No smoking on balconys?

Some of the comments on this thread are amusing, if not sad. To think RCI can't or won't enforce this is idiotic. Go ahead and keep believing that nonsense. Just look at Celebrity and Princess. This same exact debate took place when their policies went into affect. Now, you light up on one of those balconies and staff sees you or you are reported, it's an immediate fine. The same thing will happen on RCI.

 

To the non smokers, you won. There's no sense arguing with rude smokers who think the policy doesn't apply to them. Their inability to be courteous is exactly why this policy now exists. Why would they act any different on an anonymous website? They can only blame themselves for it. They'll never see it, but we know better. So let's just let it be. Again, we won.

Amen! It is what it is. So time to let it go. :)

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Uh huh.

Uh huh.

Hey, think whatever floats your boat (or cruise ship?) Doesn't bother me - but you might want to notice this wasn't the only - or even the first - thread I posted in...

... As I said I don't see an issue with e-cigs outdoors. Indoors in a closed environment I do. The study used a mix of non-nicotine containing and nicotine containing.

I agree that it would be potentially unhealthy to be in a closed environment with many people vaping.

I also agree that outdoor, non-concentrated use, ie one person on a balcony, is not harmful. Several posters here though seem to think it is.

I'm bothered by cig smoke on my balcony, but I've been around people using e-cigs (one guy pulled out his device right in an exam room to demonstrate!) and the smoke to me is odorless and non-irritating.

So I would not be bothered if my next door balcony mate was using his e-cig. I probably wouldn't be bothered even in a closed room since the health effects seem so small to me, but I could see why other people would be concerned. (Although why so many of these same people make unhealthy choices themselves remains a mystery, and probably always will.)

Still don't understand the problem people have with them, they are odorless 100% safe water vapor.

 

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As yet there is no reliable research which can say that ecigs are 100% safe.

Indeed, having watched a programme about them recently it would appear that there are numerous chemicals within them. which have not been tested long term. So whilst they may be safer than cigarettes they have not yet been shown to be completely safe.

Until there IS reliable evidence of their safety, I for one do not wish to inhale other people's vapour.

I realise that it is very hard to give up smoking, but e cigarettes should be treated with caution until there is evidence that they ARE 100% safe.

I agree that it would be potentially unhealthy to be in a closed environment with many people vaping.

 

I also agree that outdoor, non-concentrated use, ie one person on a balcony, is not harmful. Several posters here though seem to think it is.

 

I'm bothered by cig smoke on my balcony, but I've been around people using e-cigs (one guy pulled out his device right in an exam room to demonstrate!) and the smoke to me is odorless and non-irritating.

 

So I would not be bothered if my next door balcony mate was using his e-cig. I probably wouldn't be bothered even in a closed room since the health effects seem so small to me, but I could see why other people would be concerned. (Although why so many of these same people make unhealthy choices themselves remains a mystery, and probably always will.)

I am also not bothered by e-cigs or vaporizers for that matter. I have some friends who vaporize medicinal herb and there's only the faintest of aroma coming out of it.

Even though I can be what's considered a "militant non-smoker" I yearn for a day in which obesity is looked at in the same unhealthy light.

Last week on Radiance they had passengers that refused to stop smoking. Security was planted outside their door for a few hours and then the cabin was empty. Apparently when asked to cease smoking they said what are you going to do about it. They got their answer.

So you can try hiding behind the partition or whatever. Don't think RCI are going to think that is cute or funny.

Last week on Radiance they had passengers that refused to stop smoking. Security was planted outside their door for a few hours and then the cabin was empty. Apparently when asked to cease smoking they said what are you going to do about it. They got their answer.

 

So you can try hiding behind the partition or whatever. Don't think RCI are going to think that is cute or funny.

They planted security outside their doors and then what. Did they handcuff them to the radiator and then throw them over board? :rolleyes:

As yet there is no reliable research which can say that ecigs are 100% safe.

 

Indeed, having watched a programme about them recently it would appear that there are numerous chemicals within them. which have not been tested long term. So whilst they may be safer than cigarettes they have not yet been shown to be completely safe.

 

Until there IS reliable evidence of their safety, I for one do not wish to inhale other people's vapour.

