Maybe Celebrity is right to run us off.

[richsea]

We had the pleasure of sailing on a cruise a few years ago with OP. Didn't know him before the cruise, don't keep in touch with him now....but thru his efforts pre-cruise on the roll calls, helping get people together for events, made for one of our more enjoyable cruises on Celebrity. Even if OP didn't spend a lot of money, the rest of us did, so Celebrity needs to realize that amount spent per cruise per couple does not always give the whole impact one couple can have on the bottom line.

 

Theresa

 

We also have had the pleasure of sailing with Bob, & like you, did not know him before the cruise, & have not kept in touch with him since, other than to see his posts here, but he also made our sailing with him one of the most memorable. We'd love to sail with him again.

Thanks Bob, for the post. However, I don't think that Celebrity is unhappy with you as a passenger. The mere fact that you have achieved Elite + means that you have helped the succeed. It's your dollars to spend, & only you should decide how much to spend on a cruise. You book an outside, others book a balcony or a suite; who cares? Celebrity wants to fill all the rooms, not just some of them. For every cruiser who spends $20 on board, there are others spending $2000.

I rally don't see them doing anything to dissuade anybody from cruising with them. Rather, they are just trying to reach more passengers, & still keep the ones that brought them to the dance.

[phoenix_dream]

An interesting thread. I would say that my sailing choices are a tad less frugal than the OP's but we generally seem to think alike. Having been spoiled by a balcony, I never book anything below that level anymore (used to) but I will definitely price shop and look for good TA deals. I never book X shore excursions except in questionable ports - why should I when they are usually quite overpriced and overcrowded. We are not big drinkers, so generally will not book beverage packages unless there is a deal on them, it would be foolish of us to do so. I personally do not equate drinking large quantities as a requirement to have fun. Sad that some do. I would buy more in the shops if they ever had anything I wanted - their selection is pretty lame IMHO. Pictures? I have dozens sitting in a box somewhere so rarely want to pay their exorbitant prices anymore. We generally will book one specialty restaurant per cruise, although the way prices keep rising that may need to change.

 

Do I feel like Celebrity doesn't value me as much as they used to. Absolutely. Their emphasis these days is clearly those who want to book big and spend big. They say so themselves. I don't have to infer they feel this way - they use the words themselves. When they created Elite+ (which is where many of us reside) they added almost nothing in the way of benefits IMHO, and many of the few they added are a discount with a purchase. I do not have to be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to conclude that this is not where they want to put their $$. Their actions tell me this.

 

That said, I still love Celebrity and regardless of what I will likely be accused of, I do appreciate the line itself and the benefits I get as Elite+. But as to the question of feeling the same level of being valued as compared to how I used to feel years ago, no I do not. I do feel valued, but definitely not like before. Celebrity still needs to fill up its ships, and the majority of rooms are not AQ, suites, or higher. Percentage wise, there are many more people at my spending/income level, so they need to be considered as well. Higher income, bigger spenders are being lured by most lines now so there is a lot of competition. For a cruise line of the size and capacity of Celebrity it is indeed a fine line to walk- how to keep the middle to upper middle class folks happy to fill the cabins, while attracting the upper 5% which is where there efforts are being expended lately. It will be interesting to watch.

[hcat]

gee--we are Celebrity regulars for many yrs in same demo as OP...

 

However, we only book AQ at the going rate on S class ships b/c we really enjoy BLU. (used to do CC on M class) We spend our money in the spa, shopping in the nice shops--Tommy Bahama, Michale Kors, jewelry,-- buy drinks and wine not covered by the freebie package, enjoy specialty dining a few times and book all our excursions through the cruise line. We also tip extra for good service. We do not gamble but other than that I cannot see how we are customers they would want to get rid of!

 

We enjoy the country club elegance of the Celebrity experience with good dining, fellow pax with an international mix who are not wearing wife beater tee shirts to lunch or cutoffs to dinner. We would not mind a bit more lively entertainment and music program....like a decent authentic reggae band, good guitatrist , jazz etc.

