No smoking on balconys?

[LMaxwell]

And what about the funnels on the ship? They are so dangerous that it makes a smoker on a balcony and any whiffs coming from it laughable.

 

 

Well the exhausts are designed so as to carry exhaust and emissions up and away. Prevailing conditions may change this, but generally speaking the exhaust is high up and aft. Just like smokers are being asked to go to designated areas that have less impact on everyone else. If the exhaust system were next to my cabin you better believe I'd have an issue with it.

[reedl]

Yes, this is what the cruiselines are telling you.

 

But as always. There are two sides to the story, so to only refer to one documentary is very one sided.

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/articles/cruise-pollution-1/

 

I personally am not paranoid about anything as I let people live their lives.

 

I am off out now as I don't have the time to post on cruisecritic 24/7. :D

 

Have a good day. :)

CruiseLawNews is a lawyer who is always attacking the cruise lines for various reasons. In fact if you were to read and believe his website, you would never cruise again for a myriad of reasons.

 

I was referring to that documentary because it was recently viewed by me, but have seen other data related to the positioning of the stacks. It is much more scientific than you could imagine.

 

Furthermore, reading the link you posted about Hong Kong, it says this:

At a cruise forum last week, Pier Luigi Foschi, the chief executive of Carnival Asia, objected to the requirement for cruise ships to use shore-side power. He said it is unrealistic to require ships to use on-shore power because many cruise ships are not equipped to be plugged in. That begs the question why at this late date all cruise ships don't have a big cable that can be hooked up to the clean electrical power at the ports around the world.

"Clean" electrical power? From this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/02/us-hongkong-pollution-idUSBRE8710IA20120802

The pollution comes largely from coal-fired power stations and traffic, though a significant contribution wafts down from the tens of thousands of factories in China's neighboring manufacturing heartland of the Pearl River Delta.

So they would ask the the ships not burn diesel, but instead get power from plants burning coal??? That is just as bad!

 

But again, what does this have to do with smoking on my balcony?

[berwyn]

The funnels on the ship are designed to exhaust the smoke from the engines at a point where if the ship is travelling it will not make its way onto any area of the ship. In fact I watched a great show where they were designing the Oasis class, and they spent a long time in wind tunnels with models of the ship to determine the appropriate height and position of the funnels of that ship so that no smoke from the funnels would make its way back to the ship in any wind conditions. They were worried about the smoke from the funnels making its way to the Aquatheater. In fact the funnels on those ships are so tall that when they left the initial shipyard, they are designed to retract down so it can make it under the bridge, and then they are raised again.

 

It is both a minimization of risk, and more the fact that I simply cannot stand the stench of smoking. I am not exposed to smoking in my normal life and virtually everywhere I travel, why should I have to endure the stench while I am on a cruise on my private balcony? Look, I am the first to admit, I do not eat as healthily as I should. But again my eating habits do not affect you one iota. I do not smell, I use deodorant, and I am always clean. Can a smoker say that same thing?

 

A lot of people on these boards have complained about soot on their aft balcony tables and chairs.

[Toddcan]

Yes, this is what the cruiselines are telling you.

 

But as always. There are two sides to the story, so to only refer to one documentary is very one sided.

 

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/articles/cruise-pollution-1/

 

 

If this is your research, then you might want to dig a little deeper :D

 

That website is well known for the extremist views. They make a living hyping up all the horrible things cruise lines do.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Toddcan

[bouhunter]

I can find one value to this thread: the entertainment of watching the same people engaging in the same back and forth over and and over and over..........it really is too funny. What the heck, I'll chime in and keep it at the top:D

Edited January 21, 2014 by bouhunter

[DrD]

If I eat three entrees in the MDR, and perhaps am extremely overweight and sitting on my balcony, there is no way that you on your balcony are going to be affected by it. OTOH if you smoke on your balcony, I will most likely be affected by it.

 

What I do to myself is my business.

 

Wow, the things smokers say to justify their obnoxious behavior.

 

please re-read my posts.

 

I'm not saying there's an equivalence. I am only adressing the attitiude of some when they act like smokers are a breed apart. This is NOT the same as saying it's ok for said smokers to inflict their smoke on others.

 

And I'm not a smoker so I'm not trying to justify any behavior.

[Roce48]

I thought that was something that was allowed on most cruise lines (all of mine) if this is the case whats a smoker supposed to do?

 

also, wut about that electric cigs?

 

As an usher at a large outdoor concert venue we are not allowed to let people smoke cigarettes in the seated areas. From a distance the e-cigs vapor look like regular smoke, meaning we have to leave our position, and go to that spot to ask them not to smoke. If someone in another section sees what they think is smoke from a cigarette, they think it ok to smoke, and then light up a regular cigarette. I spend a lot of time having to leave my post to crawl pass concert goers at their seats to ask someone to put out a cigarette. Maybe they should make a vaporless e-cigarette. We have a lot of people who do not smoke, and become very irritated when someone next to them is smoking a cigarette (or joint lol). This sometime leads to a fight between concert goers, and endangers those in the area.

