impact on our enjoyment of the evening.

 

We typically cruise in the winter months in order to get away from the snow and catch some sun. Our preference would be no formal evenings. Having said that, there are many other positive attributes of HAL and a few other cruise lines that continue with them. If we do not take jacket, tie, etc, we simply eat in the Lido. Even when we dress for dinner in the MDR, we typically change after dinner and wear our casual clothing for the remainder of the evening. For those that cruise on Celebrity from time to time, you will find that Celebrity does not impose the formal evening dress standard outside of the MDR

[Randyk47]

We love seeing Formal wear on our cruises and will never complain about the dress code on HAL.

 

I really think that if you so object to seeing it or adhering to the dress code rules then you should cruise on another line... Sorry, just my opinion

 

Gets my vote! :)

[taxmantoo]

We love seeing Formal wear on our cruises and will never complain about the dress code on HAL.

 

I really think that if you so object to seeing it or adhering to the dress code rules then you should cruise on another line... Sorry, just my opinion

 

Gets my vote! :)

 

Add our vote alsio !

[Jade13]

I had an experience with this on our last cruise. Apparently I was too dressed for another passenger's taste on a 'smart casual' night. I was wearing black slacks, black & while print shell with a black linen swing jacket. FAR from formal, but I still met with her vocal disdain. :rolleyes:

 

What the heck did this pax say? What did you say? Yikes.

[COLLEYBERRY]

I cannot imagine what kind of person would make a derogatory remark to someone( they don't know ) on their attire (should they be under or over dressed.)

How someone else dresses has no beatring on my choice of outfit and how I dress should be no concern of theirs (short of wearing a bathrobe to dinner;))

My smart casual may be someone's idea of "code acceptable" formal and my idea of formal maybe over the top to some.....

I dress to please myself and one other person....the rest are of no consequence to me.

[artistann]

We love seeing Formal wear on our cruises and will never complain about the dress code on HAL.

 

I really think that if you so object to seeing it or adhering to the dress code rules then you should cruise on another line... Sorry, just my opinion

 

I agree - On our 24 day European Cruise on Oosterdam, it was so exciting to see people really go all out in Venice for the Masked Ball- women with beautiful gowns and men in tuxes. Most every night people dressed up -

except for the one young lady we saw in MDR with short shorts - quite a scene. On a Panama cruise on Zuiderdam we have a lovely photo of our group (all in formal dress) on the atrium staircase - I doubt if it would have looked so smashing if we were in casual clothes. On the other hand,

while on a long cruise in S. pacific we choose the Windstar cruise line so

we could be more casual but even there , evenings some men wore sportjackets. HAL should still try to adhere to a dress code -since they

dropped the jacket and tie for other nights, everyone should be happy.

[woodofpine]

People that wear clothing on cruises or ashore are TOTAL ANIMALS!! :D And I'll tell it to their face, especially a woman, shapely with long legs... :D

[GrammieK]

Mary Ellen,

I would think that with the outfit you described, you would look great no matter what the dress code designation! Some people...

[fann1sh]

Like MaryEllen, I've had adverse comments while actually aboard ship on my or my family's formal and smart casual dress by those less dressed.

 

One insulted my fragile 80something mom who has Alzheimer's. Fortunately, she didn't seem to hear or understand the remark. However, that vicious slur has affected my posts on the subject of dress codes. I apologize to any I've offended on such threads if I've been harsh due to that experience.

 

Of the many here who don't care for formal dress, almost all are polite and rational, would never dream of making a personal comment. I think/hope that's true of those fond of formal dress as well.

 

However, both sides have a scandalous vocal minority who will cross the line and comment in public.

 

Because I do follow the dress code, I've never run into the "pro-dress-up boors" or "the hairy eyeball". However I can vouch for the fact the "slob snobs" are increasingly aggressive in person, and that those who don't verbally accost have their own version of "the hairy eyeball". These dress code idiots are worse than the "fake coughers" (I'm a non-smoker who's offended by them.)

 

I don't think a single person will admit here to being offended by the sight of tuxes or gowns, because that would seem politically incorrect. However, based on recent posts and threads, I suspect many people don't care to know those who dress up for formal night, because they believe they are likely to be unpleasant, or snobs.

 

However sad it may be that people are judged by appearance and dress, it has always happened, and always will. The only thing that changes is the "correct" dress they are judged against.

