Email from Royal RE:smoking

[CI66774]

[quote name='eaglerockers@msn.com']I am a loyal Royal Caribbean customer with over 20 cruises sailed. And I am a smoker; a very courteous smoker. One of the things I love about cruising is having a cup of coffee and a cigarette on my balcony. I've always made sure my neighboring balconies have no one on them, or I ask permission to smoke if they are occupied. 100 % of the time my neighbors have said go right ahead.
With this ban on Royal Caribbean, they have lost me as a customer. I dropped Princess for the same reason. I don't think I'll be sailing with Carnival, ever.[/quote]

Sorry - but there is no such thing as a "courteous smoker."

[Brian131489]

[quote name='CI66774']Sorry - but there is no such thing as a "courteous smoker."[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ, I too am the same way. I will always check with my neighbor, if they are outside, if it bothers them I will listen for balcony doors to open and close and check to make sure they aren't outside, once they arrive I put it out. I'm sorry if you have had issues in the past and I will admit that there are some rude people out there, but there are a few that look out for those that don't

[tiessa]

[quote name='jstraw20']Or just join the other smokers for coffee up on deck in the smoking section. I'll be there, we can adjust. ;)[/quote]


That's where I'll be!!! We will adjust!

[tiessa]

[quote name='CI66774']Sorry - but there is no such thing as a "courteous smoker."[/quote]


There are many courteous smokers. I'm sorry you've never met one.

[elleluv]

[quote name='mom says']I haven't either. And neither has my TA.


[/quote]


IMO they've done a fine job of notifying TA's... The information was in the Travel Partner Newsletter that goes out to subscribers every Thursday and they have it listed on the front page of the Travel Partner Hub.

[createcolorfun]

question: How many people are ex smokers and how many have never smoked?
If you were an ex smoker, do you have more empathy for current smokers? or do you dislike smokers more?
Just wondering....
Myself, i'm an ex smoker, glad I quit, but I still have empathy for current smokers as I know what it's like to go through withdrawals.
thanks!

[tiessa]

[quote name='Aquahound']Me three. Same ship. Same result.[/quote]


Those at NCL seem happy. It's nice that there are ships for every taste and need.

[Maryscooking]

[quote name='halos']
And the casinos make the cruise lines money...so I can't believe (although it wouldn't bother me any) that any cruise line will ever eliminate smoking in the casino.[/quote]

I'm almost positive that Celebrity has a non-smoking casino. And I have to say that here in Ohio, our casinos are non-smoking and they are making a ton of money.

You have to look at the flip side - smokers might spend less time gambling if they can't smoke at the same time; but if the smoke is pushing away the non-smokers (and for me and my DH at least, it does), then the casino is losing non-smoker money.

Given the shrinking numbers of smokers, and increased unwillingness of non-smokers to breathe second hand smoke, at some point, financially it will make sense to ban all casino smoking.

[ehfl]

With the popularity of e-cigarettes, this should not be an issue for smokers. They can use the e-cigarettes if they want the smoking experience, but without ruining the experience for those around them.

[jstraw20]

[quote name='ehfl']With the popularity of e-cigarettes, this should not be an issue for smokers. They can use the e-cigarettes if they want the smoking experience, but without ruining the experience for those around them.[/quote]

Unfortunately RCCL doesn't see it that way, e-cigs are lumped into the general smoking policies.

[tiessa]

[quote name='ehfl']With the popularity of e-cigarettes, this should not be an issue for smokers. They can use the e-cigarettes if they want the smoking experience, but without ruining the experience for those around them.[/quote]


On RCCL you might as well smoke a cigarette. They treat e-cigarettes the same. You can't smoke an e-cigarette anywhere you can't smoke a regular cigarette.

[Tinkrbell]

Great news for balconies. Unfortunately we have been on many cruises where we could not even go out on our balcony due to neighbors smoking.