[lawrencedavis007]

Norwegian star allowed smoking on balconies. Does any one know about celebrity we are book for Nov 2014

 

 

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[LMaxwell]

Norwegian star allowed smoking on balconies. Does any one know about celebrity we are book for Nov 2014

 

 

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No balcony smoking on Celebrity. No Casino smoking on celebrity. Very restrictive policies and reportedly they are diligent about maintaining them.

[poncho1973]

I agree, the Ecigs are odorless

 

I only know one person (at least that I see regularly) that uses them and it's definitely not odorless. It smells like he's farting candy canes.

 

A serious improvement over the cigs... but not odorless in the slightest.

 

 

 

I don't really care what the cruise lines decide as a policy on e-cigs, but people should follow the rules and speak with their wallets.

 

The weird thing with e-cigs in public, just from casual observation, is that people take hits off them constantly. I was standing outside the movie theater a few weeks ago and there were a dozen or so vap-ers (?? is that a word???) and they appeared to be taking hits about every 10 seconds. It was amusing. I couldn't hear their conversation, but it looked like it went like this:

 

"Wow, Becky that *HIT* was a really great movie. I can't believe *HIT* that it ended like that. I was *HIT* totally blown away."

 

"Yeah, Jim *HIT* I thought for sure that the butler did it and not *HIT* the yard boy. He *HIT* really scared me."

 

 

You could tell they were actually stopping mid-sentence to puff. Quite funny to watch.

 

If they determine that e-cigs are truly 100% fine for secondhand smoke, then I'm 100% for smokers using them! Maybe they will tone down the sicky-sweet candy smells a little over time?

Edited January 21, 2014 by poncho1973

[Ghengis Klown]

It smells like he's farting candy canes.

 

LMFAO genius

 

and I totally know what you are talking about with the very odd flavors. I've stuck with lemon and peach and no one has complained to me. (at least in person)

Edited January 21, 2014 by Ghengis Klown

[jstraw20]

If e-cigs are primarily used for smoking cessation, than it makes sense that someone with one, should only use them where smoking is allowed. This than has the effect of thinking about smoking and slowing getting weened off of all smoking or fake smoking products altogether.

 

Those who have completely transitioned to e-cigs have already stopped smoking. They are ex smokers and should no more be forced into a smoking area than any other non smoker. Nicotine cessation is a separate issue. Should people on the patch be forced to stand in the smoking areas too?

[Reader0108598]

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[Ghengis Klown]

Those who have completely transitioned to e-cigs have already stopped smoking. They are ex smokers and should no more be forced into a smoking area than any other non smoker. Nicotine cessation is a separate issue. Should people on the patch be forced to stand in the smoking areas too?

 

this is a very valid point

[lady_cruiser]

I guess if people see you smoking your ecig, that's what the issue is. Take 1 step away from the rail on your balcony and problem solved. We smoked ours in our cabin, left it in there a couple times and had zero problems from the room steward. Still don't understand the problem people have with them, they are odorless 100% safe water vapor. To each their own I guess.

 

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Just curious, since as a non-smoker I try to stay out of the smoking/non-smoking controversy here Did you use your E-Cigarette before or after January 1st?

[tiessa]

Go into your User Control Panel. Click the "Edit Options" item on the left side.

 

 

 

Around the middle of the page is a checkbox labelled "Show Signatures" Turn that off.

 

 

 

It makes browsing Cruise Critic much more enjoyable since you do not waste half the screen with everybody's cruise history or upcoming cruises.

 

 

 

 

Thank you so much!

[Langley Cruisers]

Around the middle of the page is a checkbox labelled "Show Signatures" Turn that off.... It makes browsing Cruise Critic much more enjoyable since you do not waste half the screen with everybody's cruise history or upcoming cruises.

 

I tried that but the only thing is, you can miss upcoming cruises when people are asking a specific question. I'd say, "Well, when are you cruising? What ship?" and of course, with the sigs turned off you can't see all that.

 

Now, I just leave the sigs "on" and put individual members on my Ignore List. That works better for me. :) If, for some reason, you want to see an "Ignored" member's post, the option is in the top right hand corner of each post.

[itzmered]

Just curious, since as a non-smoker I try to stay out of the smoking/non-smoking controversy here Did you use your E-Cigarette before or after January 1st?

 

e sailed after Jan 1st and I used my E cig in the room and on my balcony. Also left it sitting on the night stand or dressing table while plugged in. Room steward never said a thing. There was a guy two balconies over that smoked real cigarettes every evening on his balcony also. He did it all week so can assume no one complained.

