Shmoo here Posted December 17, 2019 #26 Share Posted December 17, 2019 44 minutes ago, kevingastreich said: If they offer it...you can book it. When you book a cruise, you are not required to research laws and rules to make sure you are not violating any. Yes. There are people who book several cruises "just in case" and then cancel the ones they don't want to do. The cruise line doesn't know if that's what someone is doing when they book cruises that can violate the PVSA. Until it gets too close, and then they will notify you that you have to cancel one or the other. But, it's certainly a better idea to find out ahead of time whether two cruises you may want to take can be combined or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richwmn Posted December 17, 2019 #27 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) the OP states that the cruise is ending in Vancouver. That fact alone is enough to pass the requirements of the PVSA. Edited December 17, 2019 by richwmn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBill99 Posted December 17, 2019 #28 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Aren't you booking it as two separate cruises? If so (and probably even if not), you'd need to go thru immigration between cruise segments anyway, so it would not be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richwmn Posted December 17, 2019 #29 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 minutes ago, MisterBill99 said: Aren't you booking it as two separate cruises? If so (and probably even if not), you'd need to go thru immigration between cruise segments anyway, so it would not be an issue. It really doesn't matter if you go thru immigration or not. It all depends on where the cruise begins and ends for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterBill99 Posted December 17, 2019 #30 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, richwmn said: It really doesn't matter if you go thru immigration or not. It all depends on where the cruise begins and ends for you. So even if you book it as two separate cruises it is considered one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted December 17, 2019 #31 Share Posted December 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, MisterBill99 said: So even if you book it as two separate cruises it is considered one? The PVSA looks at where you got on, and where you eventually get off, and where you stopped. Going through Immigration midway through has absolutely nothing to do with the issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare richwmn Posted December 17, 2019 #32 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, MisterBill99 said: So even if you book it as two separate cruises it is considered one? You could book as many back to backs as you want. As far as the PVSA is concerned, like @CruiserBruce said, it only matters where you board the ship and get off. Time does not matter either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted December 17, 2019 #33 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, richwmn said: You could book as many back to backs as you want. As far as the PVSA is concerned, like @CruiserBruce said, it only matters where you board the ship and get off. Time does not matter either. And, again, as mentioned previously, the key rule is...a non US flagged cruise shall not transport passengers between 2 US ports without a stop at a "distant foreign port ". No mention of where you go through Immigration in that. The closest "distant foreign ports" are not in Canada or central America. They are further away than that. Cartagena and the ABC islands are used for meeting PVSA during repo cruises. Those are the closest distant foreign ports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Cruisers Posted December 17, 2019 #34 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Omg if you want to be sure just ask a licensed travel agent not an armchair quarterback lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiserBruce Posted December 17, 2019 #35 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Serious Cruisers said: Omg if you want to be sure just ask a licensed travel agent not an armchair quarterback lol Some people know the rules...some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted December 17, 2019 #36 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, CruiserBruce said: Some people know the rules...some don't. Exactly. I had to educate my travel agent about the PVSA a number of years ago. Even the people who answer the phones at the cruise lines often don't understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serious Cruisers Posted December 17, 2019 #37 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Shmoo here said: Exactly. I had to educate my travel agent about the PVSA a number of years ago. Even the people who answer the phones at the cruise lines often don't understand it. Yikes you need a better agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted December 17, 2019 #38 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Serious Cruisers said: Yikes you need a better agent She's actually pretty good. She just didn't understand the PVSA. Now she does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingastreich Posted December 18, 2019 #39 Share Posted December 18, 2019 21 hours ago, Shmoo here said: Yes. There are people who book several cruises "just in case" and then cancel the ones they don't want to do. The cruise line doesn't know if that's what someone is doing when they book cruises that can violate the PVSA. Until it gets too close, and then they will notify you that you have to cancel one or the other. But, it's certainly a better idea to find out ahead of time whether two cruises you may want to take can be combined or not. If you leave one ship and get on another ship...it's a new cruise so no problem. If you are on a B2B that the cruise line offers...again, no problem. If people want to try and find a problem where none exists...be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevingastreich Posted December 18, 2019 #40 Share Posted December 18, 2019 19 hours ago, Shmoo here said: She's actually pretty good. She just didn't understand the PVSA. Now she does. She didn't understand the PVSA because SHE DIDN'T NEED TOO. It's not a problem you're ever gonna have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmoo here Posted December 18, 2019 #41 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, kevingastreich said: If you leave one ship and get on another ship...it's a new cruise so no problem. If you are on a B2B that the cruise line offers...again, no problem. If people want to try and find a problem where none exists...be my guest. There's been no discussion saying that the 2 cruises are on different ships, but, yes, there's no problem if that's what's booked. As to booking a B2B (on the same ship) where the two cruises taken together there could be a problem. I doubt that the people who've been notified 3 weeks before a booked B2B that violated the PVSA they have to cancel one or the other of their cruises would agree with you. Yes, I know it's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare *Miss G* Posted December 18, 2019 #42 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I’m doing a Vancouver-Seattle itinerary and received this email regarding the cruise immediately before mine... same ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retafcruiser Posted December 18, 2019 #43 Share Posted December 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, *Miss G* said: I’m doing a Vancouver-Seattle itinerary and received this email regarding the cruise immediately before mine... same ship. You do understand why, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare *Miss G* Posted December 18, 2019 #44 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, retafcruiser said: You do understand why, correct? Of course. That’s why I didn’t book it when I saw it. Editing to clarify that I didn’t need the email to tell me what I already knew but I think it was a good idea for HAL to send it. Edited December 18, 2019 by *Miss G* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveOKC Posted December 18, 2019 Author #45 Share Posted December 18, 2019 11 hours ago, *Miss G* said: I’m doing a Vancouver-Seattle itinerary and received this email regarding the cruise immediately before mine... same ship. I have gotten this type of email in the past, so thats why I am asking ahead of booking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveOKC Posted December 19, 2019 Author #46 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Ok - just got a casino mailer that included the Mexico cruise, so I went ahead and booked it (already had the Coastal booked), so we will see (HAL PCC did not say anything about it so I assume it is OK - will double check though). Thanks for all the information! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeniEncinitas Posted December 19, 2019 #47 Share Posted December 19, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 7:55 PM, CruiserBruce said: Some people know the rules...some don't. I agree with you CruiserBruce! Denise😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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