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[FreestyleNovice]

Everything Genting World

[eroller]

Everything Genting World

 

 

Posted. Yes it's a two man show over there right now! ;)

[mostrow]

Just like to chime in. I cruised on the Diamond Princess five years ago, when the market was opening up. I wonder sometimes on how these very bright CEO's get the info for some of the deployments. We departed Singapore from a container port. Checked in at a hotel, then bused right to the ship. Trip ended in Tianjin in a brand new cruise terminal. Build and they will come.I would say that 20% of the passengers were Chinese. 40% were Australian and the rest of us scattered from around the world. What I found interesting is that their was almost no interaction between the Chinese passengers and all of us. Language barrier and culture are so different. The staff and crew were very upset since tipping is not in the Asian culture. I doubt that many English speaking cruisers will go on these ships. Immigration policies for Chinese will hinder many ports of call. Hong Kong won't be able to handle these huge ships. Way too much port traffic and congestion. So, with a no tipping culture, you will have to pay your staff and crew more. So, the bet is pretty much 100% on the Chinese passenger. Ships must be designed and activities will have to be designed for that culture. Just like lots of businesses here, China looked to be the cash cow. Time will tell.

[FreestyleNovice]

I was re-reading some old China news.. and noticed something about BA+ #3 (no, no Everything thread about her yet, all those name changes... :D )

 

"With the 2017 ship dedicated to China, the 2018 Breakaway-plus class newbuild will be dedicated to North American market. Expect this ship to get the Norwegian Bliss name that was previously reserved for the China-dedicated build."

 

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/13279-norwegian-update-on-escape-china-cuba-and-more-.html

[FreestyleNovice]

Posted. Yes it's a two man show over there right now! ;)

 

Nice heheh! I am currently on the hunt to book her first days out of Germany but no joy yet..

[LrgPizza]

I was re-reading some old China news.. and noticed something about BA+ #3 (no, no Everything thread about her yet, all those name changes... :D )

 

 

 

"With the 2017 ship dedicated to China, the 2018 Breakaway-plus class newbuild will be dedicated to North American market. Expect this ship to get the Norwegian Bliss name that was previously reserved for the China-dedicated build."

 

 

 

http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/13279-norwegian-update-on-escape-china-cuba-and-more-.html

 

 

Nice find, Freestyle!

[FreestyleNovice]

Nice find, Freestyle!

 

Thx! Not sure if it was by word of NCL or the interpretation of who wrote the article.

 

On a 2nd note, no (brand new) BA+ class for us Euros the next three to four year! :( ;)

[Loonbeam]

I'd be surprised, just because of the tight tie in of the BA+ to their homeports. Otherwise I would expect the Epic to rotate out at some point and one of the BA+ to spend some time there.

 

Thx! Not sure if it was by word of NCL or the interpretation of who wrote the article.

 

On a 2nd note, no (brand new) BA+ class for us Euros the next three to four year! :( ;)

[insidecabin]

The European presence is been reduced over winter.

 

Summer needs one ship in the north although there may be room for one more if NCL pulled out some itinerary but Princess and RCI have that nailed for the non p&o people.

 

Med needs at least 2 ships in the summer but can handle 3

 

An early delivery with med season before USA could work.

[eroller]

Genting has published a new website for Dream Cruises.

 

dreamcruises dot com

 

Included is a video and deck plans. While GENTING DREAM is a Breakaway Class ship, the interior arrangement is quite different. This being said there are many similarities as well.

 

The video is very generic and really shows nothing specific to the new ship. In fact a Royal Caribbean ship and a Seabourn ship are shown sailing in the video which is humorous.

 

I don't like the style of deck plans but they are better than nothing.

 

Standard cabins look pretty much the same as NCL's Breakaway Class.

 

There are a lot of renderings which I've included at this link along with the deck plans:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/eroller/albums/72157659369418844

 

It will be interesting to see how NCL's dedicated ship for China compares, and of course that will be a Breakaway Plus Class, so a little larger.

 

[FreestyleNovice]

I found a nice infograph of the few left building slots at Meyer Werft Germany:

 

 

Fall '18 and spring '19 are open.

Edited December 5, 2015 by FreestyleNovice

[steamboats]

On my list I have a smaller ship for Saga Cruises in summer 2019, anothern Quantum Class ship for fall 2019 and one ship for AIDA. Not sure how that works out.

 

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[FreestyleNovice]

On my list I have a smaller ship for Saga Cruises in summer 2019, anothern Quantum Class ship for fall 2019 and one ship for AIDA. Not sure how that works out.

 

steamboats

 

The Saga one is <1000 pax, perhaps they won't use the large building hall (#2) for her?

 

Spotter this yesterday: local government is planning on rerouting the small highway next to the yard and the drawing shows an optional extension of building hall #2.

http://www.papenburg.de/?hid=334&bid=3995

 

The way how fast Meyer is building those ships is really awesome and seems to be that they're coming out faster and closer to each other each time. :D

[Steff79]

yes they will build the saga cruise ship in the smaller hall like the old aida ships. if the ship is ready maybe they have to take two ships at the same time to the north sea.

 

the infograph is not up to date. with the two carnical/aida ships and more quantums ships they are full the next years.