[WillWorkForCruise121]

Those who have completely transitioned to e-cigs have already stopped smoking. They are ex smokers and should no more be forced into a smoking area than any other non smoker. Nicotine cessation is a separate issue. Should people on the patch be forced to stand in the smoking areas too?

 

I see your point but second hand vapor is an issue that is coming out more and more... it is not proven 100% harmless. The company I work for recently started distribution of these and we received a lot of information on the safety of their use and basically there have not been sufficient studies and the only studies that conclude they are entirely safe are funded by the companies that make them.

 

There are preservatives used in them that have been accepted as safe for use in solid food products but we have no idea what the long term effects are from inhaling these chemicals into our lungs.

They may decide it's perfectly safe down the road (information I have read leads me to believe the opposite). I just don't like that people are being made to believe now that it's nothing but water vapor and is completely harmless.... That's simply a factual lie.

 

I think people take it over board at times thinking they don't want to breathe in second hand vapor but will have 2 heaping plates of bacon from the wind jammer each morning. But then again they choose the bacon and some people choose other unhealthy things. Most of us do something that isn't good for us, but I guess it feels different when it's something unhealthy that you didn't choose to partake and received no enjoyment from.

 

I have personally never been bombarded with ecig vapor I couldn't easily avoid. I hope others experience the same and don't let it ruin things like cruises for them

 

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[N747KT]

The two things your lungs were created to do, inhale , exhale AIR. Period . The end.

 

 

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Edited January 23, 2014 by N747KT

[DrD]

I see your point but second hand vapor is an issue that is coming out more and more... it is not proven 100% harmless. The company I work for recently started distribution of these and we received a lot of information on the safety of their use and basically there have not been sufficient studies and the only studies that conclude they are entirely safe are funded by the companies that make them.

 

There are preservatives used in them that have been accepted as safe for use in solid food products but we have no idea what the long term effects are from inhaling these chemicals into our lungs.

They may decide it's perfectly safe down the road (information I have read leads me to believe the opposite). I just don't like that people are being made to believe now that it's nothing but water vapor and is completely harmless.... That's simply a factual lie.

 

I think people take it over board at times thinking they don't want to breathe in second hand vapor but will have 2 heaping plates of bacon from the wind jammer each morning. But then again they choose the bacon and some people choose other unhealthy things. Most of us do something that isn't good for us, but I guess it feels different when it's something unhealthy that you didn't choose to partake and received no enjoyment from.

 

I have personally never been bombarded with ecig vapor I couldn't easily avoid. I hope others experience the same and don't let it ruin things like cruises for them

 

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This is all true, however, the major inactive ingredient in nicotine vapor is the same that is in stage smoke.

 

And technically, stage smoke has also never been tested for safety etc. Yet I've never seen anyone who's afraid to be exposed to it.

 

So while you're correct that it's not been proven to be safe, that's a very high standard by which to live.

 

Bottom line is that short of radiation and a few very deadly poisons and pathogens, a brief exposure to something is not harmful. Of course I'm talking in this case about second-hand vapor, not about people who actually use the e-cigs regularly.

[DrD]

The two things your lungs were created to do, inhale , exhale AIR. Period . The end.

 

 

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Well I can think of something else that was created for only 2 things, to make boys, and to make girls. Luckily some of us have adapted it for other uses. Go figure.

Edited January 23, 2014 by DrD

[ahecht]

And technically, stage smoke has also never been tested for safety etc. Yet I've never seen anyone who's afraid to be exposed to it.

Really? Because almost every show and theme park attraction that uses it has a warning that theatrical fog will be used and that those sensitive to it should take precautions. Several studies (including one by OSHA) have shown that theatrical fog can irritate the eyes and respiratory tract. The ESTA and ANSI standard for the use of theatrical fog (ANSI E1-5_2009) places strict limits on the composition of the fluid and amounts of contaminants (which aren't regulated for e-cigs) and for the amount of exposure, and it doesn't recommend exposure for those under 18 or over 65. Extended exposure to theatrical fog has been associated with long-term respiratory health problems and voice symptoms, and many films have stopped using it now that fog can be digitally added in post production.

[babyher]

Well I can think of something else that was created for only 2 things, to make boys, and to make girls. Luckily some of us have adapted it for other uses. Go figure.

 

 

 

*LOL*

 

And some of us enjoy a cigarette after we finish using it :)

[Big_G]

I can find one value to this thread: the entertainment of watching the same people engaging in the same back and forth over and and over and over..........it really is too funny. What the heck, I'll chime in and keep it at the top:D

 

You couldn't be more right. I swear some seem to be hiding in the reeds just waiting to pounce on a smoking thread. Otherwise we'd never hear from them. It is fun to watch.:D