Vegetarians hung out to dry by 2.0 changes.

[elcuchio24]

No one is stopping her from eating meat.

[halos]

No one is stopping her from eating meat.

:confused:

huh?

[TheCalicoCat]

That might be a good thing...unless it's wild salmon (which I do not believe is what you will get on a CCL cruise),

 

Good Point, we do wild at home. (We both choose not to eat meat & are allergic so shell fish - so salmon was a nice choice - when it was available. We are willing to try to tilapia...)

[sparkscruiser]

That might be a good thing...unless it's wild salmon (which I do not believe is what you will get on a CCL cruise), you should not eat it every day anyway.

Do some Googling on farm raised salmon. There are guidelines about how often you should consume it....

I love salmon too....had some last night as a matter of fact (wild...I do try to stay away from farm raised for the most part)

 

 

I know it would be difficult for CCL to offer it, but a grilled Portabello mushroom burger would be freaking awesome to have on board.

 

Love the mushroom burger - that would be great!

[iTouch]

Has someone confirmed they no longer have the veggie burgers at the grill they will make for you?? Im confused why all the complaining here as if there is nothing to eat.

 

They dont have them out, but you just have to ask and they will make it fresh.

 

Most of the 2.0 changes are new bars .. one burger joint and the vegetarians are up in arms? Have a margarita.

 

Have some beans and tortillas at the mexican place.. not sure what they offer, but surely all this fuss over ONE of the many new things is overdone and exaggerated. I love tortillas ..

 

the complaints here seem to ONLY be about one of the new choices.

 

 

Actually according to John Heald they are still available:

 

Much ado about nothing:

 

 

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  John Heald I am glad you found the answer as I wasnt ignoring you and my thanks to others for helping you. Althopugh Guy does not provide a vegie burger we still have that option and other vegetarian dishes throughout the Lido Jennifer. Thanks again and if you have any other questions or concerns please let me know. cheers
   
  

 

So the veggie burger is alive and well the whining can stop now:D

[iTouch]

Interesting that those against vegetarians are probably some that should be trying it. I am not a veggie but have no problem with anyone that is. It can be a heathly option. With a majority of the US population in the obese to morbidly obese category, some need to think twice about putting a few of those Guy burgers or burrittos in their mouth.

 

 

A burger is not the cause of being obese;)

[WeBeCruisin']

Interesting that those against vegetarians are probably some that should be trying it. I am not a veggie but have no problem with anyone that is. It can be a heathly option. With a majority of the US population in the obese to morbidly obese category, some need to think twice about putting a few of those Guy burgers or burrittos in their mouth.

 

I'm not against vegetarians. I'm against pushy, obnoxious, self-centered and arrogant vegetarians like the ex-brother-in-law I described.

 

I also detect an attack in this post upon my "fluffiness". :D I think it's very possible to maintain fluffiness even as a vegetarian.:) Cheeses, butter, potatoes, avocados, breads, desserts, beer and mixed drinks can add on the pounds even more easily than proteins such as steak, pork, and chicken.

 

And, even though I'm fluffy, I think that any of you who have sailed with me on the Saints and Sinners cruises will verify that I have more energy and endurance than most people half my age. :cool:

[WeBeCruisin']

A burger is not the cause of being obese;)

 

And if you check the nutrition counts on veggie burgers, most of those patties have more calories than a beef patty of the same weight. They might be better for you nutritionally, but that isn't because they're made from vegetables (and binders which often include eggs, oils and breadcrumbs) but rather it being a matter of nutrition and healthful portion and ingredient control, which can also be accomplished with lean cuts of meats and fish.

[sfo2008]

(1) the 3% number keeps getting thrown out, keep in mind that the percentage of vegetarians that cruise may be higher. For example, if vegetarianism is correlated with higher income levels and cruising is correlated with higher income levels and cruise lines have a reputation for being accommodating, the percentage of cruisers who are vegetarian may be significantly higher. Also the percentage on any one cruise may be higher than usual. So perhaps it is 6% or 10%, or even 15%. Likely Carnival has a good grasp on this number.

 

(2) choice, I personally tend to view much of vegetarianism as a choice, but for many it is part of complying with sincerely held religious beliefs. Others do it at their doctor's request for health reasons. I think reducing it all to a choice oversimplifies the issue and is disrespectful of where folks with the needs/requests are coming from.

