No smoking on balconys?

[Zigggypup]

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This worked out great.

 

Guess those types of ashtrays will soon be on the list of prohibited items........LOL.

Adam

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[poncho1973]

the reality of smoking on your balcony is you can unless someone complains. I only smoke cigars and pipes but no one has ever complained.

 

That is not the reality, at all.

 

How many cruises have you taken since the new rules went into effect?

 

If people were complaining prior to Jan 1, they had very little (except for the kindness of your heart) to stand on. Now it is 100% prohibited.

[RDC1]

For those that feel that e-cigs only release water vapor (from the National Institute of Health, Grateful Med database.

 

Research is starting to build data.

 

Int J Hyg Environ Health. 2013 Dec 6. pii: S1438-4639(13)00153-3. doi: 10.1016/j.ijheh.2013.11.003. [Epub ahead of print]

Use of electronic cigarettes (e-cigarettes) impairs indoor air quality and increases FeNO levels of e-cigarette consumers.

Schober W1, Szendrei K2, Matzen W2, Osiander-Fuchs H3, Heitmann D4, Schettgen T5, Jörres RA6, Fromme H2.

Author information

Abstract

Despite the recent popularity of e-cigarettes, to date only limited data is available on their safety for both users and secondhand smokers. The present study reports a comprehensive inner and outer exposure assessment of e-cigarette emissions in terms of particulate matter (PM), particle number concentrations (PNC), volatile organic compounds (VOC), polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), carbonyls, and metals. In six vaping sessions nine volunteers consumed e-cigarettes with and without nicotine in a thoroughly ventilated room for two hours. We analyzed the levels of e-cigarette pollutants in indoor air and monitored effects on FeNO release and urinary metabolite profile of the subjects. For comparison, the components of the e-cigarette solutions (liquids) were additionally analyzed. During the vaping sessions substantial amounts of 1,2-propanediol, glycerine and nicotine were found in the gas-phase, as well as high concentrations of PM2.5 (mean 197μg/m3). The concentration of putative carcinogenic PAH in indoor air increased by 20% to 147ng/m3, and aluminum showed a 2.4-fold increase. PNC ranged from 48,620 to 88,386 particles/cm3 (median), with peaks at diameters 24-36nm. FeNO increased in 7 of 9 individuals. The nicotine content of the liquids varied and was 1.2-fold higher than claimed by the manufacturer. Our data confirm that e-cigarettes are not emission-free and their pollutants could be of health concern for users and secondhand smokers. In particular, ultrafine particles formed from supersaturated 1,2-propanediol vapor can be deposited in the lung, and aerosolized nicotine seems capable of increasing the release of the inflammatory signaling molecule NO upon inhalation. In view of consumer safety, e-cigarettes and nicotine liquids should be officially regulated and labeled with appropriate warnings of potential health effects, particularly of toxicity risk in children.

 

 

 

 

Basically smoking outside is probably not much of an issue for health for anyone except the person using the device. Inside is somewhat of a different story. Small particulates have well defined negative impacts on health, as does NO.

Edited January 27, 2014 by RDC1

[Sherlock43031]

That is not the reality, at all.

 

How many cruises have you taken since the new rules went into effect?

 

If people were complaining prior to Jan 1, they had very little (except for the kindness of your heart) to stand on. Now it is 100% prohibited.

 

 

reading comprehension really is a problem.. one more time, you can smoke on your balcony until someone complains. RCI isn't going to have smoking police repelling down the sides of the ship 24 hours a day.

[primo1]

Anyone off the Oasis or Allure recently? Do they still have Cigars under the stars on deck 17 bar?

[A&L_Ont]

Anyone off the Oasis or Allure recently? Do they still have Cigars under the stars on deck 17 bar?

 

They did on Oasis in November. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

[oneputt18]

They did on Oasis in November. Perhaps someone else will chime in.

 

Also in December.

 

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[yogimax]

reading comprehension really is a problem.. one more time, you can smoke on your balcony until someone complains. RCI isn't going to have smoking police repelling down the sides of the ship 24 hours a day.

 

Ugh!

 

Yes, and you can rob banks until you are caught.

 

I really can't believe someone actually posted this drivel!

[springfire]

Ugh!

 

Yes, and you can rob banks until you are caught.

 

I really can't believe someone actually posted this drivel!

 

I really can't believe someone is actually comparing robbing a bank to smoking on the balcony.

[poncho1973]

I really can't believe someone is actually comparing robbing a bank to smoking on the balcony.

 

They obviously aren't the same, but the concept is the same.

 

Sherlock is saying it isn't wrong until you're caught.

