Rare oskidunker Posted February 3, 2021 #1 Share Posted February 3, 2021 My travel agent sent me a copy of a letter sent to her. Has this always been the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LandC Posted February 3, 2021 #2 Share Posted February 3, 2021 I always understood that Saga were keen to attract passengers living outside the UK. Perhaps this has changed due to the current Situation with Coronavirus. What does the letter say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comcox Posted February 3, 2021 #3 Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 hours ago, oskidunker said: My travel agent sent me a copy of a letter sent to her. Has this always been the case? I'm an American and have booked with Saga before so I expect it is due to the pandemic and the various travel restrictions which keep changing. I hope that's not forever as I have my eye on a 2022 cruise with Saga. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted February 3, 2021 Author #4 Share Posted February 3, 2021 9 hours ago, comcox said: I'm an American and have booked with Saga before so I expect it is due to the pandemic and the various travel restrictions which keep changing. I hope that's not forever as I have my eye on a 2022 cruise with Saga. May be but they wont take a booking now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted February 3, 2021 #5 Share Posted February 3, 2021 Its a bit of an academic point , unless you want first to quaratine for 2 weeks in UK. Secondly I imagine they are just getting their minds around how people from UK prove they've been vaccinated. Never mind how to do that for someone from US. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comcox Posted February 6, 2021 #6 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 3:46 PM, Windsurfboy said: Its a bit of an academic point , unless you want first to quaratine for 2 weeks in UK. Secondly I imagine they are just getting their minds around how people from UK prove they've been vaccinated. Never mind how to do that for someone from US. NHS is giving out cards showing vaccine dates, etc. The U.S., at least in our state, are doing the same thing. We have a card showing which vaccine we got and on what date. U.K. has shortened quarantine to 10 days now with Covid test on departure from country of origin. You can also shorten quarantine period by taking another Covid test after 5 days in quarantine. All the tests have to be documented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denarius Posted February 7, 2021 #7 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 8:46 PM, Windsurfboy said: Its a bit of an academic point , unless you want first to quaratine for 2 weeks in UK. Secondly I imagine they are just getting their minds around how people from UK prove they've been vaccinated. Never mind how to do that for someone from US. I was/am booked on a Saga cruise on 6 May, now rearranged for 2 June. Someone from Saga rang me a few days after I was notified by letter to check if the new date was acceptable and to answer any questions. I asked how I would be required to prove that I had been vaccinated, and was told that I would need to show the NHS vaccination card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 11, 2021 #8 Share Posted February 11, 2021 Sadly, cards can easily be faked, unless they are backed up by a secure database. Look at what is happening with fake covid test docs. We took photos of each other getting the shots at our big county vax center. Photos show the vaccinators, us getting jabbed, and general surroundings, plus photos of us holding up our new vax cards. All of that can be faked with Photoshop 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comcox Posted February 13, 2021 #9 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Where we live we are getting small cards with date, type of vaccine, etc. but I have no idea if those will be accepted. We are scheduled for second jab in ten days, hopefully, if supply comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted February 13, 2021 #10 Share Posted February 13, 2021 3 hours ago, comcox said: Where we live we are getting small cards with date, type of vaccine, etc. but I have no idea if those will be accepted. We are scheduled for second jab in ten days, hopefully, if supply comes in. The cards you are getting seem very much like the ones being issued in the UK. Saga have said that these cards will be accepted ss proof that you have been vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 14, 2021 #11 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Vax cards £1.49.... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13877672/covid-fraudsters-flogging-fake-coronavirus-vaccination-cards/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenndale Posted February 14, 2021 #12 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Sadly it was only a matter of time before this happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kool kruiser Posted February 14, 2021 #13 Share Posted February 14, 2021 It now seems, unsurprisingly, that the UK government is actively engaged in developing an internationally accepted vaccine travel passport, to be used to prove vaccinations have been given. A very good development, IMHO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 14, 2021 #14 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Good luck with that, people are already whining that such passports are “unfair” to those that can’t, or won’t, get the vaccine... In the US, we have a law called the ADA that would pretty much prevent such passports being used. Unless congress amended the law, which is VERY unlikely to happen. In a nutshell, it says companies can’t discriminate against persons with medical or mental disabilities. Fear of vaccination would likely be covered by the law.... Physical sensitivity to vaccines certainly would. The lawsuits would be endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted February 14, 2021 #15 Share Posted February 14, 2021 What does the US do about countries that ask for say yellow fever before they let people in ? I expect at moment accept it. If it became the norm outside USA to have a vaccination passport to enter a country, would US