#21
West Sussex, UK
781 Posts
Joined Jul 2010
Recently off from a B2B on Oasis, and we saw a young lady with a puppy Yorkie. I will not comment about its validity as a service dog...But I will comment on the fact that she clearly didn't respond to the poor things needs, because it was pulling on the lead and clearly wanted to 'go'. However, she ignored / failed to recognise the signs and I was just about to say something when it poo'ed on the floor!
This was in the photo section with many people / children about. My husband and I were disgusted. It shouldn't have happened - not the poor pups fault. She was not carrying any bags or way of clearing this up
The lady was lucky there was a poor cleaner very near and she asked him to get paper towels & it was then cleared up.

We thought we had seen it all - but this was a new one for us!

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#23
91 Posts
Joined May 2017
As someone who dedicates A LOT of time an energy raising Guide Dogs for the Blind on a volunteer basis, I absolutely hate when people carry tiny dogs around and claim them to be for "emotional support". Something needs to give with this ridiculous practice. There are people (PTSD for example) who really do suffer and thrive with the use of a TRAIND AND CERTIFIED animal. Unfortunately, we have not gotten to the point where we have created a standard for the real guid/service animals so people take advantage of it far too much.

"I get sad if my yorkie isn't always with me" is not a real reason. Not saying that is the case here however I expect it is. Service animals should not be carried around in purses.
#24
Sunderland England
8,457 Posts
Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by ResearchObsessed
As someone who dedicates A LOT of time an energy raising Guide Dogs for the Blind on a volunteer basis, I absolutely hate when people carry tiny dogs around and claim them to be for "emotional support". Something needs to give with this ridiculous practice. There are people (PTSD for example) who really do suffer and thrive with the use of a TRAIND AND CERTIFIED animal. Unfortunately, we have not gotten to the point where we have created a standard for the real guid/service animals so people take advantage of it far too much.

"I get sad if my yorkie isn't always with me" is not a real reason. Not saying that is the case here however I expect it is. Service animals should not be carried around in purses.
Proper service dogs are a lifesaver but these comfort dogs are a ruse to possibly save on kennel costs because on a ship the experience is a comfort itself.
#25
Texas
1,443 Posts
Joined Apr 2015
The fact that multiple people were carrying the dog is the clue here.

Its so frustrating that people have to ruin things for others by taking advantage like this.
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#27
SF Bay Area
318 Posts
Joined Jan 2010
Since they have themed cruises, how awesome would it be to have just one cruise a dog friendly cruise?


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#28
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by lbjen
The fact that multiple people were carrying the dog is the clue here.

Its so frustrating that people have to ruin things for others by taking advantage like this.
Lots of people have big dogs which they miss when they are on a cruise and it is unfair on them when people bring their small dogs on board.
#29
New York
217 Posts
Joined Jun 2013
And then there are those of us with dog allergies that can end in an Asthma attack, depending on the type of dog. Whose needs should get preference?
#30
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by scorpluvsdolphins
Just off the Enchantment, a "service" dog crapped on the carpet in the casino.
Gross!


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Unusual for a service dog and unfortunate for people in the casino and probably distressing for the owner.
#31
Irving Texas
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Joined Sep 2013
I just got off the Explorer with a couple who carried around a toy poodle dressed in a full outfit with shoes and a hat. They claimed he was an emotional support animal. That is crap, they just wanted the dog with them.

I think the cruise lines should be able to see proof that an animal is a service dog before allowing animals on the ship.


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#32
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by srdancer
And then there are those of us with dog allergies that can end in an Asthma attack, depending on the type of dog. Whose needs should get preference?
Good point.
#33
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by firegal2539
I just got off the Explorer with a couple who carried around a toy poodle dressed in a full outfit with shoes and a hat. They claimed he was an emotional support animal. That is crap, they just wanted the dog with them.

I think the cruise lines should be able to see proof that an animal is a service dog before allowing animals on the ship.


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I agree.
#35
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by grapau27
I agree.
After 45 cruises i have only seen 1 guide dog ( service dog) and no comfort dogs so maybe it is predominantly in the US that this occurs.
#36
Houston
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Joined Apr 2014
I have a buddy that has a fox as a pet. If a dog can pass as an 'emotional support' animal, why can't his fox? Or my other friend's bunny? Some folks actually have pigs. Should RCL prevent someone on ship with their pig?
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#37
Sunderland England
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Joined Dec 2016
Originally posted by Goodtime Cruizin
I have a buddy that has a fox as a pet. If a dog can pass as an 'emotional support' animal, why can't his fox? Or my other friend's bunny? Some folks actually have pigs. Should RCL prevent someone on ship with their pig?
We could open a can of worms with this lol.
#38
Palm Coast, Florida
382 Posts
Joined Jun 2005
From Royal Caribbean's website: http://www.royalcaribbean.com/conten...ervice_animals

To me, this reads as if all a person has to do is say the dog is a service animal. Not sure I think that is right.







SERVICE ANIMALS



Royal Caribbean International welcomes service dogs on all ships.* Please note we do not accept pets.

A service dog is defined as "any dog that is individually trained to do work or perform tasks for the benefit of a person with a disability." Service dogs are not considered pets.

