It's official! Formal nights gone, evening chic in! (3 Threads Merged)

[villauk]

Would you be happy if you went to the Last Night of the Proms and there were people around you in jeans?

Celebrity made a mistake. Even just one formal night would be nice!!

 

Would it make the music sound any different?

[anniegb]

Would you be happy if you went to the Last Night of the Proms and there were people around you in jeans?

Celebrity made a mistake. Even just one formal night would be nice!!

 

Jeans are worn by the Promenaders at the Last Night of the Proms - so what??

 

You can buy tickets to the Dress Circle in a theatre and you are not mandated to wear a DJ.

 

A cruise is a form of holiday no more, no less.

 

Annie

[LA_Design]

With regard to 'pontificating', don't say 'our laws' in relation to UK if you really mean England.

 

Scotland has it's own legal system, including in the area of consumer law (the new Consumer Rights Act reflects this).

 

 

 

Also, on other threads you've been dissing cle-guy, stop it now. Curt puts so much time into helping others out and you're being petty.

 

 

apologies . you are probably correct about the Scotland thing - I hadnt realised that Consumer protection in Scotland was now different to England.

 

Interested to see which country's laws applies when booked with Celebrity UK ?

Edited November 15, 2015 by LA_Design

[DYKWIA]

Would you be happy if you went to the Last Night of the Proms and there were people around you in jeans?

...

 

Or if people at Wimbledon wore a Tuxedo?

 

I can't see the relevance between last night of the Proms and Celebrity Cruises

[LA_Design]

With regard to 'pontificating', don't say 'our laws' in relation to UK if you really mean England.

 

Scotland has it's own legal system, including in the area of consumer law (the new Consumer Rights Act reflects this).

 

 

 

Also, on other threads you've been dissing cle-guy, stop it now. Curt puts so much time into helping others out and you're being petty.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, on other threads you've been dissing cle-guy, stop it now. Curt puts so much time into helping others out and you're being petty.

 

 

'dissing' ? Not a term I am familiar with - and I reside fairly close to Scotland.

 

If you are referring to the thread about Bar prices on Eclipse I didn't believe your friend was being helpful posting government guidelines and best practices and implying they were legislation. I am sure he meant well . Equally I was trying to ensure that the correct legal situation was posted.

 

If you read another post from DYWKIA ( i think thats his nom de plume apologies if not correct) you will see that him and I had a friendly disagreement about the finer points of law.

 

Your friend actually said.

"Eclipse sailings out of the UK, UK law REQUIRES them to add the gratuity into displayed pricing - its the law there"

 

I asked him to point out which laws he was referring to and then he quoted guidelines and best practice. You believe I am being petty in correcting your friend . That is an opinion you are entitled to.

 

On the other hand I believe I would be doing a disservice to the other posters if I did not point out the facts.

 

Whilst your friend is trying to he helpful I opine its best to ensure the help is factually correct before publishing or at least apologise when someone points out their error.

[4774Papa]

here we go again .

quoting US legislation on a multi-national forum is so banal.

 

In the UK i opine that people MAY have a case for breach of contract.

 

I would consider making arrangements for representing the people affected but doubt it would be worth the hassle and up front expense.

 

Please do not confuse / quote entitlements in the US A v UK. You stick to enjoying mcdonalds , kfc & guantanamo & we will enjoy lousy weather and rubbish football, cricket & rugby teams. We will however lead the world in fair legislation . [emoji33]

 

 

Guantanamo incites political issues that have no place here on cc.

 

As a retired attorney have a deep respect for English Common Law, which formed the basis of our legal system in the USA, but would wonder at why you think the UK leads the World in "fair legislation." Perhaps we should leave that politically tainted discussion as well.

[keithm]

This is not fiction but fact. There are still many of us cruisers who do not want to sit down for dinner with people in jeans and have only ever booked cruises where there are formal nights. I object to being duped into an expensive cruise which we definitely would not have booked. I suppose Cunard will be rubbing their hands with glee as they are now going to get a huge amount of past Celebrity customers. They will definitely keep up their standards.

If not for Cunard doing less Caribbean trips, we'd still be with them. We did 2 on the Eclipse & it was fairly close to Cunard. We're doing a B2B on the regal Princess. If it doesn't measure up, we'll find some way to go back to Cunard.