ask for exemptions for its citizens, or would they stick to no vaccination pasport rule an say hard luck don't go abroad Or would they create one but not allow use inside US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted February 14, 2021 #16 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Much of the protests about unfairness/discrimination are from those who seem to think that the a vaccination passport is being made mandatory within their country. I doubt that any country will make vaccination passports mandatory for their citizens. It is quite possible that many countries will make proof of vaccination mandatory for others to enter, sensible governments will discuss what type of proof will be universally recognised so that those who want one can get one. I believe the vaccination passport will not be needed to leave your country - but it may be needed to enter another. Just like you need a normal passport. Don't want to travel? no need for one. Want to travel? then get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted February 14, 2021 #17 Share Posted February 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Vax cards £1.49.... https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13877672/covid-fraudsters-flogging-fake-coronavirus-vaccination-cards/ They look like the real ones, so I hope (but doubt) that the NHS will track and fine the people who stole them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenndale Posted February 14, 2021 #18 Share Posted February 14, 2021 The ‘official’ ones are just printed card, very easy to replicate. Highly doubt that they’ve been stolen from NHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comcox Posted February 15, 2021 #19 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 20 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Good luck with that, people are already whining that such passports are “unfair” to those that can’t, or won’t, get the vaccine... In the US, we have a law called the ADA that would pretty much prevent such passports being used. Unless congress amended the law, which is VERY unlikely to happen. In a nutshell, it says companies can’t discriminate against persons with medical or mental disabilities. Fear of vaccination would likely be covered by the law.... Physical sensitivity to vaccines certainly would. The lawsuits would be endless. In the U.S. I believe there has already been discussion that employers would be allowed to require their employees to be vaccinated so this may not be covered by ADA. And, yes, we are required to have a Yellow Fever vaccination card to enter some countries; ADA does not apply. Edited February 15, 2021 by comcox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kool kruiser Posted February 15, 2021 #20 Share Posted February 15, 2021 20 hours ago, Ragnar Danneskjold said: Good luck with that, people are already whining that such passports are “unfair” to those that can’t, or won’t, get the vaccine... In the US, we have a law called the ADA that would pretty much prevent such passports being used. Unless congress amended the law, which is VERY unlikely to happen. In a nutshell, it says companies can’t discriminate against persons with medical or mental disabilities. Fear of vaccination would likely be covered by the law.... Physical sensitivity to vaccines certainly would. The lawsuits would be endless. Curiously, my newspaper mentioned the US as being one of the countries with whom we are currently speaking regarding development😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 15, 2021 #21 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Wait until the idea runs into the special interest lobbies. Many a good idea is stillborn in the lobbies of Congress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 15, 2021 #22 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) And which US airline will be first to deny boarding on a domestic flight to a Black family because they left their vax cards at home? The correct answer is: none. PS - it would only work if it was an FAA requirement, applied at security screening. And you know the likelihood of that... PPS - on a brighter note, vaccination rates are climbing fast, and new infections are falling fast, at least in California. So maybe in a few months the vaccine passport will not be needed. Edited February 15, 2021 by Ragnar Danneskjold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfool Posted February 15, 2021 #23 Share Posted February 15, 2021 Regardless of the ADA or any other law or regulation, there will be restrictions by whomever to avoid legalities associated with the COVID contagion. Airlines already have mask requirements in place....no mask, no fly. Cruise lines will make restrictions that will enable them to stay in business and passengers will comply. Special interests will have their say, but in the end, business rules. Example: Many believe that OSHA in the US was made law to provide a safer workplace. That is an ancillary benefit. OSHA became law to benefit business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted February 16, 2021 #24 Share Posted February 16, 2021 "KEEP THIS CARD SAFE" is the message on the ones in the UK. Saw 2 dropped on the pavement today (both with first doses filled in), looks as if they were dropped when getting in/out of the car. Checked DH card was still safe (it is) and realised that his vaccinator has the same problem as me, remembering what year it is.. year is down as 2022. Always said he was ahead of his time..😁 Not too bothered about whether proof of vaccine is/is not required - it is going to be a while yet before it all settles down and international agreement is reached on what needs to be done. Some places/ships/airlines/countries will, some won't. I'll worry about it as and when decisions are made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Danneskjold Posted February 18, 2021 #25 Share Posted February 18, 2021 On 2/14/2021 at 1:20 AM, Glenndale said: Sadly it was only a matter of time before this happened. https://www.timesofisrael.com/thousands-reportedly-attempt-to-obtain-easily-forged-vaccinated-certificate/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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