 

We dislike the trend to loud DJ rap and pre-recorded music throughout the ship and any attemopts to turn it into a wild party at sea.....they can .keep the loud stuff in the clubs and add some more late night activities for the night owls....

 

we have temporarily gone down to one cruise a year instead of two or three while Celebrity is in transition but still think they would not want us to go.

 

Having reached elite + for whatever that's worth we will hang in there--many experimental changes over the years did not pan out and in the end the Celebrity experience has retained it's specialness. If not we'll go....Lots of other choices out there!

[buzzybuzzbuzz]

We had the pleasure of sailing on a cruise a few years ago with OP. Didn't know him before the cruise, don't keep in touch with him now....but thru his efforts pre-cruise on the roll calls, helping get people together for events, made for one of our more enjoyable cruises on Celebrity. Even if OP didn't spend a lot of money, the rest of us did, so Celebrity needs to realize that amount spent per cruise per couple does not always give the whole impact one couple can have on the bottom line.

 

 

 

Theresa

 

 

What a lovely and thoughtful post.

 

 

 

 

 

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[bighairtexan]

I pretty much agree w/ the OP, and have often voiced similar opinions about MANY (not all) seasoned cruisers, including myself to a large degree.

 

I'm also Elite, (E+ next year probably) and I think the more folks cruise AND the more folks use Cruise Critic, the more savvy they become about cruising. I always go on the roll call. From the roll call I almost always book non-cruise excursions. i.e.: I can do cave tubing in Belize for $50 pp for a small private group, or a ship excursion for $100 with 60 of my new best friends crammed on a bus.

 

 

I rarely buy from the gift shops on board, b/c mostly they don't have anything I want at a price I'm happy with. Yes SOMETIMES I shop on board, but not much. (that TAG Heuer they're "discounting" can easily be found for less. Even here on land).

 

I find the Spa to be overpriced. $119 for a massage vs $49 for one hour here in Dallas. Since I get one at home every week, I'll pass and spend time on my balcony instead watching the sea go by. Just as relaxing to me.

 

I take advantage of Captain's Club booking deals if available, and transfer my booking to my long time TA. No matter which line I cruise. I evaluated the pluses and minuses of doing this and FOR ME the positives far outweigh the negatives.

 

I do usually book either a CC or Sky Suite. (don't like Blu and don't want to spend on a bigger suite). I need a balcony because I spend a lot of time there (drinking a glass of wine I legally brought on board).

 

I do spend in the casino b/c it's my entertainment of choice.

 

Am I their target demographic? I don't know. But when I cruise w/ a gal pal and she brings earplugs to sit at the pool b/c the music is so loud, I wonder. And if I'm not, that's OK. Just as business would LIKE to keep their loyal customers, they also NEED to cultivate new ones. And just as I really LIKE Celebrity's product, there are other products out there, that may be equally attractive… or more! (or less)

 

 

 

It's not as if the OP is saying s/he smuggles on liquor. I see their observations as being very valid, for them, for me, and for many other cruisers I've met.

[Onessa]

A few arrogant comments on here that made me smile, people think you aren't having a good time or are lacking somewhat because you aren't spending money on things you don't want or need? How does that work? :eek:

 

We don't buy a alcoholic drinks package because we don't drink, that doesn't mean we can't have fun and a great laugh, we just don't have the hangover the next morning to go with it! It's nothing to do with money

 

We don't do ships excursions, why? Because we prefer private tours usually booked through the roll call or organized ourselves. It's nothing to do with money, it's personal preference.

 

We don't buy ships photographs, why? Because my husband is a professional photographer and we aren't photogenic! :)

 

We don't buy stuff from the shops, why? Because we have enough stuff as it is!

 

We book inside cabins or balconies (when they are cheaper and without drinks packages!), why? Because we like to cruise twice a year and add land days each end of the cruise often in very nice hotels. We like to afford to take private transfers and not the bus or train.