[BopRN]

[SIZE="7"]Hallelujah!! [/SIZE][SIZE="7"][COLOR="Purple"]FINALLY![/COLOR][/SIZE]

[mlbcruiser]

I have never smoked nor wanted to and will never start - for SURE. But we have friends who we have cruised w/before who are smokers, though they were courteous and stepped outside for a couple of min. after dinner or else smoked on their balcony. It did get in the way of which lines they could book. After hearing the new RCCL rules, I checked to make sure they had seen them when I heard e cigarettes were not allowed. One thing they wondered (and I wonder, too): just why aren't e cigarettes allowed? I'm just curious. Seems like a good solution to me unless there is something emitted from them. I wondered if maybe it was because they would be distinguishable from real ones, but hear that they don't really look like real cigarettes and some emit a blue glow or light at the tip. The only "smoke" is actualy vapor as well. Can anyone shed any light on why this type of cigarette is banned as well?

[Lilyrosemum]

[quote name='mlbcruiser']I have never smoked nor wanted to and will never start - for SURE. But we have friends who we have cruised w/before who are smokers, though they were courteous and stepped outside for a couple of min. after dinner or else smoked on their balcony. It did get in the way of which lines they could book. After hearing the new RCCL rules, I checked to make sure they had seen them when I heard e cigarettes were not allowed. One thing they wondered (and I wonder, too): just why aren't e cigarettes allowed? I'm just curious. Seems like a good solution to me unless there is something emitted from them. I wondered if maybe it was because they would be distinguishable from real ones, but hear that they don't really look like real cigarettes and some emit a blue glow or light at the tip. The only "smoke" is actualy vapor as well. Can anyone shed any light on why this type of cigarette is banned as well?[/QUOTE]

I have been around people who have used them and there is no noticeable smell or anything. So they are not offensive in that manner. I would like to see a little more research/science on them though and I would think the users of them would as well. I mean what is in that "vapor" anyway?

If they are proven to be harmless to bystanders I would say let people use them.

[xxHadleyxx]

[quote name='CI66774']Sorry - but there is no such thing as a "courteous smoker."[/QUOTE]

What a RUDE comment. I am a non smoker. I am thrilled with the new policy. I greatly dislike smoke and it sets off my child's asthma. There are many courteous people out there who smoke--maybe you missed them because you assumed they were non smokers since they were polite and did not smoke near you?

[quote name='jmf123']Cruiselines that currently permit balcony smoking: HAL, Carnival (except spa cabin balconies), NCL, Thomson.

Lines that will soon prohibit balcony smoking:
Disney as of November 15, 2013
P & O in February 2014
Cunard in April/May 2014, depending on the ship[/QUOTE]

Thanks. The PP I quoted had ruled out Carnival. I had forgotten about NCL and did not know HAL's policy. I guess smokers who want minimal restritions have 2-3 lines left (for the time being anyway--and very possibly a while if those lines get a bump in passengers from heavy smokers who sail them in order over other more restrictive lines).

[xxHadleyxx]

[quote name='createcolorfun']question: How many people are ex smokers and how many have never smoked?
If you were an ex smoker, do you have more empathy for current smokers? or do you dislike smokers more?
Just wondering....
Myself, i'm an ex smoker, glad I quit, but I still have empathy for current smokers as I know what it's like to go through withdrawals.
thanks![/QUOTE]

I have never smoked. I like to think I have some empathy though. I do feel badly for anyone with an addiction that they can't kick. I always feel badly for those on the transatlantic flights we are on--where there truly is no option (for good reason) and they truly must deal with withdrawal.

My empathy does not extend to thinking this policy change is anything other tan long overdue though. No one has to go through withdrawal on their cruise (not that anyone has to take a cruise anyway!)--there are still paces to smoke. At most, it is a hassle for the smoker to have to go to an appropriate area to smoke. I don't have a lot of empathy (any really) for someone who would whine about that hassle knowing full well the dangers that second hand smoke pose for those around them who are not addicted. Wanting to put someone else at risk for health issues to avoid a hassle? No, those people are not among the MANY courteous smokers out there.

[nb125]

I'm still waiting for an e-mail.

[Aquahound]

[quote name='CI66774']Sorry - but there is no such thing as a "courteous smoker."[/quote]

I know you're taking some heat over this comment, but I'll also add that there are some courteous smokers out there. I remember on one cruise, I had a chat with my balcony neighbor during a sail away. He asked me to tell him if his smoking ever bothered me and he said he purposely avoided smoking if I or his other neighbors were eating breakfast.

