CRUISEBOY305 Posted April 20, 2015 #2351 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Oye [emoji15] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted April 20, 2015 #2352 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Good detective work;) Chez [emoji3] Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted April 20, 2015 #2353 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Melbourne Ports has bookings for Ovation for 13 Dec, 18 Dec 2016 and 11 Jan 2017........there is also a booking in Adelaide ports for Voyager on 12 Dec 2016, could that be Ovation, does it take a day to cruise Adelaide/Melbourne? Chez There is a day at sea between Adelaide and Melbourne as it is more than 500 nautical miles, which is roughly 28 to 30 hours steaming time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Edited April 20, 2015 by geoff2802 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cheznandy Posted April 20, 2015 #2354 Share Posted April 20, 2015 There is a day at sea between Adelaide and Melbourne as it is more than 500 nautical miles, which would is roughly 28 to 30 hours steaming time. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Mmmm......interesting to see what these itineraries will be like. Me thinks they are going to be put together where Ovation can fit and what is available, most cruisers will be jumping on for the ship experience and not care where they go, like me:) Although it will come down to price and timing for us....won't be giving Royal my $$$ for inflated prices for a cruise to nowhere! Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff2802 Posted April 20, 2015 #2355 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Mmmm......interesting to see what these itineraries will be like. Me thinks they are going to be put together where Ovation can fit and what is available, most cruisers will be jumping on for the ship experience and not care where they go, like me:) Although it will come down to price and timing for us....won't be giving Royal my $$$ for inflated prices for a cruise to nowhere! Chez Flashy new ship, short season... Prices will be pretty extreme I'm afraid. Ports will be predominantly capital cities for the reason you have highlighted (size). Renaming of existing fake bookings and new port bookings in the name of Ovation should start turning up over the next couple of weeks. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulette3028 Posted April 20, 2015 #2356 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I do not believe Paulette is a troll, slightly opinionated on occasion, but hardly a troll. To suggest otherwise is both rude and inaccurate. Thank you.....opinionated, I will accept as a label. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVU Posted April 21, 2015 #2357 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I find it ridiculous when a 'customer' accuses a company that has been in their business for years (and has been very profitable at it) of 'not knowing how to price their sailings'. From your signature, I can see you are in the Pinnacle Club, but that doesn't give you access to their board room or any other area of the company that would be involved in determining 'what they need to be able to make a profit (or the kind of profit they want) from sailing a ship from the West Coast. Interesting article on USA Today- http://experience.usatoday.com/cruise/story/best-of-cruising/2015/04/20/these-people-have-spent-over-1000-days-at-sea/25874147/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoopster95 Posted April 21, 2015 #2358 Share Posted April 21, 2015 If you believe there is better infrastructure in Ensenada, you might want to visit Ensenada and really take a tour around. Folks embarking there are processed in San Diego and then bussed to Ensenada for further processing before boarding. The reason Legend is doing this, is because it made the Panama Canal trip just before it's westbound Pacific, making it the closest foreign port to it's last US port of call (note that the reason Legend can make the FLL to SD trip, is because it visits Cartagena - a distant foreign port). If using this port as the North America entry, it would not only have to be the debarkation port for the eastbound Pacific, it would also have to be the embarkation port for the coastal to Seattle, not San Diego or L.A., as Victoria is not a distant foreign port, so just visiting isn't sufficient to satisfy the PVSA (and then do it again when she travels back across the Pacific). Excellent explanation - thank you. How about this thought: EOS embark in San Diego or LA day 1, then hit Ensenada on day 2, then head up the coast to Seattle without Victoria. Does this work?? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzerci Posted April 21, 2015 #2359 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Oye [emoji15] I just try not to even read them anymore. Opinionated is one explanation, irrational and deranged is another... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dog Posted April 21, 2015 #2360 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I still feel there is nothing wrong with any of us mentioning "Jones" when we really mean PVSA. As I mentioned, it's a nit/nitpicking/hair-splitting, but I am not making a statement of opinion (though I do understand what people are referring to), I am making a statement of fact: the Jones Act and PVSA are different statutes applying to different areas of coastwise shipping (the "Jones Act" is not a different name for the PVSA, it is a different statute that doesn't apply to passengers). Referring to the PVSA as the "Jones Act" is definitely incorrect. So as long as we know what we are referring.... But does everyone really know to what "we are referring". Someone who might not know better will think that the two are the same, or have now clue that another exists. Sort of like talking about what someone might do on a cruise on Oasis of the Seas, but refer everyone to information about the Regal Princess. Certainly many here would correct that error. For anyone that might read these boards and wish to do research on the statutes, I choose to provide as accurate information as I possibly can (and will acknowledge when I make an incorrect statement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dog Posted April 21, 2015 #2361 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Excellent explanation - thank you. How about this thought: EOS embark in San Diego or LA day 1, then hit Ensenada on day 2, then head up the coast to Seattle without Victoria. Does this work?? :confused: No. Effectively, the PVSA disallows cruise lines from transferring passengers between two U.S. ports (not getting into the one cruise ship and smaller ships that can or the various exceptions which really don't apply on the west coast). So getting on in L.A. and off in Seattle isn't allowed. A passenger can get on in Ensenada and off in Seattle, or on in L.A. and off in Victoria or Vancouver, but not on in L.A. and off in Seattle (Note: Explorer as is cannot get to the primary dock in Vancouver because she cannot clear the Lions Gate bridge, not sure if she can be modified to clear it, though). Same about Hawaii: cannot get on in Honolulu and off in Seattle. It does allow passengers to get on and off in the same port provided they visited a foreign port. So they can get on and off in Seattle, so long as they stop in Victoria. Or they can get on in L.A., visit Hawaii, and return to L.A. as long as they visit a non-US port (e.g. Ensenada). One other note, it is not the passenger that would be in violation, it is the cruise line. But the cruise line will not knowingly allow a passenger to take an itinerary that would put them in violation (as has been mentioned). So a ship being repositioned to Alaska lawfully traveling from HI to Vancouver, and then start a new trip that lawfully goes from Vancouver to Seward, will not allow a passenger doing a B2B to get on in Honolulu and off in Seward as that would be in violation (though they could get off in Vancouver and take a different ship to Seward or do a B2B that returns to Vancouver). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted April 21, 2015 #2362 Share Posted April 21, 2015 No. Effectively, the PVSA disallows cruise lines from transferring passengers between two U.S. ports (not getting into the one cruise ship and smaller ships that can or the various exceptions which really don't apply on the west coast). So getting on in L.A. and off in Seattle isn't allowed. A passenger can get on in Ensenada and off in Seattle, or on in L.A. and off in Victoria or Vancouver, but not on in L.A. and off in Seattle (Note: Explorer as is cannot get to the primary dock in Vancouver because she cannot clear the Lions Gate bridge, not sure if she can be modified to clear it, though). Same about Hawaii: cannot get on in Honolulu and off in Seattle. It does allow passengers to get on and off in the same port provided they visited a foreign port. So they can get on and off in Seattle, so long as they stop in Victoria. Or they can get on in L.A., visit Hawaii, and return to L.A. as long as they visit a non-US port (e.g. Ensenada). One other note, it is not the passenger that would be in violation, it is the cruise line. But the cruise line will not knowingly allow a passenger to take an itinerary that would put them in violation (as has been mentioned). So a ship being repositioned to Alaska lawfully traveling from HI to Vancouver, and then start a new trip that lawfully goes from Vancouver to Seward, will not allow a passenger doing a B2B to get on in Honolulu and off in Seward as that would be in violation (though they could get off in Vancouver and take a different ship to Seward or do a B2B that returns to Vancouver). We booked Jewel from Seattle to Vancouver and was staying on to LA. I had them booked and about 6 weeks later I got a call from Royal saying it was a breech of the law. I never knew anything about the Jones Act or PVSA at that time. In Uk we cant transfer cruises without losing our deposit and we cannot cancel a cruise and get our deposit back. This time they made an exception and allowed us to book the following cruise, an LA 7 night RT. I tried a lot of variations, but around that area the law comes into force a lot. I could have stayed on the ship and ended up in San Juan as that is classed as a distant foreign port. At the time, I thought it was the most ridiculous law I've ever heard off. Royal did conduct themselves in a professional manner and explained everything perfect and did apologise