[barnacle_boy]

The way how fast Meyer is building those ships is really awesome and seems to be that they're coming out faster and closer to each other each time. :D

 

 

Unfortunately, one of the main factors behind the increased speed is that Meyer is continually subcontracting out more and more of the work. Entire prefabricated blocks arrive at Papenburg from Eastern European nations of dubious quality.

 

Meyer isn't what it used to be. Still good, arguably still better than the rest, but things have gone down hill a little.

Edited December 5, 2015 by barnacle_boy

[FreestyleNovice]

Understandable. But are ships still being built for 40-50 years of service?

[barnacle_boy]

Understandable. But are ships still being built for 40-50 years of service?

 

 

Sure, in theory. In practice? Only time will tell.

 

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the older Meyer builds outlive what they're building now.

[papcx]

Entire prefabricated blocks arrive at Papenburg from Eastern European nations of dubious quality.

 

Meyer isn't what it used to be. Still good, arguably still better than the rest, but things have gone down hill a little.

 

 

Interesting point. Do you have any links to this information?

Edited December 6, 2015 by papcx
Autocorrect hates me.

[barnacle_boy]

Interesting point. Do you have any links to this information?

 

 

If you look around you might find some links from the subcontracting yards.

[steamboats]

FreestyleNovice,

 

Yes, I read about the enlargement of the building hall too.

 

Plus - with the accident destroying the Friesenbrücke (bridge at Weener) they might be able to build wider ships in the future. They have to build a totally new bridge (which will take a couple of years). And I´m pretty sure that Meyer will do its best to get a wider bridgespan for the ship traffic :-).

 

papcx,

 

barnacle_boy is totally correct. The pre fabricated block are coming from Eastern Europe and travel through the Kiel Canal and up the Ems river to Papenburg. Also on the shipyard there are many subcontractors from Eastern Europe.

 

Anyway that doesn´t mean the quality went down. Meyer still has everything under control and is responsible for keeping up the quality.

 

And compared to other shipyards (in Europe)... let´s say do not mess around with the French... remember the construction of the Epic ;-)!

 

steamboats

[Steff79]

http://www.focus.de/regional/niedersachsen/schiffbau-schiffssektion-aus-polen-schwimmt-zur-meyer-werft_id_4502895.html

http://www.stoczniawisla.pl/ang_realizacje.html

 

for example the bow of the the escape was build in a shipyard in danzig / Poland, but why should it have dubious qualtiy? i think meyer werft give them their own standards.

Edited December 6, 2015 by Steff79

[barnacle_boy]

http://www.focus.de/regional/niedersachsen/schiffbau-schiffssektion-aus-polen-schwimmt-zur-meyer-werft_id_4502895.html

http://www.stoczniawisla.pl/ang_realizacje.html

 

for example the bow of the the escape was build in a shipyard in danzig / Poland, but why should it have dubious qualtiy? i think meyer werft give them their own standards.

 

 

 

barnacle_boy is totally correct. The pre fabricated block are coming from Eastern Europe and travel through the Kiel Canal and up the Ems river to Papenburg. Also on the shipyard there are many subcontractors from Eastern Europe.

 

Anyway that doesn´t mean the quality went down. Meyer still has everything under control and is responsible for keeping up the quality.

 

And compared to other shipyards (in Europe)... let´s say do not mess around with the French... remember the construction of the Epic ;-)!

 

 

I don't think the quality is bad simply because the blocks come from Eastern Europe. I think it's bad because people I know at Meyer, NCL, and RCI say that they are. Lots of problems related to quality control at the yard and others once the ships are in service.

 

But you're right, I'd rather sail on a subcontracted Meyer build than something the vindictive French put together. There are rumors that NCL will go with Fincantieri (*spine shivers*) for future contracts given FDR's proclivity for all things Italian. His last two Oceania and next RSSC ships are Fincantieri builds.

[luv2cruisecats]

We did the 10 day transatlantic and as a mechanical engineer for 45 years (prior to recently retiring) and the Escape appears to be top quality. I look at things on board that most folks do not: Quality of welds, designs that prevent mold and germs from developing, designs that allow good fit up, drainage systems for sea and rain water, etc. (Yes I'm a bit weird but this was my background.)

 

In all public areas the Escape appears to be top notch so I would seriously doubt that the shipyard would not exert rigorous controls on subcontracted subassemblies regardless of the size. Steel weldments (even if huge in size) have been subject to rigid fabrication requirements for 50 to 75 years or longer and can be easily inspected before they are released for shipment to the assembly hall. The Germans are known for over-engineering just about everything.

[steamboats]

FreestyleNovice,

 

check the Meyer website here. The first AIDA ship is now announced for fall 2018 which closes that open slot. So we have Breakaway Plus 3 and AIDA 1 in 2018. 2019 has Breakaway Plus 4 and Quantum Class 4 plus the small Saga ship. 2020 has Quantum Class 5 and AIDA 2.

 

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[jmele999]

A have a quick question regarding this new ship formerly known as Bliss. Besides a larger casino, and a different menu what other changes from a traditional cruise ship do we expect to see? Will the bathroom facilities be different?