 

I realise that it is very hard to give up smoking, but e cigarettes should be treated with caution until there is evidence that they ARE 100% safe.

Actually there is now some research that indicates that they negatively impact air quality in ways that are known to negatively impact health. I posted an abstract on a study on the impact on air quality in a fully ventilated room using 9 e-cig users for two hours a few pages back. The biggest impact was in PM2.5 which is known to have substantial health impacts, especially on elderly. During the study PM2.5 was elevated well into unhealthy levels. There were also negative impacts in other areas. It was certainly not just water vapor.

Using an e-cig outside in probably not much of an issue, using it inside I would be concerned about.

Until there IS reliable evidence of their safety, I for one do not wish to inhale other people's vapour.

 

I realise that it is very hard to give up smoking, but e cigarettes should be treated with caution until there is evidence that they ARE 100% safe.

I hear what you're saying but proving 100% safety is a tough standard that is usually not applied.

For example, many smart people think cell phones can cause brain tumors. This has NOT been 100% disproven. Also, many many scientists think CO2 emissions are harmful, yet how much does the ship spew out?

Proving that something is 100% safe is a very high standard to live up to, and if the policy is to ban things until they are proven safe a lot of things will be banned. (Although researchers will certainly have a field day!)

I'd guess eating at the buffet is not 100% safe either. The big goal is to figure out if it harms anyone else.

I'm not a smoker and don't know much about how it works, but my guess is smoking an e-cig on a balcony would not pose significant harm to anyone adjacent. I think encouraging smokers (throughout society) to adopt this technology is a really good thing.

I think if you see a person smoking an e-cig you will know it's not a cigarette (traditional) because you won't see smoke and it won't smell bad (well as bad anyway).

Still seems like a reasonable compromise. I know it's not allowed, but I hope RCI will reconsider that policy. Maybe more people will extend their e-cig smoking to the casino and outside smoker areas and then even the non-smokers win.

Tom

I hear what you're saying but proving 100% safety is a tough standard that is usually not applied.

 

For example, many smart people think cell phones can cause brain tumors. This has NOT been 100% disproven. Also, many many scientists think CO2 emissions are harmful, yet how much does the ship spew out?

 

Proving that something is 100% safe is a very high standard to live up to, and if the policy is to ban things until they are proven safe a lot of things will be banned. (Although researchers will certainly have a field day!)

Pretty much agreed. Given the recent Noro outbreak I'd say there's a lot more serious things to be concerned about than second hand e-cig vapor.

gee.. wonder if just being in a non-smoking area and breathing in the air that others in the room have exhaled is 100% safe?

should they require a TB test for everyone getting on the ship. wonder how often the ships employees are tested for TB, hepatitis, std's?

Why don't they make smoking balcony's on the highest deck and a separate section say the back corner of the ship?

This won't happen because the back (aft) corners are some of the prime real estate on a ship.

This won't happen because the back (aft) corners are some of the prime real estate on a ship.

But surely non-smokers are more concerned about their health than their cabin position? Those downwind cabins are more likely to be in the path of fuel particulates. If a cigarette in the open air affects them, I presume they avoid anywhere downwind of the diesel exhaust fumes, so are unlikely to book the aft corners anyway?

But surely non-smokers are more concerned about their health than their cabin position? Those downwind cabins are more likely to be in the path of fuel particulates. If a cigarette in the open air affects them, I presume they avoid anywhere downwind of the diesel exhaust fumes, so are unlikely to book the aft corners anyway?

gosh, this is funny :D

But surely non-smokers are more concerned about their health than their cabin position? Those downwind cabins are more likely to be in the path of fuel particulates. If a cigarette in the open air affects them, I presume they avoid anywhere downwind of the diesel exhaust fumes, so are unlikely to book the aft corners anyway?

Yes but there is proof that diesel exhaust and fuel particulates are not as harmful as cigarette smoke or water vapor.

Plus a smoke stack does not look anything like a cigarette and there fore is not subject to the same scrutiny.

*LOL* Hey what the hell, no crazier than some of the other theories on this thread. :)

Yes but there is proof that diesel exhaust and fuel particulates are not as harmful as cigarette smoke or water vapor.

 

 

Plus a smoke stack does not look anything like a cigarette and there fore is not subject to the same scrutiny.