for not picking up on it at the time. I still have to google it myself though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dog Posted April 21, 2015 #2363 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I could have stayed on the ship and ended up in San Juan as that is classed as a distant foreign port. Puerto Rico is one of the ports with a specific exception, not a distant port. It is not sufficient to visit the port (such as Cartagena which is a distant port) , but you can get on in Miami and off in San Juan. At the time, I thought it was the most ridiculous law I've ever heard off. Though I have no disagreement as to the extent of it being ridiculous, it was originally intended to protect U.S. shipping interests. After the bankruptcy of "Project America", I somehow expected some sort of re-write, but all that wound up happening was an exception for Pride of America. Suffice it to say, that I mostly believe that the cruise lines aren't as interested in getting this law changed or repealed as CC'ers here would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRUISEBOY305 Posted April 21, 2015 #2364 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I just try not to even read them anymore. Opinionated is one explanation, irrational and deranged is another... Love your response, and probably true. But I like trolls [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted April 21, 2015 #2365 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Suffice it to say, that I mostly believe that the cruise lines aren't as interested in getting this law changed or repealed as CC'ers here would like. I think there is a lot on here that CC'rs would like changed. Not just the PVSA act Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelgoddess1 Posted April 21, 2015 #2366 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Love your response, and probably true. But I like trolls [emoji13][emoji13][emoji13] [ATTACH]347003[/ATTACH] I just appropriated your graphic. Where's the like button when you need it? :D Edited April 21, 2015 by travelgoddess1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindyJohn Posted April 21, 2015 #2367 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Interesting article on USA Today- http://experience.usatoday.com/cruise/story/best-of-cruising/2015/04/20/these-people-have-spent-over-1000-days-at-sea/25874147/ Hail to Karen, Pete, Mario - really cool to see you featured[emoji1] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelgoddess1 Posted April 21, 2015 #2368 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Hail to Karen, Pete, Mario - really cool to see you featured[emoji1] Thanks, Mindy, I appreciate your comment. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crisndeefromde Posted April 21, 2015 #2369 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Thanks, Mindy, I appreciate your comment. :) Great article!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiiergirl Posted April 21, 2015 #2370 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Still not all...but appears more AD 2016/2017 sailings have opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator of the Seas Posted April 21, 2015 #2371 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Before they bump it t the San Juan board, Norwegian Air has announced direct flights to/from Copenhagen and London to/from San Juan. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2199382 http://finchannel.com/index.php/business/travel-news/item/42932-norwegian-launches-new-routes-to-the-caribbean-and-croatia-from-london-Gatwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted April 21, 2015 #2372 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Before they bump it t the San Juan board, Norwegian Air has announced direct flights to/from Copenhagen and London to/from San Juan. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2199382 http://finchannel.com/index.php/business/travel-news/item/42932-norwegian-launches-new-routes-to-the-caribbean-and-croatia-from-london-Gatwick Good find. 1 les stop from Uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeck Posted April 21, 2015 #2373 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Thanks, Mindy, I appreciate your comment. :) Good review. Looking to forward to meeting in September Edited April 21, 2015 by bigeck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aviator of the Seas Posted April 21, 2015 #2374 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Good find. 1 les stop from Uk You bet! I had to go a quarter around the world for my last cruise out of Copenhagen to the British Isles/Iceland/Transatlantic. While that was a great overview, now I can go back at leisure for land vacations of England, Scotland, Denmark, Germany, and beyond! And you fine folk of the UK and Northern Europe can now easily use San Juan as a gateway to the beautiful Southern Caribbean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kruzerci Posted April 21, 2015 #2375 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I just appropriated your graphic. Where's the like button when you need it? :D All it needs is a Royal Caribbean pompom and crown ;)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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