[navybankerteacher]

I cannot imagine what kind of person would make a derogatory remark to someone( they don't know ) on their attire (should they be under or over dressed.)

 

How someone else dresses has no beatring on my choice of outfit and how I dress should be no concern of theirs (short of wearing a bathrobe to dinner;))

 

My smart casual may be someone's idea of "code acceptable" formal and my idea of formal maybe over the top to some.....

 

I dress to please myself and one other person....the rest are of no consequence to me.

 

 

"...the rest are of no consequence to me" - says a lot about the unfortunate self-absorbed attitude which too many cruisers seem to pack with their casual-only clothes.

[kyriecat]

I have no objections to gowns or tuxes. Prior to 2008 luggage fees, I always packed my floor-length formal gowns for formal nights and enjoyed dressing up. I like beading, sequins, and appliques so my formal dresses tend to be very heavy.

 

Since the airlines have started charging for each bag, I have toned down my formal night dressing. I now bring a floor-length black velvet skirt and a couple dressy blouses. If there are 3 formal nights, I'll bring different accessories and wear a blouse twice.

 

We've been renting a tux for hubby for the past couple of cruises. We did the math and decided renting was a better option. When we bring his suit or tux, we pack it in the garment bag to reduce wrinkling. Since most airlines are charging $35 (domestic) or $50 (international) each way for a second bag, it costs us $70 -$100 to bring the garment bag. When we get onboard, we usually have to get his shirt pressed and sometimes the trousers. We decided it was easier to pay the $85 to rent a tux and have it onboard and pressed when we get there.

[innlady1]

"...the rest are of no consequence to me" - says a lot about the unfortunate self-absorbed attitude which too many cruisers seem to pack with their casual-only clothes.

 

Seems to me you're jumping to conclusions here. I re-read Colleyberry's post and no where was I led to believe that she wears "casual only clothes" in the MDR.

[sail7seas]

I'm so glad I asked. It has been something I was wondering about.

DH and I went shopping yesterday for a new tuxedo for him. We have never sailed HAL when he did not have a tuxedo and we aren't ready yet for him to stop. Happy to hear there are many of us who will still be dressing to code (and even in tuxedo.) Thank you. :)

 

[innlady1]

I have no objections to gowns or tuxes. Prior to 2008 luggage fees, I always packed my floor-length formal gowns for formal nights and enjoyed dressing up. I like beading, sequins, and appliques so my formal dresses tend to be very heavy.

 

Since the airlines have started charging for each bag, I have toned down my formal night dressing. I now bring a floor-length black velvet skirt and a couple dressy blouses. If there are 3 formal nights, I'll bring different accessories and wear a blouse twice.

 

We've been renting a tux for hubby for the past couple of cruises. We did the math and decided renting was a better option. When we bring his suit or tux, we pack it in the garment bag to reduce wrinkling. Since most airlines are charging $35 (domestic) or $50 (international) each way for a second bag, it costs us $70 -$100 to bring the garment bag. When we get onboard, we usually have to get his shirt pressed and sometimes the trousers. We decided it was easier to pay the $85 to rent a tux and have it onboard and pressed when we get there.

 

What a great idea!

 

Not only is the extra baggage charge an issue, but as I get older, I just hate dealing with hauling heavy bags through the airport if curbside isn't open, and then a carry-on packed to the max through the TSA and onto the plane. Been there, done that! Each cruise, DH and I pack less and less. One day, I hope to have it perfected!;)

[kakalina]

I don't mind seeing gowns and tuxes although I find them less and less often. I love to dress for dinner. I will also sometimes change after dinner for reasons of my own and still go to the casino or a show. It just depends on my particular feelings on that particular night. I don't really care or often notice what others are wearing. Life is just too darn short to let what others do or do not do affect my life, my actions or my enjoyment.

[startwin]

We love seeing Formal wear on our cruises and will never complain about the dress code on HAL.

 

I really think that if you so object to seeing it or adhering to the dress code rules then you should cruise on another line... Sorry, just my opinion

 

I respect your opinion, however most people choose the ship and itinerary, not the dress code. Again, no one has the right to tell another that they should not cruise on HAL.

[COLLEYBERRY]

"...the rest are of no consequence to me" - says a lot about the unfortunate self-absorbed attitude which too many cruisers seem to pack with their casual-only clothes.

 

 

Goodness "unfortunate " and "self absorbed" ...have never thought of my self as either.

Non judgemental and accepting of others was the point of my post.:)