Now, [B][I]that[/I][/B] is true courtesy and [B][I]that [/I][/B]is how people are supposed to act in a sense of community. Unfortunately, his type is very rare.

[quote name='halos']And the casinos make the cruise lines money...so I can't believe (although it wouldn't bother me any) that any cruise line will ever eliminate smoking in the casino.[/quote]

Celebrity casinos are 100% non smoking.

[cruisegirl1]

[quote name='Aquahound']I know you're taking some heat over this comment, but I'll also add that there are some courteous smokers out there. I remember on one cruise, I had a chat with my balcony neighbor during a sail away. He asked me to tell him if his smoking ever bothered me and he said he purposely avoided smoking if I or his other neighbors were eating breakfast.

Now, [B][I]that[/I][/B] is true courtesy and [B][I]that [/I][/B]is how people are supposed to act in a sense of community. Unfortunately, his type is very rare.



[COLOR="Red"][B]Celebrity casinos are 100% non smoking[/B][/COLOR].[/QUOTE]

A non smoking casino is TERRIFIC and judging by our last few Celebrity cruises, very busy!

M

[goouchjac]

[quote name='createcolorfun']question: How many people are ex smokers and how many have never smoked?
If you were an ex smoker, do you have more empathy for current smokers? or do you dislike smokers more?
Just wondering....
Myself, i'm an ex smoker, glad I quit, but I still have empathy for current smokers as I know what it's like to go through withdrawals.
thanks![/quote]

I am a exsmoker,,been 7years,,and yes, do have empathy for those who smoke...It took a good scare from my dr. to make me wake up,,and actually quit cold turkey,,won;'t admit to how many years we (hubby) and me smoked,,we are from that generation:)...
Our friends who we cruise with every year are still smoking,,and she enjoys her coffee and cig on the balcony in the morning...The masses treat smokers like they are criminals,,yes it stinks,,(can't realy stand the smell) and blah, blah,,but last time Ilooked it isn't a crime (yet) sure they will make it one with "big brother" always watching everything we do....
And have to also say,,feel 100& better since I quit,,go to gym classes and so nice to be able to take deep breaths again:cool:..
So that is my humble opinion:cool::cool:

[Mac303]

[B]I am an ex-smoker, (35 years) it's ok when someone smokes around me, as long as i can position myself away from the direct path of the smoke.

I have noticed that the longer I have been a non-smoker the more the smoke bothers me.

[/B]

[PattyG12]

[quote name='createcolorfun']question: How many people are ex smokers and how many have never smoked?
If you were an ex smoker, do you have more empathy for current smokers? or do you dislike smokers more?
Just wondering....
Myself, i'm an ex smoker, glad I quit, but I still have empathy for current smokers as I know what it's like to go through withdrawals.
thanks![/QUOTE]

I smoked for 25 years but quit 10 years ago. DH quit nearly 5 years ago. I really can see both sides of this. Honestly, quitting was the hardest thing I ever have done. I still occasionally want a cigarette. I also like sitting in the smoking are in the mornings close to the pool deck. People are MUCH more friendly there. I also agree with the smoking on balcony ban because I have seen MANY cigarette butts fly over balconies.

[paggerscorvette]

[quote name='tiessa']That's where I'll be!!! We will adjust![/QUOTE]

Guess I will be there also. I still have not received my email, maybe it doesn't pertain to ME!!!!! Geez, just jokn', probably regret that statement.

[ckrobyn]

[quote name='cruisegirl1']A non smoking casino is TERRIFIC and judging by our last few Celebrity cruises, very busy!

M[/QUOTE]

I am waiting for the day I can enjoy the casino every night on Royal and play my favorite slot machine...... In a non- smoking environment. My favorite machines (life of luxury progressives) seem to always be located in the smoking area. Can't wait for the announcement because I really think its only a matter of time.
Casinos in Ontario, Canada are non-smoking. The smokers freaked out initially but they got used to it.


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