 

Apart from the cruise fare Celebrity don't make a lot of extra money from us, do I think that Celebrity treat me differently because of this? No. I think Celebrity is wise enough to know they attract all sorts of spenders, from people who will cruise cheaper and more often to people who will spend a lot and cruise less to those who will spend a lot and cruise a lot. :D

 

So please don't think people are less worthy because they spend less, it may be because they choose to! :)

Wow, only two minor changes and this describes DH and me!

[fillmore]

Well they need to value former guest in this ecoñomy. We re in our 40’s no children but it's extremely annoying when one books a category and not 48h later price drop s not once but twice. Repeat and not appreciated. And how do you leave a cruise w/ OBC. I had to fight to get a open ended cruise applied to this one. I'm human I forgot. You'd think the cruise line was going to go broke giving me the OBC of 100. and credit me the 100 deposit, WOW!!! And I my other half is upset than there's something wrong because he's happy go lucky. Rooms, balconies as of our second cruise did not book anything else!!That's your peace and quiet. Although last year not so much as we had a smoker beside us and every other word out of his mouth was F***. We Canadians happy go lucky did not say anything but I will be complaining this year, not paying top price for AS and having that again. Past passagers very satisified w/X but after this year's booking experience will not be a free advertisement for them as we have been in the past. Wake up X we're all in this poor economy value what you have. I got no raise last year. 1% this year value what you have because there is another company in the dock. MSC and there certified cruise planners are there to actually help. Yes my signature say's X next year but actually it'll be MSC Devine next year. Will sail celerbrity again. but will wait until 2-3

weeks prior to sailing.

[hcat]

I am enjoying this thread.,,, many varied opinions....all valid

[wf083145]

Unlike past days, for most of the non-luxury cruise line the price of the cruise is a loss leader. At best the cruise fare pays most of the bills but the up-sells gets to break even and profits. Whether at the supermarket or cruise line if you only shop the loss leader items the seller will be loosing money and your business won't be as desirable.

 

If you compare X's fares with Crystal, Regent, etc. a comparable stateroom/suite is twice the cost or more. Of course you get more but worth 2-3 times more? Add the value of the goodies the luxury lines provide including improved food, service and ambience to X, HAL or the others and you'll be looking at more similar fares.

 

Over our 23 cruises we've learned to control our costs. Generally book balconies (got spoiled on our 1st cruise) as part of the enjoyment. Rarely do specialty dining, but sometimes do. Rarely book cruise line land tours because of cost (learned that real fast), but sometimes do when it makes sense. Make moderate contributions to the casino.

 

We view our vacation and a time for relaxation and enjoyment rather than an exercise in frugality and realize that the cruise lines needs to make a profit. Being a good customer and a good business go hand in hand. If we don't both win, we both lose.

[CHEZMARYLOU]

We are retired DINK's who will be Elite + after our next cruise. We adopted some wine kittens when we retired and hate to impose on our neighbor & my brother to take care of them too often. We have only been doing one 14 day cruise a year, even though we could afford to cruise more often. As a result we book suites and even with the beverage package spend a lot on board for bottles of wine and specialty dinners. If we were cruising 2 or 3 times a year we would probably book Aqua or below because of the air fare.

 

We don't buy photo's , spend very little in the shops, may do a ships excursion depending on the port, very rarely go to the spa and don't gamble.

 

We are looking forward to the new suite perks and don't feel we are being run off by Celebrity.

 

Mary Lou

[kelmac]

A little background. We are Elite Plus, and Celebrity has always been our line of choice. We sailed for 28 nights on Celebrity in the last 6 months. The only other ships we have sailed are RCL and that is mainly due to the proximity of Baltimore. We are in our mid 60s and very active.

