New HAL smoking policy

[lollytw]

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NO it was not clear until JORAY called and specifically asked for an interpretation, But that only informs a very few people here on CC The rest of the ships population will be as confused as ever.

Enforcement by the cruisers detecting the smell is the one quick way to stop the problem.

 

After reading some of the rants on here, I'm getting nervous to go on my first HAL cruise.:( Surely most pax are not going to be like you, watching what everybody else is doing and running to the purser's office to report infractions. I really don't think that's your job. I agree, as it sounds like others do here, that one shouldn't smoke in the cabin if that is the policy. But saying that if you smell it, you will report it? I think that is the cabin steward's job. It's not YOUR cabin, so let them handle it. Will you also want to help enforce sanitizer use before entering the lido or diningroom? Will you report it when you see someone wearing what you consider inappropriate? I hope not. I hope you will just go and enjoy your cruise and "chill." I'm really hoping to enjoy the company of a good mix of people, who are just having a good time and relaxing, not waiting to pounce when they see something they don't like. :)

[ot73nl]

After reading some of the rants on here, I'm getting nervous to go on my first HAL cruise.:( Surely most pax are not going to be like you, watching what everybody else is doing and running to the purser's office to report infractions. I really don't think that's your job. I agree, as it sounds like others do here, that one shouldn't smoke in the cabin if that is the policy. But saying that if you smell it, you will report it? I think that is the cabin steward's job. It's not YOUR cabin, so let them handle it. Will you also want to help enforce sanitizer use before entering the lido or diningroom? Will you report it when you see someone wearing what you consider inappropriate? I hope not. I hope you will just go and enjoy your cruise and "chill." I'm really hoping to enjoy the company of a good mix of people, who are just having a good time and relaxing, not waiting to pounce when they see something they don't like. :)

 

This is the best post on this topic, thank you!

[kazu]

After reading some of the rants on here, I'm getting nervous to go on my first HAL cruise.:( Surely most pax are not going to be like you, watching what everybody else is doing and running to the purser's office to report infractions. I really don't think that's your job. I agree, as it sounds like others do here, that one shouldn't smoke in the cabin if that is the policy. But saying that if you smell it, you will report it? I think that is the cabin steward's job. It's not YOUR cabin, so let them handle it. Will you also want to help enforce sanitizer use before entering the lido or diningroom? Will you report it when you see someone wearing what you consider inappropriate? I hope not. I hope you will just go and enjoy your cruise and "chill." I'm really hoping to enjoy the company of a good mix of people, who are just having a good time and relaxing, not waiting to pounce when they see something they don't like. :)

 

great post and don't be nervous. anonymous posters on an internet board are not necessarily the same 'on board'. remember this is one of few.

 

all the cc'ers I have met on our meet and greets have been great. I think you will have a good time. put this behind you, don't worry and have a great time and a great cruise:D:D

[lollytw]

Thank you so much, Ot73nl and Kazu! I hope there are many aboard like you! :)

[1 HappyCruiser]

After reading some of the rants on here, I'm getting nervous to go on my first HAL cruise.:( Surely most pax are not going to be like you, watching what everybody else is doing and running to the purser's office to report infractions. I really don't think that's your job. I agree, as it sounds like others do here, that one shouldn't smoke in the cabin if that is the policy. But saying that if you smell it, you will report it? I think that is the cabin steward's job. It's not YOUR cabin, so let them handle it. Will you also want to help enforce sanitizer use before entering the lido or diningroom? Will you report it when you see someone wearing what you consider inappropriate? I hope not. I hope you will just go and enjoy your cruise and "chill." I'm really hoping to enjoy the company of a good mix of people, who are just having a good time and relaxing, not waiting to pounce when they see something they don't like. :)

 

I've smelled smoke spewing out of door vents on lots of ships & if the ship has a $250 fine for smoking you can bet I will call it in for a violation & let them deal with the problem. It's quite simple, don't smoke in the cabin & no one will report you.

[3rdGenCunarder]

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I am grateful that these ships aren't registered in California, for these reasons:

 

1) Smoking would be banned entirely

2) All menus would have nutritional info with Calories and Carbs in bold font

3) There would be 100 Nutrisweet packets for every 1 sugar packet

4) Instead of Formal Night, we would have Designer Sport Apparel Night

5) All foods would be organic, free range

6) You would be fined for not using the proper recycling bin

7) Two people of the same gender would not be able to share the same cabin without many years of debate, votes, and court cases

8) The list of state mandated fees and taxes would be equal to the catalog listed fare.

 

See? We have lots to be grateful for. I'd even go up to the top deck to smoke, if that's the only place HAL would let me. Gladly.

