Possible missing passenger - Liberty

[redstapler7]

This is too soon for final update. Are they turning the ship around or saying 'good luck' and continuing to the next port?

 

No, we kept going. She was last seen early this morning, so I don't think they found it useful to turn around. (I'm not an expert)

 

On a side note, we were just on Lido... Crew caution tapped of an area of the deck and we're taking pictures with those little yellow number tents like you see on law and order. One of the deck speakers was broken too. They may have thought that could have been used as a step. (I'm not saying that's what happened, but they gave it a lot of look) they also had evidence bags and gloves on.

[RjayB]

Natalie Holloway

 

You are suggesting a crime was committed? Sure it's possible, but the odds are against it.

[KoalaWala]

Sorry, you are incorrect. It's kinda silly for you to make comments like this.

 

And which part would you consider incorrect?

[bobsfamily]

Prayers for the family and her, hope she is found safe and sound.

[WLHyatt]

Conquest has a FLIR camera system that seems to align with all sides like chengkp75 stated should be there. If the conquest has that system I can't imagine that the Liberty would not.

[jordanaire]

You are suggesting a crime was committed? Sure it's possible, but the odds are against it.

 

I was just letting that poster know what her name was. I don't remember her case having been confirmed a crime.

[Dave994]

Don't ships have security cameras everywhere like they do in casinos? Or am I just thinking they do? Then they could review footage and see what happened.

 

Though more and more this seems like she jumped in the middle of the night. I feel bad for her family having to go through this.

[Dave994]

Conquest has a FLIR camera system that seems to align with all sides like chengkp75 stated should be there. If the conquest has that system I can't imagine that the Liberty would not.

 

 

Maybe I am wrong. I remember 20/20 or one of those news shows doing a story on it a while back and they said most don't have a system that would activate the minute someone went over so the ship would know immediately so they could rescue them.

[trose1230]

hi everyone my mom is on the liberty by herself.... I just heard about it and just need someone to tell me they are not paging my mother's name

first name is Kimberly. last name begins with an H

 

hopefully you can email me at taralynmartinez@yahoo.com

and let me know!!

I tried calling and they couldn't give me a name

[Snow Wight]

This reminds me the Amy Bradley missing person on a cruise. I don't think they ever found her or found out what happened to her. That was about 20 years ago. This is horrible and so sad. I can't even begin to imagine what her family is going through.

[firemanbobswife]

hi everyone my mom is on the liberty by herself.... I just heard about it and just need someone to tell me they are not paging my mother's name

 

first name is Kimberly. last name begins with an H

 

 

 

hopefully you can email me at taralynmartinez@yahoo.com

 

and let me know!!

 

I tried calling and they couldn't give me a name

 

 

That wasn't the name that was posted previously and was removed.

[bamaparrotheads]

On my first cruise in 2009 on Holiday, a lady jumped on the first night. The captain had a pretty close approximation time of when she jumped and location where she jumped. We were all sent to our cabins so the crew could search and take a head count. Holiday participated in the search for about 13 to 14 hours. Even so, she wasn't found.

Very sad; this reminds me of that time. Prayers for the young lady and her family / friends.

[Rena921]

hi everyone my mom is on the liberty by herself.... I just heard about it and just need someone to tell me they are not paging my mother's name

first name is Kimberly. last name begins with an H

 

hopefully you can email me at taralynmartinez@yahoo.com

and let me know!!

I tried calling and they couldn't give me a name

 

It's not your mom. This persons initials are S.B.

[chengkp75]

And which part would you consider incorrect?

 

The part where you say its not the coast guards responsibility outside of 1-2 miles from shore. First off, territorial waters extend to 12 miles, and the USCG will take responsibility for SAR out to the extent of the "economic zone" or 200 miles. They will go further if the area is considered to be in our "area of influence" or at least half way to the adjacent country.

 

Yes,there have been people found alive more than 12 hours in the water, but even with the water temperature in the Gulf of Mexico at this time, hypothermia makes it highly unlikely.

[Rena921]

Prayers for the family and her, hope she is found safe and sound.

 

Your statements redEding the coast guard. In fact, they are conducting a search for her now. It was really tacky and disrespectful for you to insinuate that Carnival didn't do more because they didn't want to offer the other guests FCC for complaining.

[elliair]

We were on the Grand Princess going to Hawaii. Two days out of San Francisco, this woman jumped over board. She warned people she was going to do it. Apparently her husband had passed away a year to the day she decided to jump, and she couldn't bear to live without him any longer. She had also been drinking. She jumped over on the Promenade deck (deck 7). The shipped stopped and they searched for her for 8 hours. We missed our first port, people were furious about it. They never found her. No one knows what goes on in people's head or their circumstances to make them want to do themselves in. It makes it a bad day for everyone. So sad.

[kayhold]

http://www.khou.com/news/local/coast-guard-searching-for-woman-missing-from-carnival-cruise-ship/190794575

[spyingeyes]

http://www.khou.com/news/local/coast-guard-searching-for-woman-missing-from-carnival-cruise-ship/190794575

[firemanbobswife]

Your statements redEding the coast guard. In fact, they are conducting a search for her now. It was really tacky and disrespectful for you to insinuate that Carnival didn't do more because they didn't want to offer the other guests FCC for complaining.

 

 

I think you are quoting the wrong poster.

[silverdome]

Sorry, you are incorrect. It's kinda silly for you to make comments like this.

 

Although the previous quote that garnered the above response does appear a bit callus, I am curious about at least part of this question.