 

Well, you would think that Celebrity would love us-but maybe not and maybe they are justified. We consider ourselves savvy and usually take advantage of special pricing or promotions. We always transfer our booking to a TA. Usually prefer ocean view, but are happy with an inside depending on pricing. Occasionally balcony if the price is great. We always research excursions and almost always go independent. Due to our status, we enjoy happy hour each evening and our bar bill otherwise is rarely over $20. Most of that is pop. I might risk $20 in casino-wife none. Never buy more than a few bucks worth at on board shops. Haven't bought photos since our first cruise many years ago. Usually go to specialty once per cruise if there is a "deal." We like my time dining and don't usually do much after dinner. Maybe listen to karaoke or a good entertainer such as Perry. Don't go to clubs and buy drinks often at all. Never use up all our obc.

 

So, although we are loyalists, we may not be making Celebrity happy. I suspect our profile is fairly common. People who love Celebrity but who don't spend a lot. Ironically, it seems that the more that people cruise, the more they learn how to minimize their costs through independent excursions, TAs, etc.

 

It has become obvious that Celebrity is trying to shift to a different demographic. As much as I like traditional Celebrity, I really can't blame them. I don't know if that is an economic necessity or if they are just trying to increase their profits. Many of us have commented that we hope they can attract new customers without radically changing what has drawn us to Celebrity to begin with. I think that is going to be very difficult. One area that has generated a lot of controversy is noise level. Most of us would at least grudgingly go along with loudness at the Martini bar and disco. But, it seems that they have discovered that the Martini bar is their biggest source of revenue and have concluded that they need to spread the party boat all over the ship. That, of course, irritates those who prefer a quiet atmosphere, and we have seen hundreds of posts on that topic alone.

 

It seems to me that they are probably justified in trying to attract new and younger customers and that they hope to do so without alienating the people who have built their business.

 

But, I also think they are really just trying to reinvent themselves and are not quite ready yet to risk losing their loyalists. We're sort of necessary evils.

 

I will still sail Celebrity-at least for now. But I no longer feel as wanted and valued as I once was. Maybe the fact that I have learned how to cruise economically has something to do with that. ;) Maybe we have gotten too smart for our own good.

 

Happy Sails to You

 

OOOEEE :D:D Bob and Phyl

 

In many ways, we are similar to you Bob and Phyl. We usually book inside cabins, and only work our way up to balconies if the price is right. We don't spend much on photos, excursions, drinks and spa time. Our end of cruise bill is usually south of $400. (relative of OBC and length of cruise)

 

Having said that, I think we provide an important niche to Celebrity:

 

--we cruise three, four or five times a year. (we "fillers" keep the cabins full)

--we tip extra to all our key people.(we "fillers" pay the service people's salary at the same rate as everyone else)

--we eat two or three times in the Alternative Restaurants.

--we talk up Celebrity with dozens of friends, family and anyone who will listen.(we "fillers" help promote the brand)

--we never call customer service and gum up the works with rookie questions or concerns.(we "fillers" know how to play the game and are self-sufficient)

 

Sure, the people that take a "trip of a lifetime" once every couple of years, may book a upscale cabin, take a bunch of excursions, spend a few days in the Spa, and drink their way into blissfulness as the drop big bucks in the Casino, but here today and gone tomorrow. They may come back to Celebrity in five or six years, maybe?

 

It's the mix of different cruisers that make this thing work, and I think there is a place for us all.:)

 

Kel

[richstowe]

Great thread. As always a lot of clever thoughtful posts.

 

Having just gotten off the Connie I believe that in order to fill the ship they lowered the cruise prices so low that there were lots of those who were not part of the Celebrity's marketing plan.

Lowering their prices to a point that it is cheaper to cruise then to stay at a Red roof Inn and eat at the Waffle House.(I love the Waffle House).It harms the image they are working so hard to cultivate.

Perhaps Celebrity is going to have a hard time filling their shorter cruises because of their new loyalty plan.

Celebrity may be have an issue filling their ships with enough of these affluent free-spending sophisticates.

I realize this sounds snobby. My point is that Celebrity isn't being coherent in their marketing approach .

Regardless of the reason, it was clear that many of those who picked up the cheap deals were not those that X was trying to attract.