[jagoffee]

Firstly I highlighted MAY to indicate that it was not a clear case. My humble opinion is that the chances of winning would be about 50/50 hence why I didnt think it worth the hassle. On the one hand I could argue that the cruise wad booked with a Clear written undertaking that there would be x formal nights. We could use all the furore on here and social media to demonstrate that such a change has people cancelling cruises and vowing never to ho Celebrity again. On the other hand Celebrity would argue that the change was minor and only affects one room on the ship. The judgement would be whether the claimants expectations were reasonable and that the change would have meant them not booking the cruise if the new arrangements had been in place at the time of booking. Hard to predict an outcome.

 

We wouldnt initially need a Barrister to pursue a case and only if the case reached a certain level of court. We might possibly seek counsel's opinion but unlikely .

Again this shows why one should not post about other Country's legal system.

 

Apologies for the poor terminology 'fair legislation'. What I should have said was legislation that is fair to all in consumer protection issues.

 

50/50 change of being successful for a change on clothing attire requirements in one location for 1-3 times on a cruise? I would stay away from any Casino if I was you.⛴⛴

[Natalia&Nick]

Or if people at Wimbledon wore a Tuxedo?

 

 

 

I can't see the relevance between last night of the Proms and Celebrity Cruises

 

 

If you can't see the relevance, then I'm going to struggle to explain.

 

I just love formal evenings, that's all

[Natalia&Nick]

'dissing' ? Not a term I am familiar with - and I reside fairly close to Scotland.

 

If you are referring to the thread about Bar prices on Eclipse I didn't believe your friend was being helpful posting government guidelines and best practices and implying they were legislation. I am sure he meant well . Equally I was trying to ensure that the correct legal situation was posted.

 

If you read another post from DYWKIA ( i think thats his nom de plume apologies if not correct) you will see that him and I had a friendly disagreement about the finer points of law.

 

Your friend actually said.

"Eclipse sailings out of the UK, UK law REQUIRES them to add the gratuity into displayed pricing - its the law there"

 

I asked him to point out which laws he was referring to and then he quoted guidelines and best practice. You believe I am being petty in correcting your friend . That is an opinion you are entitled to.

 

On the other hand I believe I would be doing a disservice to the other posters if I did not point out the facts.

 

Whilst your friend is trying to he helpful I opine its best to ensure the help is factually correct before publishing or at least apologise when someone points out their error.

 

 

To diss is to disrespect.

 

You can't be that close to the uk, my friend, if you haven't heard that in daily speech in the last 10 years.

 

Btw, tuxedo is a USA term for dinner suit, I believe.

[LMaxwell]

If you can't see the relevance, then I'm going to struggle to explain.

 

I just love formal evenings, that's all

 

I think that's fine, and great, but what would you suggest Celebrity to do in order to entice people to participate or to separate the formal evenings from non-formal. Surely the farce that was just printing different words in the daily did not suffice. I can think of a few items to differentiate these nights from other nights, but I am curious about what would make it more special for you as everyone has different opinions.

[LA_Design]

Guantanamo incites political issues that have no place here on cc.

 

As a retired attorney have a deep respect for English Common Law, which formed the basis of our legal system in the USA, but would wonder at why you think the UK leads the World in "fair legislation." Perhaps we should leave that politically tainted discussion as well.

 

 

with respect I did apologise for the bad terminology in a subsequent post and clarified what I had intended to say. It was still opinionated but then at least clear [emoji41]

[LA_Design]

50/50 change of being successful for a change on clothing attire requirements in one location for 1-3 times on a cruise? I would stay away from any Casino if I was you.⛴⛴

 

 

 

With respect there is a world of difference between litigation and a Casino - I think ! [emoji33]

[Natalia&Nick]

I think that's fine, and great, but what would you suggest Celebrity to do in order to entice people to participate or to separate the formal evenings from non-formal. Surely the farce that was just printing different words in the daily did not suffice. I can think of a few items to differentiate these nights from other nights, but I am curious about what would make it more special for you as everyone has different opinions.

 

 

Hi. Id prefer two things.

One proper formal night. Maybe a captain's dinner towards the end of the cruise. Like Princess do.

