Carnival Layoffs, making 200 US IT Employees train their replacements in India

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Whatever... It's none of my business.

 

Totally agree. A corporation's business plan only affects me viscerally if the price for a cruise begins to exceed what I can afford and what I deem fair in today's market.

 

When I read all this moralistic highground that people spew out of one side of their mouths while condemning cut backs, price increases, any economic change that impacts their personal pocketbook I can't help but smile that wry smile of irony.

 

And all of this "at this time of year" nonsense. What makes the last few weeks of December any different than the first few weeks of January...the end results are exactly the same when it comes to changes in one's job status.

 

All this altruistic hyperbole about a subject most cruisers don't know swat about is a bit amusing...especially when you take into account that we all exist in a global economy. Just counted the number of "foreign" cars parked outside the range of my window....they far outnumber the "domestically" produced. Wonder how many people condemning Carnival drive a "foreign" car?

[Raxter54]

Just counted the number of "foreign" cars parked outside the range of my window....they far outnumber the "domestically" produced. Wonder how many people condemning Carnival drive a "foreign" car?

 

I drive a Nissan - that was built in Smyrna Tennessee by American workers. Go figure...

 

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[firemanbobswife]

I drive a Nissan - that was built in Smyrna Tennessee by American workers. Go figure...

 

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Was about to say the same thing. The Toyota Camry is amongst one of the most American made vehicles. So just because it's a "Foreign" brand, doesn't mean it was built overseas. Same holds true with the "Domestic" brands as well. Just because it's labeled a Ford doesn't mean it wasn't built in Mexico.

[Raxter54]

Yeah, our previous car was a Chrysler PT Cruiser, built in Mexico...

 

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[hel0013]

I drive a Nissan - that was built in Smyrna Tennessee by American workers. Go figure...

 

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It was only assembled there. The parts were manufactured overseas and shipped to North America. I retired from a railroad where I've hauled a massive number of containers filled with auto parts destined for an assembly plant.

Edited December 19, 2016 by hel0013

[Raxter54]

Actually, the company I work for now here in Illinois builds headlamps for Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subrau, along with Ford, GM, and Harley Davidson. Some parts come from overseas, some from the US. And my paycheck is in US dollars....

 

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[firemanbobswife]

Actually, the company I work for now here in Illinois builds headlamps for Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Subrau, along with Ford, GM, and Harley Davidson. Some parts come from overseas, some from the US. And my paycheck is in US dollars....

 

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Very true. In many cases the majority of parts on vehicles that are assembled in the US are manufactured here.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Very true. In many cases the majority of parts on vehicles that are assembled in the US are manufactured here.

 

And American cars destined for foreign roadways are built outside the US. As everyone has proven, it is a global economy. I wouldn't be surprised if "made in America" labels were actually produced in China.

[robc1972]

I read a few of the comments and was rather amused at the moral hand wringing over this. While I dont like the policy, it is a cost cutting decision made to try and keep the costs down for us customers, not that 200 people on payroll will have much of an overall impact on the price of a cruise.

Complaining about having booked cruises and owning stock and having a hard time with it and wanting to sell the stock and cancel the upcoming cruises.

Funny that you have no problem with the employees on the boat earning next to nothing.

[Raxter54]

Funny that you have no problem with the employees on the boat earning next to nothing.

 

This.....

[Thorncroft]

Funny that you have no problem with the employees on the boat earning next to nothing.

 

Have you done the math? With tips, the stewards are probably making as much or more than some of the members on this board.

[NHL Philly Fan]

This is news that is just now starting to pick up steam,

 

Carnival is forcing 200 US based IT Employees to sign a contract that will terminate their employment and will convert them to temporary workers of a company called Capgemini so they can train their replacements in India.

 

Carnival has stated that they are guaranteeing 6 months of employment but the contact they are being forced to sign makes no reassurance that they will have a job for long since they will be "at will" employees.

 

 

No one can MAKE someone train a replacement.