I understand and agree with all of your points...except for the last one.

 

I really couldn't possibly care any less, if Celebrity "wants" or "values" me.

 

I want and value THEM! :)

I will continue to THOROUGHLY enjoy my "joyless" Celebrity cruises for $40/day! :D

I agree but would add that the whole idea of loyalty to a cruise line is strange . I have always reserved loyalty to friends and family not megacorps.

 

 

I am not intending to start a heated thread or asking for a lecture. :D:D Bob and Phyl

None the less you have done a fine job of stirring the pot. Edited March 20, 2014 by richstowe

[loosygoosy]

I am 55, widowed, retired, and LOVE everything about Celebrity. Would I be happier if I didn't have to pay double since I travel alone...yes. Am I happy with the Perks I receive on Celebrity....yes. Do I spend money on board....yes. Do I gamble....yes. Do I promote Celebrity every chance I get....absolutely. Do they need me as a customer...MOST DEFINITELY. Any business needs loyal customers. If you have issues there are many opportunities to provide constructive criticism (your Survey!...they read every one) which then begins to form the basis for change.

 

Note: Last cruise, first day, the music at the bar area on the aft (by Lawn Club) was so loud no one could talk. We went over to the bartender, nicely asked for it to be lowered, and he did. Everyone applauded. The music was at a tolerable level for the rest of the cruise.

[smitty4971]

A little background. We are Elite Plus, and Celebrity has always been our line of choice. We sailed for 28 nights on Celebrity in the last 6 months. The only other ships we have sailed are RCL and that is mainly due to the proximity of Baltimore. We are in our mid 60s and very active.

 

Well, you would think that Celebrity would love us-but maybe not and maybe they are justified. We consider ourselves savvy and usually take advantage of special pricing or promotions. We always transfer our booking to a TA. Usually prefer ocean view, but are happy with an inside depending on pricing. Occasionally balcony if the price is great. We always research excursions and almost always go independent. Due to our status, we enjoy happy hour each evening and our bar bill otherwise is rarely over $20. Most of that is pop. I might risk $20 in casino-wife none. Never buy more than a few bucks worth at on board shops. Haven't bought photos since our first cruise many years ago. Usually go to specialty once per cruise if there is a "deal." We like my time dining and don't usually do much after dinner. Maybe listen to karaoke or a good entertainer such as Perry. Don't go to clubs and buy drinks often at all. Never use up all our obc.

 

So, although we are loyalists, we may not be making Celebrity happy. I suspect our profile is fairly common. People who love Celebrity but who don't spend a lot. Ironically, it seems that the more that people cruise, the more they learn how to minimize their costs through independent excursions, TAs, etc.

 

It has become obvious that Celebrity is trying to shift to a different demographic. As much as I like traditional Celebrity, I really can't blame them. I don't know if that is an economic necessity or if they are just trying to increase their profits. Many of us have commented that we hope they can attract new customers without radically changing what has drawn us to Celebrity to begin with. I think that is going to be very difficult. One area that has generated a lot of controversy is noise level. Most of us would at least grudgingly go along with loudness at the Martini bar and disco. But, it seems that they have discovered that the Martini bar is their biggest source of revenue and have concluded that they need to spread the party boat all over the ship. That, of course, irritates those who prefer a quiet atmosphere, and we have seen hundreds of posts on that topic alone.

 

It seems to me that they are probably justified in trying to attract new and younger customers and that they hope to do so without alienating the people who have built their business.

 

But, I also think they are really just trying to reinvent themselves and are not quite ready yet to risk losing their loyalists. We're sort of necessary evils.

 

I will still sail Celebrity-at least for now. But I no longer feel as wanted and valued as I once was. Maybe the fact that I have learned how to cruise economically has something to do with that. ;) Maybe we have gotten too smart for our own good.

