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Apparently choosing a new name for Cunard's new ship might be quite complicated and all depends on whether HM The Queen is still alive in 2022.

 

https://cruisearabiaonline.com/2017/09/26/cruise-industry-cunard-face-dilemma-in-choosing-name-for-fourth-ship/

 

We might have to wait until she's actually launched to find out, like what they did with QE2 :eek:

 

What do we all think she'll end up being called?

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Queen Anne.

Queen Alexandra.

Queen Catherine.

 

My personal choice would be the second name (but that doesn't mean I think they'll pick it).

 

Neither Anne or Catherine have been particularly distinguished names in British royal history as queens (so far... ;)), unlike Mary, Victoria and Elizabeth.

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Queen Anne is an architectural/ design style; I know they emphasised the QV had Victorian styling and QE had Art Deco (after her first predecessor) - maybe they’ll go with a similar thing here? There again, in the same vain they could use Alexandra and the tenuous link to Edwardian era styling (a la Mauretania or even Titanic/Olympic!)

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Someone on another thread cleverly noted that the four forward suites on Deck 10 of QM2 are named: Queen Mary, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth and Queen Anne.

 

Based on the fact the other three ship names already apply to vessels still used today, Queen Anne certainly does seem the likely choice based on this observation.

 

Until Camilla decides at the naming ceremony to name it after herself. It's happened before (Queen Mary thought herself England's most loved queen and so we got RMS Queen Mary instead of RMS Queen Victoria).

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I don't think the linked article has any insight as to what the actual naming decision will be. But I'm a fan of Queen Anne (and Queen Camilla would not go over well in my opinion - wasn't she going to called a Princess Consort anyway?).

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It's a shame Cunard have boxed themselves in with all this "Queen" stuff when their traditional "-IA" ending names are both far more pleasing, concise and no more potenially controversial than the original names for Roman provinces they were largely named after. CARONIA, FRANCONIA, CARMANIA, MAURETANIA... what a choice, what history and what great associations with Cunarders past.

 

I doubt they will name her QUEEN ALEXANDRA even if that sounds far better than the other choices. The Danish-born Queen Consort to King Edward VII was the most ardent and outspoken anti-German in the Royal Household and thus hardly a diplomatic choice for Cunard given its newfound interest in the German cruise market. She'd spin her grave if she knew a ship named after her would call at Hamburg or Kiel.

 

And besides, Queen Alexandra was, by all accounts and by a far margin, the most beautiful, radiant and lovely Queen of them all... surely not suitable for the name for this hulking, towering block of flats. Surely.

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It's a shame Cunard have boxed themselves in with all this "Queen" stuff when their traditional "-IA" ending names are both far more pleasing, concise and no more potenially controversial than the original names for Roman provinces they were largely named after. CARONIA, FRANCONIA, CARMANIA, MAURETANIA... what a choice, what history and what great associations with Cunarders past.

 

I doubt they will name her QUEEN ALEXANDRA even if that sounds far better than the other choices. The Danish-born Queen Consort to King Edward VII was the most ardent and outspoken anti-German in the Royal Household and thus hardly a diplomatic choice for Cunard given its newfound interest in the German cruise market. She'd spin her grave if she knew a ship named after her would call at Hamburg or Kiel.

 

And besides, Queen Alexandra was, by all accounts and by a far margin, the most beautiful, radiant and lovely Queen of them all... surely not suitable for the name for this hulking, towering block of flats. Surely.

 

I'm with you on this. My personal favorite has always been Mauretania. But as Wripro said, Queen Latifah might be out there......:eek::cool:

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Hi,

 

I think the new ship most likely will be named Queen Anne. Because Mary, Elizabeth and Victoria are currently in use, there really aren't that many good choices.

 

If it were up to me, I would have reserved the "Queen" naming convention for the flagship ocean liners (like Cunard did in the past). I like the idea of using names such as Caronia and Mauretania for the other ships, but I'm not sure if the general public would appreciate this. Another option for the other ships would have been Cunard _____ (like the Cunard Countess and Cunard Princess). This naming convention would allow for many more options.

 

Chuck

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Here's a radical thought (please don't flame me):).....

 

Instead of another "Queen" or even an "ia" ending name,

since Cunard seems to like to make reference to its White Star side heritage, how about a name ending in "ic" (so long as it's not "Titanic" LOL) ;p:D

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Here's a radical thought (please don't flame me):).....

 

Instead of another "Queen" or even an "ia" ending name,

since Cunard seems to like to make reference to its White Star side heritage, how about a name ending in "ic" (so long as it's not "Titanic" LOL) ;p:D

 

Hi,

 

I like this idea. Majestic, Olympic and Britannic are good names (but the last name is too similar to P&O's Britannia).