[drosphot]

They're doing something right... :D

 

"Reports Q4 (Nov) earnings of $0.67 per share, excluding non-recurring items, $0.09 better than the Capital IQ Consensus of $0.58; revenues rose 6.0% year/year"

[Je Souhaite]

Disney's website was bad before they outsourced. Now it is horrible.

 

Years ago in the 1980's we had an IBM desktop computer. When we had issues and called tech support, we were connected to Ireland. The language barrier was terrible. Outsourcing has been going on for decades.

 

The language barrier to Ireland?

[bobandsherry]

Have you done the math? With tips, the stewards are probably making as much or more than some of the members on this board.

I'll bet those members aren't working as hard and as many hours. 70+ hours is the norm for those on a ship.

 

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[bobandsherry]

Technology is not a core business for Carnival. Carnival can't keep current with technology with such a small shop (just look at how lame their website is as proof). Outsourcing to a technology company will bring some great talent and ability to keep current as technology changes.

 

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[Sweet Dutch Girl]

I'll bet those members aren't working as hard and as many hours. 70+ hours is the norm for those on a ship.

 

Most people work 8 hours a day, commute for about an hour, spend an hour fixing meals, clean their house, do their errands. Bet most of them work 12 hours a day.

 

What would ship board workers do with a 40 hour workweek. They don't clean a house, run errands, prepare their own meals, commute, etc. I'd rather keep busy then sit in a tiny room for 8 hours a day if I worked on a ship.

 

It's all relative.

[firemanbobswife]

Most people work 8 hours a day, commute for about an hour, spend an hour fixing meals, clean their house, do their errands. Bet most of them work 12 hours a day.

 

What would ship board workers do with a 40 hour workweek. They don't clean a house, run errands, prepare their own meals, commute, etc. I'd rather keep busy then sit in a tiny room for 8 hours a day if I worked on a ship.

 

It's all relative.

 

Most workers on land also get a day or two or three off a week and get to see their families at some point too. Not so much for the workers on the ship. They never get a full day off and it will be months before they see their family.

 

I would rather have the option of going home and doing nothing whether it's on land or on the ship. They're not confined to a "tiny room" aboard the ship just in case you didn't know :rolleyes:.

Edited December 20, 2016 by firemanbobswife

[mpdog42]

Most people work 8 hours a day, commute for about an hour, spend an hour fixing meals, clean their house, do their errands. Bet most of them work 12 hours a day.

 

What would ship board workers do with a 40 hour workweek. They don't clean a house, run errands, prepare their own meals, commute, etc. I'd rather keep busy then sit in a tiny room for 8 hours a day if I worked on a ship.

 

It's all relative.

 

And You Contacting Carnival about the Housekeeping/Cabin Steward Job Position When????

 

Mike

[Doggielover68]

Most workers on land also get a day or two or three off a week and get to see their families at some point too. Not so much for the workers on the ship. They never get a full day off and it will be months before they see their family.

 

I would rather have the option of going home and doing nothing whether it's on land or on the ship. They're not confined to a "tiny room" aboard the ship just in case you didn't know :rolleyes:.

 

 

While this may be true for some, not everyone gets to work the same days and shifts as their family and friends. So many people have to work nights and weekends while others work during the day. In the end, you may be in the same house but it's not quality time.

 

I'm not saying that I want the long, hard hours of the ship staff...but keep in mind that they do get 2-3 months off in between contracts.

 

 

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[Sweet Dutch Girl]

Most workers on land also get a day or two or three off a week and get to see their families at some point too. Not so much for the workers on the ship. They never get a full day off and it will be months before they see their family.

 

I would rather have the option of going home and doing nothing whether it's on land or on the ship. They're not confined to a "tiny room" aboard the ship just in case you didn't know :rolleyes:.

 

Ask a working mother with kids how many days off she gets a week? She doesn't have someone cooking her meals, or washing her clothes. And off duty crew members don't get to hang out at the bar, or the casino, or the pool whenever they wish.

 

Most crew members work with 6 month contracts and paid transport from the ship to home and back with a 4 week leave if they re-up.