 

Happy Sails to You

 

OOOEEE :D:D Bob and Phyl

 

Don't sweat it Bob. We are probably polar opposites of you guys. We book balconies and above, upgrade drink packages, love to gamble, buy photos & pay extra to eat in the restaurants. But I KNOW Celebrity doesn't care about our business.

 

Understanding that there is a clear difference in the Shore Operations and the way the ships are managed at sea, the decline in customer service I've experienced this year from the Shore staff makes it an easy decision to move on. I've experienced extraordinary wait times on the phone. I've had reservation people blatantly lie to me. I sent 2 emails weeks ago that still have never been answered. That's all the proof I need.

 

I'm going to hop on my boat in a few days and will have a great time. But when we get back, baring any big shake ups in the management of this company, I'm going to take my ball and head to another playground!

[jmlstix]

Agree with OP. As another WVFan---NOT! We are MARSHALL! We do book

Balcony or higher. Since the TA's OBC is refundable we used that OBC to pay for our hotel in Seville after our last Azamara cruise. We love Celebrity, but don't

spend extra unless we get a good deal, like 40 to 50 percent off speciality dining on our last Equinox cruise. WVFan, enjoy all your post. So nice to hear all the great reviews from your fellow travelers. Hopefully we will cruise together soon. Jim and Libby

[4774Papa]

The cutback in dining room staff was something I noticed as well in my last two cruises. Blu was particularly a mess on my November Infinity cruise, and I and other customers made sufficient noise about the one overworked sommelier in Blu that an assistant was called in to help out about 5 days into the cruise.

 

Since late 3rd Q 2012 I have noticed a cutback in staff and service. :(

We were on Infinity January 2014, Around the Horn and had a great sommelier. His name was George, like mine. We did not notice a problem with service. A few times, I did pour our wine glasses myself, which is no big deal.

 

I am amused to read statements like we are in a period of aggressive Capitalism. Other statements implying that shareholder profits are taking over.

 

For anyone that has taken Freshman Economics, the free market, as Adam Smith wrote is the most efficient system in delivering products and services to the customer.

Shareholder profits increase when the company sells a product or service that customer want to buy. The cruise line that delivers excellence, unless wasted through inefficiency, will draw customers.

 

The economy changes, Kodak failed because it didn't adapt to digital photography as well as other such firms.

 

I hope Celebrity earns profits for its shareholders. If the quality of its product drops off, customers will go to competitors. Competition is what makes the free market system function.

 

The cruising trends have been toward larger ships, which we are less inclined to favor. For us, Solstice class is as large as we want.

 

For some posters, Celebrity sees to be falling off the cliff on service. Just because I have to pour my own wine is not evidence of something that catastrophic. It seems that some have experienced a decline in service. Celebrity should take notice, since perception can become reality, when customers act on that basis.

 

At least the government isn't trying to regulate the cruise industry by requiring so many servers per customers.

[richsea]

[quote=4774Papa;42119721...........

At least the government isn't trying to regulate the cruise industry by requiring so many servers per customers.

 

:eek::eek: Don't give them any ideas!!!:eek:

[wvufan]

Howdy

 

Someone said they didn't think I was much fun or something like that. Those who have sailed with me probably laughed at that comment. I usually sail with many friends and we are notorious for having a blast. We enjoy the happy hour and tip the servers very well. Our wait staffs love us. In the last few years I have taken a float plane to the Misty Fjords, landed on a glacier in a helicopter, ziplined in St. Lucia, rode horses in the DR, charterd a catamaran out of Tortola for a bunch of us from CC to go to Jost Van Dyke, organized many slot pulls, lead the singing of Sea Cruise at the Connections party on dozens of cruises, snorkeled all over the place, and so on. I wear a tux on formal nights-one of my tie/cummerbund sets is flamingos and the other is tropical parrots. I have as much fun as anyone on the cruise. And I don't drink alcohol and haven't for over 32 years.

 

Ironically, I suspect that some who are critical of those who don't spend a lot of money on cruises come to CC to find bargains, learn about price drops, research excursions, ask about cheapest flights and motels, etc.