 

Chuck

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Here's a radical thought (please don't flame me):).....

 

Instead of another "Queen" or even an "ia" ending name,

since Cunard seems to like to make reference to its White Star side heritage, how about a name ending in "ic" (so long as it's not "Titanic" LOL) ;p:D

I believe I read in one edition of the Cunarder that their connection to white star is actually more tenuous than popularly believed - Cunard White Star was apparently a separate 3rd operating company which Cunard and White Star held the shares at a 60:40 ratio, transferring control of their fleets to the new company. When Cunard bought out WS, they just purchased the 40% holding that WS had in the company and took direct control again - the two companies never actually formally merged as is commonly believed. I assume White Star just finished trading after this? It’s been a while since I read it but I’m certain that was the gist of it all.

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Well, since Cunard is ultimately American owned, we could end up with Queen Latifah or Queen Melania

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Hi,

 

The last "ic" ship to sail for Cunard was the Britannic (which entered service in 1930 and was scrapped in 1960). It retained the traditional White Star buff funnel color until the end. The Georgic entered service later (1932), but was scrapped in 1956.

 

Chuck

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Priscilla (Queen of the Desert)

 

What do you think, Aussie Cunarders?

 

Cunard did a Priscilla event on the bow of QE a number of years ago when she sailed into Sydney for Mardi Gras. Drag queen on top of a giant glittery shoe.

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I like your post kohl 57. I opt for Queen Alexandera anyway- I know she was almost deaf and not blind- so maybe she will spin in her grave when they dock in Germany! I am quite sure they ( Cunard ) stick to their " Queen" tradition! A ship in de Edwardian style- hm- I think we have that a bit in the Queen Victoria already! Cunard told their will be traditionell Cunard style things on baord along with new ones! If they really do away with the prommenade deck the new Cunarder, whatever name they may choose for her will not be my ship of choice!

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Hi,

 

I like this idea. Majestic, Olympic and Britannic are good names (but the last name is too similar to P&O's Britannia).

 

Chuck

And the Titanic's sister ship Britannic did sink in 1916. If they did the bizzaro world thing and name this new ship Queen Melania well at least it does end with the letters ia just like Queen Victoria.If they wanted to use one of the White Star Line names Olympic would be a good choice. However for marketing reasons Cunard probably would want to go with a Queen name and it probably will be Queen Anne. Regards,Jerry

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While Cunard will likely keep withing the Queen____ naming convention, I personally would like to see Aquitania. A beautiful name for a ship.

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While Cunard will likely keep withing the Queen____ naming convention, I personally would like to see Aquitania. A beautiful name for a ship.

 

More appropriate would be the Caronia, fondly known as the green goddess for being painted multiple shades of that colour. She was Cunard's first purpose built cruise ship.

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BERENGARIA - A queen with the -ia ending. Pleases the traditionalists who want an -ia name, keeps the queen's motif going and the original RMS Berengaria was a little top heavy, a bit like the pictures of her that we've seen so far.

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While Cunard will likely keep withing the Queen____ naming convention, I personally would like to see Aquitania. A beautiful name for a ship.

And a beautiful 4 masted ship!

My father sailed on her as a troop ship, when he was deployed to Europe during WWII...he came home on a Liberty ship...guess which one was nicer... :D

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And a beautiful 4 masted ship!

My father sailed on her as a troop ship, when he was deployed to Europe during WWII...he came home on a Liberty ship...guess which one was nicer... :D

I think you mean And a beautiful 4 funnel ship! Regards,Jerry

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Has Cunard ever had a ship named after a King ? I would think a King George could be a good name so long as it is not George III. Might be a thing here in the USA.

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BERENGARIA - A queen with the -ia ending. Pleases the traditionalists who want an -ia name, keeps the queen's motif going and the original RMS Berengaria was a little top heavy, a bit like the pictures of her that we've seen so far.

 

Queen Berengaria, I rather like that, and the original ship was BEAUTIFUL. Come to think of it, were any of the ocean liners of yesteryear ugly in the same way as some modern cruise ships?

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Queen Berengaria, I rather like that, and the original ship was BEAUTIFUL. Come to think of it, were any of the ocean liners of yesteryear ugly in the same way as some modern cruise ships?

 

I was thinking more of her days as Imperartor when she had a giant gilded eagle on the bow and needed to have the marble bathrooms on the upper decks ripped out and concrete poured into her to lower her centre of gravity.