 

(3) Cruising and cruise lines market themselves as able to handle and being good destinations for people with food issues/allergies/needs. Providing a variety of vegetarian options is a part of that.

 

(4) As several have said, make requests early and often. Especially in the MDR there is a tremendous effort to accomodate special needs. I traveled with someone who had a severe citrus allergy, the MDR staff went out of there way to make sure things were specially prepared for her. I was quite impressed. It is one of the reasons she likes to cruise: she can get her needs accommodated more easily than on land.

[halos]

(1) the 3% number keeps getting thrown out, keep in mind that the percentage of vegetarians that cruise may be higher. For example, if vegetarianism is correlated with higher income levels and cruising is correlated with higher income levels and cruise lines have a reputation for being accommodating, the percentage of cruisers who are vegetarian may be significantly higher. Also the percentage on any one cruise may be higher than usual. So perhaps it is 6% or 10%, or even 15%. Likely Carnival has a good grasp on this number.

 

(2) choice, I personally tend to view much of vegetarianism as a choice, but for many it is part of complying with sincerely held religious beliefs. Others do it at their doctor's request for health reasons. I think reducing it all to a choice oversimplifies the issue and is disrespectful of where folks with the needs/requests are coming from.

 

(3) Cruising and cruise lines market themselves as able to handle and being good destinations for people with food issues/allergies/needs. Providing a variety of vegetarian options is a part of that.

 

(4) As several have said, make requests early and often. Especially in the MDR there is a tremendous effort to accomodate special needs. I traveled with someone who had a severe citrus allergy, the MDR staff went out of there way to make sure things were specially prepared for her. I was quite impressed. It is one of the reasons she likes to cruise: she can get her needs accommodated more easily than on land.

 

That right there, is a BIG if.

I agree with the rest of your statement however :)

[debster11]

Very true but I bet you get a bunch of nasty comments from vegetarians for it.

 

It's kind of the don't do as I do, do as I say rule. Vegetarians want variety in a meat based restaurant but would have a fit if meat was sold in a vegetarian restaurant. While I can understand the OP's predicament, I think the real problem is the grill. How many grills will be in the new food area? If there are more then one this issue could be worked out. However, if the demand is not there (and I am not saying it isn't), then I can't see them changing their menu. Just my opinion.

[5waldos]

Too much here but I know that you can request Indian vegetarian food every night. Best to put in a request early. You can also let them know that you are traveling with a vegetarian and they will provide special meals in addition to the Indian.

[richstowe]

Interesting that those against vegetarians are probably some that should be trying it. I am not a veggie but have no problem with anyone that is. It can be a heathly option. With a majority of the US population in the obese to morbidly obese category, some need to think twice about putting a few of those Guy burgers or burrittos in their mouth.

Couldn't agree more. For whatever reason, vegetarians tend to be leaner. And I'm not a vegetarian either.

Perhaps if you are choosy in what you put in your mouth, you won't put as much in it.

Doesn't matter if veggie burgers have more calories if you don't have 2 of them plus a hot dog plus lots of fries plus 2 deserts plus plus plus...

 

A burger is not the cause of being obese;)

True but many who scarf down those burgers seem to be unaware of the expression "moderation in all things".

[TheCalicoCat]

(1) if vegetarianism is correlated with higher income levels and cruising is correlated with higher income levels and cruise lines have a reputation for being accommodating, .

 

I agree 100% but that is a big IF. Case in point, I was a vegeterian in college, because a bag of beans was far cheaper than anything else.

[GlendaleCruiser]

Couldn't agree more. For whatever reason, vegetarians tend to be leaner. And I'm not a vegetarian either.

Perhaps if you are choosy in what you put in your mouth, you won't put as much in it.

Doesn't matter if veggie burgers have more calories if you don't have 2 of them plus a hot dog plus lots of fries plus 2 deserts plus plus plus...

 

 

True but many who scarf down those burgers seem to be unaware of the expression "moderation in all things".

 

 

No need to be so judgmental. Not everyone who eats a real hamburger (or SCARFS as you say) eats two of them and a hot dog and fries. I think "MANY" is overstating it.

 

I know a couple of vegetarians who are fluffy, too.

[iTouch]

True but many who scarf down those burgers seem to be unaware of the expression "moderation in all things".

 

How does a burger make someone unaware of moderation:confused: If someone has no self control they will eat everything in excess including veggie burgers......."burgers don't kill"

[richstowe]

No need to be so judgmental. Not everyone who eats a real hamburger (or SCARFS as you say) eats two of them and a hot dog and fries. I think "MANY" is overstating it.