And not inviting jeans for the special night. To be honest, I think we are evening chic by the definition most nights. But that's us and our holiday.

But you know. I have a plan. I've ordered some velvet bkszers. With a dickie bow will look fab. Jeans or otherwise. I just hope people don't turn up looking like bus drivers - I don't think they will.

We will cope!!

[villauk]

Hi. Id prefer two things.

One proper formal night. Maybe a captain's dinner towards the end of the cruise. Like Princess do.

And not inviting jeans for the special night. To be honest, I think we are evening chic by the definition most nights. But that's us and our holiday.

But you know. I have a plan. I've ordered some velvet bkszers. With a dickie bow will look fab. Jeans or otherwise. I just hope people don't turn up looking like bus drivers - I don't think they will.

We will cope!!

 

These are the same people cruising with you that have in the past; X are not suddenly disposing of all their regular clientele. Do you honestly think these type of people will be turning up for dinner dressed like they are cleaning out the drains? I won't use your example of bus drivers as they wear a uniform - similar to everyone wearing exactly the same suit (tux) on formal evening, albeit of a slightly different design and fabric ;). It's about being individual with your dress sense. Just because someone wears a longer length skirt, it doesn't make them a better person ;).

 

History reports itself again and again: I'm sure some were complaining about the rising hem lines during the late 1920s. It's a couple of hours out of many during your holiday, and no one is stopping you dressing as you wish. Where does it say in any of the flyers that you can't wear a tux, suit, tie, blazer, long length dress, floaty kaftan, sparkly skirt, designer silk kimono, kilt, chiffon blouse and Bay City Rollers trousers (oops, sorry, that one slipped out :D) - think you get the drift :).

 

I can't remember one single outfit that anyone wore on our last cruise - not one (sorry if you were on my cruise)! I do remember the warm and lovely people we met, and how they added to our wonderful vacation. Would I have thought any different if they had been wearing a long frock - I doubt it ;).

[violetta58]

You, and your love of dress codes (strictly enforced), along with others tired of the relentless dumbing down in the guise of 'improvements', will find a warm welcome on Cunard ;)

Once tried, there will be no going back to any perceived holiday camp at sea.

 

We were going to try Celebrity but with this change to no formal and the strangely sounding evening chic we will continue to sail with Cunard. Chic is a word that no one uses these days ( unless you are French) and can mean anything including modern fashion styles. This means it will range from jeans ( who will decide what is designer jeans? ) and people who think polo t shirts are suitable for evening wear. The whole point is that cruises are the one place you can dress up and I think Celebrity, who are no doubt appealing to the youth market will regret it.

[Tura Lura]

We were going to try Celebrity but with this change to no formal and the strangely sounding evening chic we will continue to sail with Cunard. Chic is a word that no one uses these days ( unless you are French) and can mean anything including modern fashion styles. This means it will range from jeans ( who will decide what is designer jeans? ) and people who think polo t shirts are suitable for evening wear. The whole point is that cruises are the one place you can dress up and I think Celebrity, who are no doubt appealing to the youth market will regret it.

 

I highly doubt they'll regret it. Evolve or die. Chic is used all the time, maybe not in your circles, and means fashionable, with a certain flair. What's wrong with that? Not stuffy "proper" formal, just fabulous. And yes it means less rigid rules and more personal expression. Wear what makes you feel chic and stylish.

[lakelady02]

I think that's fine, and great, but what would you suggest Celebrity to do in order to entice people to participate or to separate the formal evenings from non-formal. Surely the farce that was just printing different words in the daily did not suffice. I can think of a few items to differentiate these nights from other nights, but I am curious about what would make it more special for you as everyone has different opinions.

 

 

Celebrity could have "grown a spine", posted a large board referencing banned attire at the entrance to MDR and then proceeded to enforce it. I do agree that "farce" is the appropriate word to attach to Celebrity's approach.

 

 

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[Charles4515]

We were going to try Celebrity but with this change to no formal and the strangely sounding evening chic we will continue to sail with Cunard. Chic is a word that no one uses these days ( unless you are French) and can mean anything including modern fashion styles. This means it will range from jeans ( who will decide what is designer jeans? ) and people who think polo t shirts are suitable for evening wear. The whole point is that cruises are the one place you can dress up and I think Celebrity, who are no doubt appealing to the youth market will regret it.