 

For me, it's not about being cheap. For example, we always tip in addition to the prepaid amounts. We simply like to spend our money wisely. We basically just use our cabin to sleep, so why spend a lot of money on a more expensive cabin? Nothing wrong with doing so for those who want a suite etc. but silly if you don't care about one. We have friends who could afford the penthouse every cruise, but they prefer insides as they sleep better in one. It's not always about money. Anyway, enough of that.

 

A big thanks to our friends awhfy, richsea, and tn1728. :) I appreciate your kind remarks and am glad that my efforts helped you enjoy your cruise.

 

Jim and Libby, we also root for Marshall, but bleed Gold and Blue.

 

And thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. It sort of took a mind of it's own that I didn't anticipate, but there has been a lot of good discussion and interesting perspectives. With few exceptions, this has been a good natured and polite forum and I appreciate that.

 

Happy Sails to You

 

OOOEEE :D:D Bob and Phyl

Edited March 20, 2014 by wvufan

[k9x8]

On both of our Equinox cruises, the crew all made us feel like valued guests. However, the crew on Splendour of the Seas, including officers, were equally terrific. The service on both ships/lines was top-notch.

 

We cruise for ports (all Med), have learned to enjoy planning our own excursions, and we don't spend an excessive amount on alcohol. No gambling, no photographs, no specialty restaurants. I'm afraid Celebrity is not casting their nets for the likes of us. From the news story here on CC:

 

Rzymowska, who became Celebrity Cruises U.K. managing director at the start of this year, said the emphasis for the line would be attracting "affluent families and couples." "We see our brand as for those who enjoy the finer things in life," she added.

 

OK.

[richsea]

I'm glad that you came back to post Bob. You gave us food for thought & as a result, it's plain to see that very are varied opinions regarding the direction Celebrity is heading, most all being valid for various reasons.

 

As I said earlier, you made our sailing with you guys on the final Zenith cruise, one we still talk about, after 7 years! Heck you even got me to sing "Sea Cruise"!

[jgreenwo17]

Best thread I have ever read on CC.

 

Many thanks to WVUFAN.

 

Sincerely,

 

U OF U fan (I think we beat you in 1964 in the Liberty Bowl 32-6)

[wvufan]

Best thread I have ever read on CC.

 

Many thanks to WVUFAN.

 

Sincerely,

 

U OF U fan (I think we beat you in 1964 in the Liberty Bowl 32-6)

 

Jefferson was a one man wrecking crew! Now that you have told the entire CC universe that we lost that bowl game a half century ago, I should point out that WVU is the only team that went 3-0 in BCS games!

 

Richsea, that last Zenith cruise was the best!. I'll never forget the celebration as we sailed out of Bermuda. Unfortunately, I got the noro and was quarantined for 4 days, but ship happens and I still had a great cruise.

 

OOOEEE :D:D Bob and Phyl

[Tom47]

Hi

We enjoyed your company, along w. Melody and Les, on March 2012 Constellation cruise. We hope to sail with you again.

We don't like loud music and walk away, like Papa

Best Wishes from the guy whose wife still doesn't let him sing out loud

Tom:)

Edited March 20, 2014 by Tom47

[JEDIKNIGHT]

That is basically my point and you essentially understood and agreed with what I was saying, but I was able to express that without putting down those who do economize.

 

Happy Sails to You

 

OOOEEE :D:D Bob and Phyl

 

And those who economize didn’t NorthFace and Ugg themselves into credit-card servitude and teach their kids the same materialistic ways.

 

Theres plenty of people who can outspend the double-income-whatever crowd in an instant. But they don’t have to put down those who are thrifty.

 

Big difference between wealth, and income.

[jgreenwo17]

Utah is two and 0 in BCS games. Now that that era is gone, you have those bragging rights forever. Maybe the Mountaineers and Utes will play in a bowl game again in our lifetimes.

 

Happy sails! Hope to run into you on a promenade deck sometime.

 

John