 

 

 

*LOL* Hey what the hell, no crazier than some of the other theories on this thread. :)

Actually the particulate pollution involved with diesel engines is PM10, while there are health effects associated with PM10, they are not as severe as PM2.5.

PM2.5 are smaller particles and penetrate deeper into the lung. A major problem with e-cigs (which I assume you were referring to with the comment about water vapor) is PM2.5. EPA levels for PM2.5 is 15ug/m3. In a recent study in a fully ventilated room and 9 users of e-cigs the PM2.5 level reached 197ug/m3 (13 times the EPA level)

As far as the health impact of PM2.5 this comes out of a recent study

Of the dozens of epidemiological studies on PM2.5 published since EPA’s NAAQS rulemaking in

1997, one of the most important is a recent article extending the analysis of the American Cancer Society

cohort of approximately 1.2 million adults with an additional eight years of follow-up.48 The article concludes

that long-term exposure to combustion-related PM2.5 air pollution is an important environmental risk factor

for cardiopulmonary mortality and lung cancer. Using statistical techniques that seek to adjust for age,

gender, race, smoking, education, martial status, body weight, alcohol consumption, occupational dust

exposure and diet, the study concludes that a 10 µg/m3 increase in long-term average ambient PM2.5

concentrations results in a 9% increase in the cardiopulmonary mortality rate and a 14% increase in the lung

cancer mortality rate.

I hear what you're saying but proving 100% safety is a tough standard that is usually not applied.

 

For example, many smart people think cell phones can cause brain tumors. This has NOT been 100% disproven. Also, many many scientists think CO2 emissions are harmful, yet how much does the ship spew out?

 

Proving that something is 100% safe is a very high standard to live up to, and if the policy is to ban things until they are proven safe a lot of things will be banned. (Although researchers will certainly have a field day!)

Yep it is tremendously difficult to prove a negative. I can think of very few things that are proven 100% safe (actually nothing). If proven safe means absolutely no chance of harm, then just about everything including distilled water fails that measure. After all if one drinks too much pure water it can be fatal by altering electrolite balances.

Thank-you for that Todd.

I still think your description of your grandmother's (or was it mom's) homemade apple juice was the post of the day. I laughed out loud and then read it to my wife who joined me in laughter.

I am a non-smoker who is allergic to cigarette smoke. When exposed to smoke I start coughing and find it difficult to breath IMMEDIATELY! When I am outside and walk past smokers I take a deep breath when I am far enough away and then hold it until I pass by them. So yes I appreciate the non-smoking on balconies. If I know where the designated smoking areas are then I avoid them which makes my experience much better. Now if they could just stop people from wearing too much cologne or perfume!!!

Yep it is tremendously difficult to prove a negative. I can think of very few things that are proven 100% safe (actually nothing). If proven safe means absolutely no chance of harm, then just about everything including distilled water fails that measure. After all if one drinks too much pure water it can be fatal by altering electrolite balances.

Absolutely!

One of the modern mysteries! Why does bottled water have an expiration date? (Believe it or not, it REALLY does!) :)

RCCI has caused themselves (and their passengers) a problem by the timing of their new smoking policy. Let's say there's a cruise departing in April. There are smokers out there who deliberately booked a balcony last summer, or earlier, on the basis that smoking was allowed, but who now find it has changed. There are non-smokers who made a booking in November (for our April cruise), and deliberately picked a balcony, on the basis that smoking is not allowed.

While it seems that Americans are allowed alter bookings/get deposits refunded, this is not the case for everyone, so the smoker who booked early is now stuck with a more expensive cabin that they only picked because they could smoke there.

I still maintain it would have been more reasonable to pick a switchover date to coincide with cruises that had not yet been put on sale. That way, everyone booking that holiday would have known before purchase exactly what the rules were.

Yep it is tremendously difficult to prove a negative. I can think of very few things that are proven 100% safe (actually nothing). If proven safe means absolutely no chance of harm, then just about everything including distilled water fails that measure. After all if one drinks too much pure water it can be fatal by altering electrolite balances.

Good point. I just had a guy in house for 37 days due to hyponatremia (water intoxication.)

He's still not quite right mentally but should be ok.