Evidence that a dog is a service dog is helpful but not required (such as identification cards, other written documentation, presence of harnesses and/or tags or the credible verbal assurance of the person with a disability using the dog).

We provide 4 feet by 4 feet relief areas with cypress mulch to accommodate service dogs. Sod for sailings from the U.S. can be provided if ordered in advance and is available. Relief areas are provided on a shared basis with other service dogs onboard. Please note that Central Park on OasisSM class ships is not designated as a relief area.

Please notify our Access Department at time of booking but no later than 30 days prior to sailing if a service dog relief area is needed.

Service dogs are permitted to accompany the person with a disability in all public areas, including dining venues. While in public areas, service dogs must be on a leash, harness or other restraining device. Due to health regulations, service dogs are not permitted in pools, whirlpools or spas.

Care and supervision of the service dog is the sole responsibility of the owner. The ships are not required to provide food or care for the dog.

Guests may bring a reasonable quantity of food and bowls for the dog onboard the ship at no additional charge. If refrigerated space is needed, notify our Access Department at time of booking but no later than 30 days prior to sailing.

If the guest chooses to disembark the ship at a port at which the service dog must remain onboard, the guest must make arrangements to ensure that the dog is cared for. Note that the ship's staff is not required to care for the dog, nor can the dog be left in the stateroom unattended.

Guests are responsible for obtaining all required documents for the animal to depart the ship in ports of call and at final destination. For document requirements, visit: A copy of these permits must be carried on the ship, and a copy left with Guest Relations Desk upon boarding the ship.

Please not all documentation and immunization requirements are established by government authorities and not Royal Caribbean International. Please note requirements are subject to change without notice.



Guests are responsible for the behavior or damage caused by their service dog. A cleaning fee may be charged to the guest's shipboard account.

If the service dog's behavior creates a fundamental alteration or a direct threat to safety, the dog may be denied boarding or removed from the ship along with the owner at the guest's expense. Examples include: growling, barking excessively, initiating unsolicited contact, biting other guests and/or crewmembers, failure to use designated relief areas, sitting on furniture, eating from the table, etc.

If you have an animal that does not meet the definition of a service animal (i.e. a dog trained to perform a task) but must accompany you in order to assist you with your disability, please contact our Access Department at least 60 days prior to sailing.

Assistance Dogs to the United Kingdom (UK)

Assistance dogs entering the United Kingdom must meet the rules of the Pet Travel Scheme.


You are responsible for ensuring your assistance dog meets all these rules. Please make sure you have had the procedures carried out in the correct order and your dog's documentation is correctly completed.


We will do our best to assist you in ensuring your assistance dog is checked for compliance with the Pet Travel Scheme at boarding. Please note dogs that fail checks will not be allowed to sail.


If you experience a problem with your documentation upon entry into the United Kingdom, then any related costs for either the quarantine of or re-export of your pet will be entirely your responsiblity.


In general, you will need a pet passport (for guests from UK and EU) or official third country veterinary certificate (for guests from the U.S. and other countries outside the UK and EU) showing the dog has been micro-chipped, vaccinated against rabies, and treated against tapeworm not less than 24 hours, and not more than 120 hours before arrival in the UK (not required if travelling from Ireland, Finland, Malta or Norway).


Pet Passport and Third Country Certificates must be signed, dated and stamped by an Official Veterinarian; this may be different than your local veterinarian. This usually takes extra time.


Tapeworm treatment should be arranged at the next to last port of call prior to entry to the UK just in case for any reason the scheduled treatment cannot be done, there is another opportunity to arrange a treatment at the next port of call.


For more information:
  • Visit the DEFRA website at: www.gov.uk/defra
  • Contact the Pet Travel Scheme Helpline: Telephone: +44 (0) 370 241 1710 - Monday to Friday - 8 AM to 6 PM UK time (closed Bank Holidays)E-mail: [email protected] - please include your postal address and a day time telephone number
  • Consult your veterinarian
#39
Raleigh, NC
183 Posts
Joined Mar 2013
For some reason, American companies are absolutely terrified to challenge anyone who brings an animal with them anywhere. The ADA is broad, but it is not unlimited.
#40
United States
195 Posts
Joined Jun 2015
first thing first. there is a big difference between "service animal" and "support animal"
a service animal is a licensed and well trained animal while a "support animal" is a animal that is someone got a certificate saying they need it, most commonly emotional support animal which can be done over the internet for a few hundred dollars. support animals are hugely abused. while searching for a new apartment few years ago, the person working on behalf of the apartment company informed me that if i want a dog to get it certified and by law they cannot even attempt to do anything to stop it even if the property was no pets allowed because they are protected by law. also, the law prohibits anyone from charging more or denying them service because of both support and service animals. so if royal charged more or denied someone or their support dog they would have a lawsuit on their hands.
i know all this cause i got myself a little puggy and i had to travel with him on the plane on a move and refused to abuse the system (wierdly got treated as a second class citizen by some airline staff because he wasnt a support dog, which i paid a ton of money to have him go, paperwork filled with USDA and stayed in his carrier then entire time, didnt bark once, had the best nap of his life :P and trust me if i had a choice i wouldnt put any animal through that situation but it was that or give him up which is not happening!)
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