BRANDEE Posted March 26, 2020 #2176 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Ovation of the Sea that docked Wednesday in Sydney, one day before the Ruby, also had undetected corona virus passenger. How come we only here about Ruby. Both were botched by health officials. No testing upon leaving. Scary! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted March 26, 2020 #2177 Share Posted March 26, 2020 51 minutes ago, BRANDEE said: Ovation of the Sea that docked Wednesday in Sydney, one day before the Ruby, also had undetected corona virus passenger. How come we only here about Ruby. Both were botched by health officials. No testing upon leaving. Scary! Voyager of the Seas and the Celebrity Solstice also had positive cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted March 26, 2020 #2178 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, BRANDEE said: Ovation of the Sea that docked Wednesday in Sydney, one day before the Ruby, also had undetected corona virus passenger. How come we only here about Ruby. Both were botched by health officials. No testing upon leaving. Scary! All have been covered in the local media. However Ruby has had by far the biggest number of cases infected onboard. Others are less than 10% of Ruby, so it's just a point of scale. Ruby is the most significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 26, 2020 #2179 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Must be well over 150 positive tests from Ruby in Australia now. 17 today just in our state. Half of our infections have come from cruises. A quarter of those from Ruby. Edited March 26, 2020 by Pushka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_Westy Posted March 26, 2020 #2180 Share Posted March 26, 2020 The whole situation is quite dire regarding cruise ships and I hope all vessels are parked up for a few months ASAP given the health risks involved. Apparently the Navy is about to chase a cruise ship the Artania from Australian waters off the coast of Freemantle and we have more due to arrive in NSW. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/passengers-on-artania-cruise-ship-off-wa-test-positive-covid-19/12091884 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted March 26, 2020 #2181 Share Posted March 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Just_Westy said: The whole situation is quite dire regarding cruise ships and I hope all vessels are parked up for a few months ASAP given the health risks involved. Cruise ships get the (bad) publicity because it is easy to count the instances when this occurs. But if you look at the over 450,000 cases on land, hardly any can be traced to a cruise ship. To some extent it is like norovirus on cruise ships. In the USA, over 20 million people a year catch the norovirus. But you hear the (bad) publicity when just 50 people have it on a cruise ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted March 26, 2020 #2182 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, caribill said: Cruise ships get the (bad) publicity because it is easy to count the instances when this occurs. But if you look at the over 450,000 cases on land, hardly any can be traced to a cruise ship. To some extent it is like norovirus on cruise ships. In the USA, over 20 million people a year catch the norovirus. But you hear the (bad) publicity when just 50 people have it on a cruise ship. Half of the cases of Covid in our Australian state have been traced to cruise ships and 1/4 of those come from Ruby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_Westy Posted March 26, 2020 #2183 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 minute ago, caribill said: But if you look at the over 450,000 cases on land, hardly any can be traced to a cruise ship. I'd have to disagree we have over 130 right now linked to just the Ruby Princess and there are other cases here in Australia linked to ships that have been here before. The MSC Magnifica was allowed to refuel but sent on it's way with plenty of people onboard reporting respiratory issues. I think currently there are quite a few ships will ill people on them at sea looking to offload passsengers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted March 26, 2020 #2184 Share Posted March 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Just_Westy said: The whole situation is quite dire regarding cruise ships and I hope all vessels are parked up for a few months ASAP given the health risks involved. Apparently the Navy is about to chase a cruise ship the Artania from Australian waters off the coast of Freemantle and we have more due to arrive in NSW. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/passengers-on-artania-cruise-ship-off-wa-test-positive-covid-19/12091884 I had the impression that the Navy might be used to evacuate any very ill passengers off the Artania. I would be very disappointed if the Western Australian government (or the Australian government) refused to meet their international obligations to give help to a ship in distress. There are seven (or is it ten) cases of the virus on the Artania and if any the condition of any of these people deteriorate, the medical centre on the ship would not be able to care for them adequately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just_Westy Posted March 26, 2020 #2185 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Aus Traveller said: I had the impression that the Navy might be used to evacuate any very ill passengers off the Artania. I would be very disappointed if the Western Australian government (or the Australian government) refused to meet their international obligations to give help to a ship in distress. There are seven (or is it ten) cases of the virus on the Artania and if any the condition of any of these people deteriorate, the medical centre on the ship would not be able to care for them adequately. It's certainly an interesting story and I expect that WA would do the right thing regarding sick passengers but it appears they don't want to be resposible for the whole ship. https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-australia-demands-german-cruise-ship-leave-its-waters-immediately/a-52920202 "Its home port is actually Germany...This ship needs to leave immediately. I want the Commonwealth to make that happen," McGowan told reporters in Perth. If the seven ill passengers need to disembark for treatment, they will need to go to a government facility, such as a defense force base, he added. The Australian and German governments could then arrange for them to fly home after their treatment. Passengers will not be allowed to disembark in Australia except in the case of a "life-threatening emergency." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aus Traveller Posted March 26, 2020 #2186 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, Just_Westy said: It's certainly an interesting story and I expect that WA would do the right thing regarding sick passengers but it appears they don't want to be resposible for the whole ship. https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-australia-demands-german-cruise-ship-leave-its-waters-immediately/a-52920202 "Its home port is actually Germany...This ship needs to leave immediately. I want the Commonwealth to make that happen," McGowan told reporters in Perth. If the seven ill passengers need to disembark for treatment, they will need to go to a government facility, such as a defense force base, he added. The Australian and German governments could then arrange for them to fly home after their treatment. Passengers will not be allowed to disembark in Australia except in the case of a "life-threatening emergency." The WA Premier makes it clear that he wants his government to have nothing to do with the passengers on the Artania. He is saying it is OK if the Commonwealth evacuates people in a "life-threatening emergency" off the ship and also takes responsibility for their treatment. Germany is chartering plans to bring its people home from all around the world: Egypt, Morocco, South American countries. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samiam1 Posted March 26, 2020 #2187 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Same scenario apparently on two Costa ships heading towards Florida, sick crews, passengers debarked with no tests: https://www.foxnews.com/travel/2-costa-cruise-ships-toward-florida-sick-crew-members 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samiam1 Posted March 26, 2020 #2188 Share Posted March 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Just_Westy said: MSC Magnifica was allowed to refuel but sent on it's way with plenty of people onboard reporting respiratory issues. I think currently there are quite a few ships will ill people on them at sea looking to offload passsengers. Cruise ships were a major vector dfor COVID spread, I suspect we do not know the half of it. After Diamond princes everyone except apparently the cruise lines knew these ships were ideal pestilence spreaders and petri dishes, here's more proof: https://www.foxnews.com/travel/2-costa-cruise-ships-toward-florida-sick-crew-members 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2189 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Not exactly the news I was expecting, this is not good. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22664-cdc-defer-cruise-travel-inside-the-princess-outbreak.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2190 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just to make it more confusing, here is Princess response. https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/22674-princess-clarifies-covid-19-testing-on-cruise-ships-in-response-to-cdc-report.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare sparks1093 Posted March 26, 2020 #2191 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Really not surprising. Of course none of us know how long all of this is going to last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2192 Share Posted March 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, sparks1093 said: Really not surprising. Of course none of us know how long all of this is going to last. True, we do not know. What we do know now is what the CDC recommends (significantly worse than previous) and that some of the germs are alive 17 days (not known before). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theosprey247 Posted March 26, 2020 #2193 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I thought they found a dead virus. Or did I read it wrong? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2194 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Just now, Theosprey247 said: I thought they found a dead virus. Or did I read it wrong? I got a C- in Biology....😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2195 Share Posted March 26, 2020 My reason for posting was their recommendation much more than the details..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanger727 Posted March 26, 2020 #2196 Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Theosprey247 said: I thought they found a dead virus. Or did I read it wrong? Yes, that's how I read it to. This whole thing is overblown. Surfaces were left uncleaned for the purpose of testing. And dead virus remains were found on them. Sounds like common sense. If a school had a known infected teacher and then they closed and asked the school not to clean the classroom the teacher was in so they could test it. And 3 weeks later they test it and find virus RNA. The conclusion is the CDC should recommend we don't have kids go to school anymore? Edited March 26, 2020 by sanger727 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingViper Posted March 26, 2020 #2197 Share Posted March 26, 2020 agreed, I'm really confused why finding a dead virus rna after not cleaning is any kind of big deal. Finding a "live" virus is what we should be worried about. I'm guessing it was an ignorant journalist trying to cause panic. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DubNHub Posted March 26, 2020 #2198 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Vaccines are made with dead viruses. This journalist gonna make a big deal about that too? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2199 Share Posted March 26, 2020 I guess the point is, at the high level.....CDC says defer all cruise travel as of 2 days ago, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted March 26, 2020 #2200 Share Posted March 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, DubNHub said: Vaccines are made with dead viruses. This journalist gonna make a big deal about that too? Well, that would obviously be the silver lining. Wish it were fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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