 

I know a couple of vegetarians who are fluffy, too.

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound judgemental (or holier then thou).

 

How does a burger make someone unaware of moderation:confused: If someone has no self control they will eat everything in excess including veggie burgers......."burgers don't kill"

It is a fact that reduced consumption of red meat is directly porportional to better health and lower weight.

I have never seen anyone who "has no self control they will eat everything in excess including veggie burgers".

Maybe because they just don't taste as good as beef burgers.:p

[iTouch]

Sorry, I didn't mean to sound judgemental (or holier then thou).

 

It is a fact that reduced consumption of red meat is directly porportional to better health and lower weight.

I have never seen anyone who "has no self control they will eat everything in excess including veggie burgers".

Maybe because they just don't taste as good as beef burgers.:p

 

It's a fact if you have no health problems and eat a equal amount of protein (lean meat) and carbs and live a lifestyle of working out and staying active will result to better health and lower weight.

 

Of course out of control eaters will eat more of what tastes better to them. But if they were left alone in a room with only veggie burgers, my bet is they will not eat just one;)

 

It all comes down to how one chooses to live their life......let's put the blame where it belongs........not the burger.

[richstowe]

Of course out of control eaters will eat more of what tastes better to them. But if they were left alone in a room with only veggie burgers, my bet is they will not eat just one;)

 

It all comes down to how one chooses to live their life......let's put the blame where it belongs........not the burger.

All true. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it eat a healthy diet.

BUT it is in everyones interest to provide healthy options.That includes Carnival.

[iTouch]

All true. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it eat a healthy diet.

BUT it is in everyones interest to provide healthy options.That includes Carnival.

 

And a burger can be healthy......not all vegetarians eat healthy......they just don't eat meat.

 

On another note.......back in the day growing up people ate meat practically every night. Lots of fried foods, bacon, etc. were the majority etc........why do we have more obese people today than we did years ago? Nobody even knew what veggie burgers were...tofu?

[SteelCruisin]

From what I've heard the chefs will gladly cook up something indian vegetarian food if you ask every night and it will be something different. Again as it has been said before the cruise lines make their money marketing to the masses not the fringes, I don't think they will miss anyone who says they are leaving because the veggie options are limited.

[5waldos]

And a burger can be healthy......not all vegetarians eat healthy......they just don't eat meat.

 

On another note.......back in the day growing up people ate meat practically every night. Lots of fried foods, bacon, etc. were the majority etc........why do we have more obese people today than we did years ago? Nobody even knew what veggie burgers were...tofu?

 

Because we also eat a lot more carbs. But maybe I'll stay out of this beyond that comment.

[iTouch]

Because we also eat a lot more carbs. But maybe I'll stay out of this beyond that comment.

 

LOL! More like lack of movement and the conveniece of packaged processed foods...........

[halos]

It is a fact that reduced consumption of red meat is directly porportional to better health and lower weight.

 

 

Aolthough that may be scientific, I took that as fact and went off red meat for two solid years.

Weight stayed the same...cholesterol levels and blood pressure also remained the same.

Then one day...on a July 4th holiday, I just WANTED a hamburger.

So...back on red meat

 

Decided years later to go on a diet ....South Beach/good carb diet.

Weight dropped. Blood prerssure went down with it and cholesterol levels (total shock) went way down.

 

Go figure....

I think all people metabolize stuff differently. To me carb is the enemy.

 

Lean meat is not an enemy.

Processed food is.

[Princesss]

As the spouse of a vegetarian and a cruiser who, after five cruises in two years, was finding the food growing a bit samey and was looking forward to this new variety to give us a reason to book another cruise, I am a bit disappointed to discover that, unless they have some sort of secret menu, neither Guy's Burger Bar or The Blue Iguana offer vegetarian options.

 

While I'd be fine, it would be a case of same old for my wife and in order for a cruise to be new and exciting it needs to have interesting new stuff for both of us.

 

Couldn't believe some of the comments on John Heald's thread such as "There are veggie burgers elsewhere - no need for them at Guy's!" -- Well, yeah, but there are regular burgers elsewhere too, so by that rationale why have Guy's at all? Guy Fierri's places on land have veg burgers, why would Carnival not cater in this area?

 

I guess they need to utilize the space where it would benefit the maximum number of people.. I would too if I owned a cruise ship