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Queen Berengaria, I rather like that, and the original ship was BEAUTIFUL. Come to think of it, were any of the ocean liners of yesteryear ugly in the same way as some modern cruise ships?

 

I can think of two: Royal Mail Line's Amazon (1959) and the French Line's Champlain (1932) - look at that funnel!

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Queen Berengaria, I rather like that, and the original ship was BEAUTIFUL. Come to think of it, were any of the ocean liners of yesteryear ugly in the same way as some modern cruise ships?

If by ‘in the same way’ you’re limiting it to stacks of decks giving a top heavy appearance then I think that’s a relatively recent phenomenon, but there’s plenty of less than beautiful ships from the age of steam and earlier, it’s just the most notable big flagships tended to get more time and money lavished on making them look more appealing as being a ‘halo product’ was part of their job!

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HI : I would place a (small) wager on CUNARD breaking out and NOT naming this newbie a QUEEN...Queen Anne? Not a very striking name for a ship. Also, since she is basically a blown up Vista class ship (a la HAL Koningsdam/Pinnacle) no worries about it NOT having a wrapped promenade...pretty sure this is a feature CUNARD would never break tradition with.

 

3,000+ guests, she'll be the largest capacity CUNARD ship. I've been on the Koningsdam and knowing CUNARD, whatever she's called, it will be an amazing ship - the two level mid-ship pool area is stunning (on Koningsdam) and covered, a feature sadly missing on the Victoria and Elizabeth and for reasons I can't figure out, except to give the Wintergarden's ample room. They surely could have incorporated those respective venues into an indoor/outdoor (covered) feature. It would have been nice crossing the Atlantic this past January on QE. Lot's of ice on the deck.

 

My question is where will this new ship go? I don't see current voyages being sold out (regularly). Why not position this (or the Victoria or Elizabeth) in the US - Cunard is not a well known brand in the US but should be and we could use everything that Cunard is famous for here in the States. I've crossed the pond four times with Cunard in the past year (3 on QM2 and once on QE) and getting tired of flying to the UK to catch a ride (not really.) Cunard outshines and out delivers anything close to price and standards of service (IMO). Cunard transiting the canal; Hawaii; Alaska - we need some solid, sound British appeal over here. Show the Americans (I'm one of them) how it's done, what it's really like to cruise. Want to climb a rock, go to Wyoming, or sail on a floating theme park. Tea?

 

The journey continues, and always will.

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I think the way modern trends are happening it might be easier than you think for Cunard to obtain a suitable name for the new cruise liner. Why not do what the Natural Environment Research Council did to name their new Polar Research Vessel, by trying to democratically seek a name though social media on their website. What could go wrong? You end up with a very popular name everybody loves and it's the epitome of democracy.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/boaty-mcboatface-wins-poll-to-name-polar-research-vessel

 

 

Regards John

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I think the way modern trends are happening it might be easier than you think for Cunard to obtain a suitable name for the new cruise liner. Why not do what the Natural Environment Research Council did to name their new Polar Research Vessel, by trying to democratically seek a name though social media on their website. What could go wrong? You end up with a very popular name everybody loves and it's the epitome of democracy.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/17/boaty-mcboatface-wins-poll-to-name-polar-research-vessel

 

 

Regards John

 

We'd end up with Queeny McQueenface

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We'd end up with Queeny McQueenface

That would be almost as bad as “QE2 II”!

 

I’d be happy enough with Queen Anne or Alexandra, but I think they’re really limiting themselves for the future if they ever wanted to add a 5th ship, plus when the current fleet retires and they get into the endless cycling of names between ‘new’ versions of ships... this really should be taken as their chance to escape the Queen naming convention and go back to ias. I see some people above mentioned Berengaria - that would be an easy first step away from Queen names, Mauretania would be another good choice as it’s a pretty well known name to anyone who is even vaguely into ships (as most people who sail with Cunard likely are?)

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In sept 2017 Cunard announced to build a new ship - ready for take-off in 2022.

But they didn't reveal its name yet. What do you think? Its internal name seems to be "Halifax".

Probably it will be a new Queen, standing in line with its predecessors to continue a

great tradition - so, we will get a "Queen X". But what is X?

 

As I remember, there weren't any further female members of the Royal family with the title "Queen" in near history - beside Elizabeth, Mary and Victoria. (They cannot call it "Queen Mum" and I do not believe in fantasy-names.)

Cunard would do very well to keep tradition - especially in naming their ships.

 

But it will take 5 years to reach 2022 and much things can happen.

What do you think about a "Queen Camilla" or a "Queen Catherine"?

 

When Kate and William feel to be ready, Elizabeth will probably abdicate in the end. (I know there is someone else).