 

 

Be it cheating at Old Maid (only the slightest bit bad), copying the test off the kid next to you (could be pretty bad), or robbing a bank (really really bad)... the point IS NOT that it's cool until you get caught, it's that it is wrong in the first place.

 

How bad it is would certainly be the relative point... but that, in my opinion, is one of the fundamental flaws in some aspects of society today is that people feel something isn't actually wrong unless they get caught. That is highly incorrect. It's wrong either way. Getting caught just makes some people feel bad or feel a sting of punishment.

Edited January 28, 2014 by poncho1973

[leisuretraveler223]

Just off Liberty this morning. People still smoke on balconies. Several times, I could smell it. On Saturday, while docked in Cozumel, I could see numerous people smoking on their balconies on Brilliance.

 

I'm sure if I called and complained that someone was smoking on a particular balcony, they would have looked into it. But it wasn't ever bothersome. If I fount that my neighbors chain-smoked out there the entire cruise, and conditions were right that it really hindered my enjoyment of my balcony, I would have raised an issue.

 

But the reality is, most of the people who complained about it weren't actually bothered by the smoke, they were just bothered by the fact that people were smoking.

 

It was like the idiot that kept walking through the casino waving his hand in front of his face the whole way through going "oh this smoke is awful!". Hey genius! There's like a dozen other decks that traverse the ship. Find another route!

[springfire]

They obviously aren't the same, but the concept is the same.

 

Sherlock is saying it isn't wrong until you're caught.

 

 

Be it cheating at Old Maid (only the slightest bit bad), copying the test off the kid next to you (could be pretty bad), or robbing a bank (really really bad)... the point IS NOT that it's cool until you get caught, it's that it is wrong in the first place.

 

How bad it is would certainly be the relative point... but that, in my opinion, is one of the fundamental flaws in some aspects of society today is that people feel something isn't actually wrong unless they get caught. That is highly incorrect. It's wrong either way. Getting caught just makes some people feel bad or feel a sting of punishment.

 

The rules here are restrictions set by RCCL whereas laws are restrictions set by the government. Since rules are set individually, they can be made flexible hence have lighter consequences when broken contrary to laws which are inflexible hence carry stiff penalties.

 

I would never compare smoking on a balcony with robbing a bank.

[yogimax]

I would never compare smoking on a balcony with robbing a bank.

 

1. What if that smoke were causing extreme discomfort to persons on nearby balconies who might not be able to identify the exact source of the annoyance?

 

2. What if that smoke were causing the occupants of the nearby balconies to remain indoors after they paid for a smoke free environment?

 

3. What if that cigarette caused a fire?

 

The point was not to equate bank robbery with violating the rules and regulations of RCCL, but pointing out that BOTH were clear violations of rules, regulations and laws extablished by society or the cruise line.

[springfire]

1. What if that smoke were causing extreme discomfort to persons on nearby balconies who might not be able to identify the exact source of the annoyance?

 

2. What if that smoke were causing the occupants of the nearby balconies to remain indoors after they paid for a smoke free environment?

 

3. What if that cigarette caused a fire?

 

The point was not to equate bank robbery with violating the rules and regulations of RCCL, but pointing out that BOTH were clear violations of rules, regulations and laws extablished by society or the cruise line.

 

Once again, just to be clear, robbing a bank is against the law. Smoking on your balcony is not against the law. Smoking is against the rules that RCCL has established but not against the law. That is a big difference.

 

To answer your other questions:

1) You could bring it to the attention of the authorities but not a lot you can do if you don't know who the at fault party is..

2) If I paid for a balcony and I couldn't use my balcony because of smoke I would try to get the problem resolved. Speak to the other party who is smoking or get others involved. Likely would be easy to handle with a friendly conversation.

3) If a cigarette caused a fire and was proven to cause a fire, that would be a crime and that smoker would be in some deep trouble.

 

I wish they would allow smokers the back of one side of the ship to smoke on their balcony. Instead many go to the casino just to smoke and I really dislike that. I don't smoke cigarettes but I have seem many smokers on balcony's and they have always been considerate when we use our balcony.

[Zou Bisou Bisou]

NCL allows smoking on balconies and last week they announced that they have no intention at this time of changing their policy.

 

"at this time" But next week, next month or next year is a completely different time. It is only a matter of time until they ban smoking on cabin balconies on NCL.

 

And E-cigs? The science is still out on how harmful these devices delivering nicotine might be to the user or bystander. Why would they take a chance on allowing something they know so little about? If it turns out people exposed to this stuff get sick, they could get sued. Smoke free Hotels, planes, etc, are not allowing the use of E-cigs.