 

This issue is peanuts.

 

Uh-oh, I see this drifting toward allergies!!! :eek:

 

Thanks for some levity in a thread that needed it.

[S10Catman]

After reading some of the rants on here, I'm getting nervous to go on my first HAL cruise.:( Surely most pax are not going to be like you, watching what everybody else is doing and running to the purser's office to report infractions. I really don't think that's your job. I agree, as it sounds like others do here, that one shouldn't smoke in the cabin if that is the policy. But saying that if you smell it, you will report it? I think that is the cabin steward's job. It's not YOUR cabin, so let them handle it. Will you also want to help enforce sanitizer use before entering the lido or diningroom? Will you report it when you see someone wearing what you consider inappropriate? I hope not. I hope you will just go and enjoy your cruise and "chill." I'm really hoping to enjoy the company of a good mix of people, who are just having a good time and relaxing, not waiting to pounce when they see something they don't like. :)

 

Take it for granted that some whiny nonsmoking fanatic will be running around crying the blues that they smell smoke, someone is chairhogging, eating more than their fair share of food, or winning too much money in the casino. They have nothing better to do in their life than to go around whining and complaining about anything and everything. You could give them gold dollar bills and they will cry it they are allergic to gold or it wasn't the right color of gold. I don't worry about fanatics, if they have nothing better in their lives than to watch my every move and RUIN their vacation, I'll gladly give them something to whine about. Yes I'm a smoker and only smoke in authorized areas per the cruiseline's rules. If I don't like their smoking poilicy I don't give them my business. If they can afford to give up 20% (the figure everybody spouts for the number of smokers today) of their business so be it, I'll save my cruise dollars for those that have policies/rules to my life choices. I could care less what all the whiners say or do, they aren't worth my time and effort. :D

[lollytw]

I've smelled smoke spewing out of door vents on lots of ships & if the ship has a $250 fine for smoking you can bet I will call it in for a violation & let them deal with the problem. It's quite simple, don't smoke in the cabin & no one will report you.

 

Listen, I only singled you out, HappyCruiser, because in reading some more of your comments, I saw that you would advocate violating the cruise policy of not bringing liquor on board. You seem to think it's okay to break the rules by bringing liquor in your "rum runner" or whatever you referred to it as, but you're very quick to point the finger if you think someone ELSE is going against HAL policy. I hope YOU are reported. But it won't be by me because I'll be too busy having a good time.

[startwin]

Take it for granted that some whiny nonsmoking fanatic will be running around crying the blues that they smell smoke, someone is chairhogging, eating more than their fair share of food, or winning too much money in the casino. They have nothing better to do in their life than to go around whining and complaining about anything and everything. You could give them gold dollar bills and they will cry it they are allergic to gold or it wasn't the right color of gold. I don't worry about fanatics, if they have nothing better in their lives than to watch my every move and RUIN their vacation, I'll gladly give them something to whine about. Yes I'm a smoker and only smoke in authorized areas per the cruiseline's rules. If I don't like their smoking poilicy I don't give them my business. If they can afford to give up 20% (the figure everybody spouts for the number of smokers today) of their business so be it, I'll save my cruise dollars for those that have policies/rules to my life choices. I could care less what all the whiners say or do, they aren't worth my time and effort. :D

 

So, only non-smokers whine? Your posting sounds an awful lot like whining to me!

[ironin]

I saw that you would advocate violating the cruise policy of not bringing liquor on board. You seem to think it's okay to break the rules by bringing liquor in your "rum runner" or whatever you referred to it as ....

 

OIC! That explains a lot! As they say, "Nobody likes a sneak."

[pms4104]

One can only hope that HAL will be more adept at managing their new smoking policy than they were in implementing the Retreat 1.0 and Retreat 2.0 on the Veendam.

[Richie2pies]

Let's face it. Unless someone smokes up a storm in their cabin, nobody will be fined. Do you really think HAL is going to fine someone? HAL doesn't enforce the dress policy or the chair hogs so why would they enforce the smoking policy? Do you think the steward, looking for tips, will turn anybody in? Even when the violent anti-smokers who go on a cruise, looking for trouble, complain, HAL will give them lip-service, just like they do with all complaints. How about "I was only smoking on my premium suite balcony and the door opened and the smoke blew in" excuse? The anti-smoking crowd is going to be very disappointed in this policy. Oh well; I guess it gives the complainers who only cruise to complain, something to look forward to. Now they have something else to use to justify asking for OBC or a free cruise....."The guy in the next room was smoking, I got sick and deserve a free cruise".