But imagine the publicity! The young, all over admired, new Queen Catherine can launch

her own ship - like Queen Elizabeth did in 2010. It would combine tradition with modern elegance, to find a new young and fresh spirit.

 

But if nothing happens untill 2022, they will call it "Queen Ann" or "Queen Mary 3".

 

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ?

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It is my guess that the new Cunard Ship will be named Queen Anne. Concerning your theory and what do I know about the British Monarchy since I'm an American citizen but does Elizabeth have to stay on as Queen until she dies? And isn't her son Charles next in line to take over as King? If your theory is right and Elizabeth does have the right to abdicate the throne and she does before the year 2022 and if her son Charles is not interested in becoming King then William becomes King and his wife becomes Queen and William's wife names the new Cunard Ship after herself with the name Queen Catherine would look interesting. Regards,Jerry

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It is my guess that the new Cunard Ship will be named Queen Anne. Concerning your theory and what do I know about the British Monarchy since I'm an American citizen but does Elizabeth have to stay on as Queen until she dies? And isn't her son Charles next in line to take over as King? If your theory is right and Elizabeth does have the right to abdicate the throne and she does before the year 2022 and if her son Charles is not interested in becoming King then William becomes King and his wife becomes Queen and William's wife names the new Cunard Ship after herself with the name Queen Catherine would look interesting. Regards,Jerry

The Queen has stated she intends to stay true to her coronation vows and will never abdicate as Queen. A period of official regency, however, is a distinct possibility as she grows older and less able to keep up with the workload. In that situation, Prince Charles would become the ‘Prince Regent’ and effectively take over the Queen’s duties as ‘acting King’ to all intents and purposes.

 

There is zero chance Charles will abdicate the throne either - for all a small, vocal minority of hateful people keep pouring scorn on him, public opinion is still ultimately behind him. Even people who don’t like him generally realise that you don’t get a choice with monarchy, you have to take the good with the bad, as has always been the case. We’ve had popular and unpopular monarchs before, as well as objectively good and bad ones.

 

Ultimately the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge have as many detractors as the Duke and Duchess of Cornwall, they just tend not to be as vocal about it. The D&D of Cambridge hardly ever make public appearances - a fraction of the Queen and Duke of Edinburgh’s even now they’re in their 90s... even Prince Harry does more and he’s not even in line tho the throne at all!

In sept 2017 Cunard announced to build a new ship - ready for take-off in 2022.

But they didn't reveal its name yet. What do you think? Its internal name seems to be "Halifax".

Probably it will be a new Queen, standing in line with its predecessors to continue a

great tradition - so, we will get a "Queen X". But what is X?

 

As I remember, there weren't any further female members of the Royal family with the title "Queen" in near history - beside Elizabeth, Mary and Victoria. (They cannot call it "Queen Mum" and I do not believe in fantasy-names.)

Cunard would do very well to keep tradition - especially in naming their ships.

 

But it will take 5 years to reach 2022 and much things can happen.

What do you think about a "Queen Camilla" or a "Queen Catherine"?

 

When Kate and William feel to be ready, Elizabeth will probably abdicate in the end. (I know there is someone else).

But imagine the publicity! The young, all over admired, new Queen Catherine can launch

her own ship - like Queen Elizabeth did in 2010. It would combine tradition with modern elegance, to find a new young and fresh spirit.

 

But if nothing happens untill 2022, they will call it "Queen Ann" or "Queen Mary 3".

 

AND WHAT DO YOU THINK ?

Queen Elizabeth (II; Queen regnant; arguably the namesake of QE2 though the official line is that she’s the second “Queen Elizabeth”. The Queen did, in effect, name the ship after herself when she spoke at the launch though.)

Queen Elizabeth (consort to George VI, namesake of QE, 1940 and QE 2010)

Queen Mary (consort to George V, namesake of QM 1936)

Queen Alexandra (consort to Edward VII)

Queen Victoria (regnant, namesake of QV 2007)

Queen Adelaide (consort to William IV)

Queen Caroline (consort to George IV)

Queen Charlotte (consort to George III)

Queen Caroline (consort to George II)

Queen Anne (Queen regnant)

 

There’s plenty of further ‘queens’ to Choose from, but not all of them were popular or married to kings who are well remembered, many are obscure in popular culture.

 

Probably the only two on that list with any resonance would be Alexandra, the consort of Queen Victoria’s son Edward VII who was very popular at the time and well remembered, or Queen Anne, Queen I her own right and the first queen of Britain as a single country. Anne is probably the more likely as there’s already the Queen Anne suite on QM2...

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