 

I'm not saying that life on ship is ideal, but neither are the lives of most of the middle class. I just feel that this "feel sorry" for ship board workers is misplaced and overly exaggerated. My grandfathers worked in coal mines and in ship building for next to nothing, and many people still do in more economically challenged parts of the world. They would probably love to "work on a ship" even if it meant missing their family for extended periods of time.

[firemanbobswife]

While this may be true for some, not everyone gets to work the same days and shifts as their family and friends. So many people have to work nights and weekends while others work during the day. In the end, you may be in the same house but it's not quality time.

 

I'm not saying that I want the long, hard hours of the ship staff...but keep in mind that they do get 2-3 months off in between contracts.

 

 

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Oh believe me, as the wife of a firefighter, I am well aware that not everyone gets to see their family all the time, but at least you can cross paths at some point. We are both very busy people. And I'm not referring to ALL land based occupations as I was also a military wife so I know what 6 month deployments are.

 

2-3 months off is nice, however, I personally couldn't work 12 hour days, every single day with zero days off for 6 months or more at a time. Perhaps that is why I never joined the military or desired to be a cabin steward or waiter on a cruise ship :p.

 

Personally I don't care if they make $100,000 a year. They do a job that very few here in the US would even consider. Plus with all the rude, nasty people they have to deal with every day, they deserve it. They are better than I.

[firemanbobswife]

Ask a working mother with kids how many days off she gets a week? She doesn't have someone cooking her meals, or washing her clothes. And off duty crew members don't get to hang out at the bar, or the casino, or the pool whenever they wish.

 

Most crew members work with 6 month contracts and paid transport from the ship to home and back with a 4 week leave if they re-up.

 

I'm not saying that life on ship is ideal, but neither are the lives of most of the middle class. I just feel that this "feel sorry" for ship board workers is misplaced and overly exaggerated. My grandfathers worked in coal mines and in ship building for next to nothing, and many people still do in more economically challenged parts of the world. They would probably love to "work on a ship" even if it meant missing their family for extended periods of time.

 

I am also a mother so spare me the whole "mom" thing. It's part of the deal. However, not everyone has kids, or maybe theirs have grown up and moved out. There's still a difference of clocking in at work and being there for 12 hours a day vs other everyday life stuff. To most people taking care of their kids is work in a way, yet very rewarding and enjoyable.

 

They do have a crew bar, as well as other things to do like a general crew area where they can spend time with their friends. Some ships also have a crew pool. And yes, they can hang out there whenever they wish when they are off duty.

 

No where did I say I feel sorry for them. Just that I respect what they do. I could never deal with it. To compare their jobs to a 40 hour work week on land isn't even in the same ballpark.

 

Oh and as far as their transportation to and from the ship. Don't assume that Carnival pays the whole thing. They take a certain percentage out of their pay for that. I learned that last cruise from a bartender.

[Sweet Dutch Girl]

There's still a difference of clocking in at work and being there for 12 hours a day vs other everyday life stuff.

 

Everyday life stuff is a job...to think otherwise is to be in la la land. Most of us "normal" folks would love to not have to cook, or clean our homes, or do laundry, the grind of shopping, commuting (sometimes 2 hours a day), shoveling snow or mowing lawns, being a chauffeur. Normal living isn't working 8 hours a day and then doing nothing...few of us can afford a housekeeper, a gardener, a nanny.

 

People who own their own businesses often work 12 hours a day seven days a week. And still have to do everyday life stuff. Same with farmers....ask a dairy farmer how many days off they get each week.

 

Everyone makes choices about "how to earn a living and how to support a family" and we shouldn't be using our personal barometers to judge whether people are being treated "wrongly" when their paying job takes up more time than a basic 9 to 5.

 

I'm sorry if I'm reading you incorrectly but I just get the feeling you are incensed by the working environments on a ship....and I just don't see it as a "bad" thing. Two different opinions.

Edited December 20, 2016 by Sweet Dutch Girl

[dominichunter]

Maybe carnival will train Henry the Windows tech from India, so he wont call me all the time to repair my computer.