 

The possibility of someone losing a life is never something to be joking about but in a situation like this what exactly is the "right" thing to do? Not what Carnival is or isn't legally obligated to do. Everyone understands the Cruise Contract is the wild card that allows the cruise lines to basically do what ever they want without question. Most ships are also registered in other countries so they are basically untouchable legally.

 

The questions today for Carnival becomes what is the Morally Correct vs. Legally Correct response?

 

Understanding that at the ships current position the Coast Guard may have limited accountability and limited available resources to respond, it would appear there is no one else but Carnival who could realistically search for this individual, if Carnival does not continue some type of search of the water, possibly based on the last navigational track, who else is there? Should something else have been attempted beyond a search of the ship? If so, how thorough and how long? If that was your loved one missing, possibly in the water would it change your thinking? Yes, people have survived for long periods of time in the water, so although unlikely, if she's in the water right now she could still be alive. For the other passengers on the ship what sacrifice should they be asked to make in a situation like this? How long should they be asked to have their vacations interupted?

 

The other piece in play here is the Carnival Liberty has missed it's stops in Cozumel both of its last two sailings. This is the third consecutive sailing with the potential to miss Cozumel again or be significantly delayed by todays events. Carnival has been taking heat from a story that was posted by at least one Houston news orginization (KPRC2) on both it's web site and Facebook pages and significant heat from cruisers of those sailings. The comments are ugly.

 

http://www.click2houston.com/news/carnival-liberty-having-problems-with-ship-bow-thrusters

 

 

Is there any chance these things could have influenced the decision for a shortened search? I am not suggesting they did or didn't, just asking the question. In regards to what the proper response should be in these types of situations I am just curious as to what the cruise community thinks.

Edited May 13, 2016 by silverdome

[Kittybork]

hi everyone my mom is on the liberty by herself.... I just heard about it and just need someone to tell me they are not paging my mother's name

first name is Kimberly. last name begins with an H

 

hopefully you can email me at taralynmartinez@yahoo.com

and let me know!!

I tried calling and they couldn't give me a name

 

This is an example of why people shouldn't post such horrific news on the Internet until all details are known.

 

This person is terrified and probably won't rest until she hears her mother's voice.

 

People do the same when they post pictures of wrecks on FB. They seem to forget that the people in the cars have family who might recognize the vehicle when it's posted.

[Thorncroft]

Although the previous quote that garnered the above response does appear a bit callus, I am curious about at least part of this question.

 

The possibility of someone losing a life is never something to be joking about but in a situation like this what exactly is the "right" thing to do? Not what Carnival is or isn't legally obligated to do. Everyone understands the Cruise Contract is the wild card that allows the cruise lines to basically do what ever they want without question. Most ships are also registered in other countries so they are basically untouchable legally.

 

The questions today for Carnival becomes what is the Morally Correct vs. Legally Correct response?

 

Understanding that at the ships current position the Coast Guard may have limited accountability and limited available resources to respond, it would appear there is no one else but Carnival who could realistically search for this individual, if Carnival does not continue some type of search of the water, possibly based on the last navigational track, who else is there? Should something else have been attempted beyond a search of the ship? If so, how thorough and how long? If that was your loved one missing, possibly in the water would it change your thinking? Yes, people have survived for long periods of time in the water, so although unlikely, if she's in the water right now she could still be alive. For the people on the ship what sacrifice should they be asked to make in a situation like this?

 

The other piece in play here is the Carnival Liberty has missed it's stops in Cozumel both of its last two sailings. This is the third consecutive sailing with the potential to miss Cozumel again or be significantly delayed by todays events. Carnival has been taking heat from a story that was posted by at least one Houston news orginization (KPRC2) on both it's web site and Facebook pages and significant heat from cruisers of those sailings. The comments are ugly.

 

http://www.click2houston.com/news/carnival-liberty-having-problems-with-ship-bow-thrusters

 

 

Is there any chance these things could have influenced the decision for a shortened search? I am not suggesting they did or didn't, just asking the question. In regards to what the proper response should be in these types of situations I am just curious as to what the cruise community thinks.

 

Maybe Liberty's maneuverability is impaired because of the lingering bow thruster issue, making it difficult to search a specific area? In other words, they have to make wide, sweeping turns instead of being able to just spin around in place.

[firemanbobswife]

This is an example of why people shouldn't post such horrific news on the Internet until all details are known.

 

 

 

This person is terrified and probably won't rest until she hears her mother's voice.

 

 

 

People do the same when they post pictures of wrecks on FB. They seem to forget that the people in the cars have family who might recognize the vehicle when it's posted.

 

 

I get where you're coming from, but things do get out. If it were me on the ship and my loved ones were at home, then I would either message them using the Social Media Plan or call them from my cabin phone for $1.99 a minute to ease their worries. I travel frequently by myself and I would absolutely get in contact with them especially if it were on the news.

[bobsfamily]

Your statements redEding the coast guard. In fact, they are conducting a search for her now. It was really tacky and disrespectful for you to insinuate that Carnival didn't do more because they didn't want to offer the other guests FCC for complaining.

 

I think you are quoting the wrong poster.

 

Thank you firemanbobswife, I have no idea what "Rena" is talking about.... I just posted prayers for the people.... Maybe Rena921 should re-read what you are linking to?

 

Prayers for the family and her, hope the Coast Guard finds her...

Edited May 14, 2016 by bobsfamily

[LMaxwell]

Best wishes that they find this lady safe.