[bugtyler]

Anyone visit the secret public balconies on decks 11,12 or 14 in the afts of the ship the ones that face aqua theater......wondering if they still have ashtrays and allow smoking there.....

[xpcdoojk]

Really? Because almost every show and theme park attraction that uses it has a warning that theatrical fog will be used and that those sensitive to it should take precautions. Several studies (including one by OSHA) have shown that theatrical fog can irritate the eyes and respiratory tract. The ESTA and ANSI standard for the use of theatrical fog (ANSI E1-5_2009) places strict limits on the composition of the fluid and amounts of contaminants (which aren't regulated for e-cigs) and for the amount of exposure, and it doesn't recommend exposure for those under 18 or over 65. Extended exposure to theatrical fog has been associated with long-term respiratory health problems and voice symptoms, and many films have stopped using it now that fog can be digitally added in post production.

 

Don't you think the reason for the announcement about stage fog is to keep people from going into panic thinking there is a fire int he theatre?

 

I don't smoke, I don't use ecigs, but I do smell the exhaust of cars and buses on the roads. I am fairly certain that the air I smell in public is not perfectly safe. I think trying to maintain air quality at the pristine point that people think they are due is unrealistic. Heck, I usually get sick from allergies from things like ragweed in the fall. I think I need to sue the creator.... :p

 

It is amazing to me how people obsess over this topic above all others.

 

jc

[Jmillsarch]

On Allure right now pulling into Labadee. People are still smoking on the balconies.

[poncho1973]

The rules here are restrictions set by RCCL whereas laws are restrictions set by the government. Since rules are set individually, they can be made flexible hence have lighter consequences when broken contrary to laws which are inflexible hence carry stiff penalties.

 

I would never compare smoking on a balcony with robbing a bank.

 

I completely agree. The basic concept remains the same, though. Suggestions/good ideas, rules, laws are steps like I mentioned before. They have increasing levels of seriousness, but if a person feels that whatever they do is ok until they get caught... the basic concept of being a jerk remains.

 

There is definitely a huge difference between rules and laws.

[Zigggypup]

I don't think that Royal Caribbean really ever had any real intention of enforcing this policy. Thier intention was just to drum up a little more business. Granted, if someone is complaining about someone smoking on a balcony, they will go through the motions to investigate. But other than that, I feel that they are just going to turn a blind eye to it.

[Sherlock43031]

They obviously aren't the same, but the concept is the same.

 

Sherlock is saying it isn't wrong until you're caught.

 

 

Be it cheating at Old Maid (only the slightest bit bad), copying the test off the kid next to you (could be pretty bad), or robbing a bank (really really bad)... the point IS NOT that it's cool until you get caught, it's that it is wrong in the first place.

 

How bad it is would certainly be the relative point... but that, in my opinion, is one of the fundamental flaws in some aspects of society today is that people feel something isn't actually wrong unless they get caught. That is highly incorrect. It's wrong either way. Getting caught just makes some people feel bad or feel a sting of punishment.

 

again a reading comprehension problem..

I said you could smoke on your balcony unless someone complained I never offerred an opinion as to right or wrong.

[Surfguyxxx]

They were smoking on both sides of me on the Enchantment and it was quite annoying. Nothing was done that I could see as it went on throughout the cruise (only 3 days but still.....)

[sunsetbeachgal]

They were smoking on both sides of me on the Enchantment and it was quite annoying. Nothing was done that I could see as it went on throughout the cruise (only 3 days but still.....)

 

Did you call someone to complain? If you found it annoying, I hope you called.

 

On my upcoming cruise on the Freedom, if people on either side of me are smoking, I intend to call...we quit booking balconies because of smoke curling around onto ours, and now that most of the major cruise lines have banned it we are back to balconies, and loving it!

Edited January 28, 2014 by sunsetbeachgal

[niksmom630]

Anyone visit the secret public balconies on decks 11,12 or 14 in the afts of the ship the ones that face aqua theater......wondering if they still have ashtrays and allow smoking there.....

 

Was on Allure in November. No smoking on those public balconies was allowed. Only designated areas on Decks 15 and 16.

[yogimax]

again a reading comprehension problem..

I said you could smoke on your balcony unless someone complained I never offerred an opinion as to right or wrong.

 

Factually Incorrect!

 

RCCL's policy does NOT state that you can smoke on your balcony until someone complains.

 

The policy is clear so I am at a loss to understand your comprehension problem. It states in plain language that smoking is not allowed on balconies. Period... End of story!