[1 HappyCruiser]

Listen, I only singled you out, HappyCruiser, because in reading some more of your comments, I saw that you would advocate violating the cruise policy of not bringing liquor on board. You seem to think it's okay to break the rules by bringing liquor in your "rum runner" or whatever you referred to it as, but you're very quick to point the finger if you think someone ELSE is going against HAL policy. I hope YOU are reported. But it won't be by me because I'll be too busy having a good time.

 

You have every right to turn people in for sneaking alcohol, so go right ahead but I'm sure the fumes won't be coming out of my door vent so that might be a little difficult. There's also a big difference between someone drinking vs smoking which affects everyone around them but I guess you must be one of the smokers & can't smell the difference.

[Richie2pies]

You have every right to turn people in for sneaking alcohol, so go right ahead but I'm sure the fumes won't be coming out of my door vent so that might be a little difficult. There's also a big difference between someone drinking vs smoking which affects everyone around them but I guess you must be one of the smokers & can't smell the difference.

 

 

"I only follow the rules that I agree with". "I disagree with smoking and will spend my whole cruise seeking out smokers."

[1 HappyCruiser]

"I only follow the rules that I agree with". "I disagree with smoking and will spend my whole cruise seeking out smokers."

 

Hey, that's my motto to. ;)

[hypercafe]

Is it true for every ten smokers you rat on you get a day credit for your next mariner or merit badge?

[GeriatricNurse]

but they shouldn't be. this is no different than any non smoking hotel where there are fees if you break the rules. You get one chance and then you are out. I suspect HAL will be the same.

 

bottom line - no smoking in the cabins. If you do you will be fined. A second time, who knows? but yes you will be fined again.

 

The policy is new so perhaps Seattle doesn't know all the stuff yet - but the policy was pretty clear to me when I read it originally - just like any non smoking hotel. consider the cabins the same way. I really don't see this as complicated at all. No smoking in cabins. fines don't give you an out. they give you an expense and constant abuse may give you an 'off' the ship;)

 

How about being fined ($250) then being disembarked at the next port of call, (with all their luggage, of course)! :D

[GeriatricNurse]

really? why younger and younger? how many posts does it take to post on a smoking thread? is there a minimum? don't get me wrong, I'm a casual smoker:eek: yup, go ahead, flame me.

 

But I don't see why any cc member can't express their view point

 

and cudos to a new member for expressing their views;) Isn't this what the board is all about? JMO:D

 

 

Oh kazu, (Jacqui), you are bad! ;)

[taxmantoo]

How about being fined ($250) then being disembarked at the next port of call, (with all their luggage, of course)! :D

 

...plus a commemorative HAL ashtray and a complimentary disembarkation photo, of course ;)

[kazu]

Oh kazu, (Jacqui), you are bad! ;)

 

I know, but I do follow the rules;) and there is no question in my mind what they are:p

[kazu]

How about being fined ($250) then being disembarked at the next port of call, (with all their luggage, of course)! :D

 

Hal has the right to disembark any unruly passenger or anyone not using proper code of conduct. I wouldn't be surprised if this wouldn't come under the category down the road. I am guessing, one warning with fine, written warning and then off - just my best guess though;)

[m steve]

The cabin stewards will report if they smell smoke in the cabin and you will be billed accordingly. On the other hand, they never report anyone who has brought liquor on board. If someone has to look for smokers to report, they probably shoudn't be cruising as they are not there to enjoy the cruise but to be a -------- (left out so you can fill in the blanks)

[babyher]

The cabin stewards will report if they smell smoke in the cabin and you will be billed accordingly. On the other hand, they never report anyone who has brought liquor on board. If someone has to look for smokers to report, they probably shoudn't be cruising as they are not there to enjoy the cruise but to be a -------- (left out so you can fill in the blanks)

 

Yes when I was working in the service industry . I would always rat out and piss off the people I was hoping would tip me well.

 

Good sound financial advice

[vi1234]

I will never again sail on a ship that allows smoking on the verandas. The one time I did, I was unable to use my veranda because of neighbor's smoke.

[JORAY]

I find the discussion interesting because of following: (I have been on 12 or 15 different size ships)

 

When the ship is under way and you open your stateroom door the air comes from the hall and out the balcony door if it is open.

 

When the ship is in a port the air comes from the balcony into the stateroom because large ship doors are open. This means if a person is following the rules and smoking on the balcony and the door is open, smoke would come into the room & hall way.

 

You all have read people claiming the smoke from next door or decks away comes into their stateroom this is why as the ship may have been in port. This also why the ship lines request you to keep your balcony door closed!