 

If the whole point of cruises to you is that it is the one place to dress up then Cunard certainly is the line for you. For many of us cruises are a vacation. It was never the one place to dress up for me. I have had plenty of places other than cruises to dress up! I guess our lives are different. Celebrity is appealing to the right market with this change.

[Cruise Junky]

Celebrity could have "grown a spine", posted a large board referencing banned attire at the entrance to MDR and then proceeded to enforce it. I do agree that "farce" is the appropriate word to attach to Celebrity's approach.

 

 

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Why on earth would they do that when statistics show that 70% of cruisers prefer casual? (and I'm not referring to the poll here) why should they remain in the dark ages with their dress code to pander to the minority?

[Charles4515]

Celebrity could have "grown a spine", posted a large board referencing banned attire at the entrance to MDR and then proceeded to enforce it. I do agree that "farce" is the appropriate word to attach to Celebrity's approach.

 

 

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Posting a large board at the entrance of the MDR with banned attire would certainly be classy......NOT!

[DYKWIA]

Celebrity could have "grown a spine", posted a large board referencing banned attire at the entrance to MDR ....

 

The very definition of Modern Luxury, even McDonalds haven't thought of that. Maybe, instead of background music, someone could make regular announcements over the loudspeaker what the rules of the ship are and the punishments to be handed down to those who break the rules.

Edited November 15, 2015 by DYKWIA

[DebJ14]

Bingo.

 

I sailed on a Carnival ship this past May. The first one in about 3 years. The change was dramatic. It was the worst cruise I've ever been on. It was also the worst MDR experience I have ever had on any cruise line. Only Blu has been worse in terms of bad service. There was also ZERO attention paid to how people were dressed. Even when it was "against the rules" to wear shorts, people did anyway.

 

As I said previously, you give an inch, people will take a mile. This will be no different. And this deeply saddens me.

 

We just took one and it was awful. We had not been on Carnival in several years and the decline was obvious. It was the most slovenly dressed bunch of people who were also covered with piercings and tattoos. The elegant night was a joke with hardly anyone in even a sport coat and there were lots of people in shorts in the main dining room. Carnival actually calls the dress "requirements" rather than a suggestion, but they don't enforce it anymore than they enforced the no smoking or vaping in many areas including cabin balconies, chair hogging, or loud music and loud people up on the Serenity deck.

 

We got to know many of the crew members at the Diamond event and some of them also noted how raunchy the passengers were.

 

So looking forward to our cruise on Princess after that debacle on Carnival.

Edited November 15, 2015 by DebJ14

[NLH Arizona]

I highly doubt they'll regret it. Evolve or die. Chic is used all the time, maybe not in your circles, and means fashionable, with a certain flair. What's wrong with that? Not stuffy "proper" formal, just fabulous. And yes it means less rigid rules and more personal expression. Wear what makes you feel chic and stylish.

I don't think what people are realizing, when they think people are going to come to the evening chic dinner in pj's and such, is that the formal nights on Celebrity have been turning into a night just like every other night on many of the cruises. Sure there were a few gowns (I was one) and tuxes on my last cruises, but the majority of men were in a suit or sport jacket and some without jackets or ties and wearing jeans. Women were in some cocktail dresses, but a lot in everyday dresses, pants and blouses, and even flip flops and leggings. I love that I won't have to bring gowns, because I sure feltway overdressed on my last Celebrity cruises.

[LMaxwell]

Hi. Id prefer two things.

One proper formal night. Maybe a captain's dinner towards the end of the cruise. Like Princess do.

And not inviting jeans for the special night. To be honest, I think we are evening chic by the definition most nights. But that's us and our holiday.

But you know. I have a plan. I've ordered some velvet bkszers. With a dickie bow will look fab. Jeans or otherwise. I just hope people don't turn up looking like bus drivers - I don't think they will.

We will cope!!

 

But what would make it special and different. I'm looking for specifics? 2 pc string players? Intermezzo course? Waiters in nicer outfits? Chairs dressed? Complimentary cocktail? Just calling it formal and not doing anything is a farce.