iWillSailAway Posted March 23, 2019 #26 Share Posted March 23, 2019 Cruising industry is now competing on quantity instead of quality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCruisers Posted March 23, 2019 #27 Share Posted March 23, 2019 No longer having the MDR open for lunch on Port Days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted March 24, 2019 #28 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Velvetwater said: 1. The environmental impact (admittedly this is something that is slowly improving) 2. The way they pay their crew. They should have a living wage. Every other niggle in my head is tiny compared to these two. 1. Cruising still has low environmental impact when compared with people flying places - or simply driving their cars. 2. You are fortunate: the crew compensation model is perfectly designed for you to give the crew the compensation they deserve. They elect to work in a performance-pay environment, and the tipping function allows the crew to keep more of what passengers pay than a straight hourly wage would. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #29 Share Posted March 24, 2019 23 hours ago, jbethel11 said: Feel free to keep a collective discussion of things that upset you in the industry. Please respect each others' opinions, and value everyone! What upsets me: Prices are too high for "anticipated" ships that fail to live up to the hype upon delivery! Not enough cruise ports in the US. Too much unhealthy food Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purvis1231 Posted March 24, 2019 #30 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Aplmac said: . You're lucky that Carnival could keep the dollar-number much the same but somebody somewhere is making up for that shortfall. Inflation looks like this.... . That ship has sailed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted March 24, 2019 #31 Share Posted March 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: Not enough cruise ports in the US. Too much unhealthy food I think the food is as good or as bad as anywhere else, but I agree that there are too few ports. Norfolk and Baltimore are convenient to large markets, yet very few cruises originate in those ports, which are accessible without flying. Also, New York has been abandoned to NCL and Royal Catibbean - with their cut rate mega ships. Princess rarely sails from NY and HAL, which used to offer quality sailings, decided not to compete in the massive winter season market - which may not matter so much since they gave up their quality niche in pursuit of the mass market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #32 Share Posted March 24, 2019 I think there should be a port in CT ,possiblly New London and definititely more than 2 ports in NY . I would suggest Freeport,Manhattan Beach and Rockaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted March 24, 2019 #33 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 hours ago, Aplmac said: . You're lucky that Carnival could keep the dollar-number much the same but somebody somewhere is making up for that shortfall. Inflation looks like this.... . It wasn’t banks who started printing money and took the US off sound currency: it was the US government. In 1965, when they stopped exchanging an ounce of silver for a paper dollar, it cost 5 cents to mail the letter which now costs 50 cents — having spent the Social Security trust fund on other matters, the government had to come up with a way to meet obligations — printing money was the obvious easy answer. The only way Congress (and state legislatures) can give voters what they want without making them pay for it is by stealing from the future, one way or the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #34 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, OCruisers said: No longer having the MDR open for lunch on Port Days. That does not bother me . A large percentage of people are off the ship most of the day and the ship would lose money . There are enough free places to eat on ships other than the buffet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted March 24, 2019 #35 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: That does not bother me . A large percentage of people are off the ship most of the day and the ship would lose money . There are enough free places to eat on ships other than the buffet. It is nicer to dine than to just eat, but agree, lunch in port is just as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #36 Share Posted March 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: It is nicer to dine than to just eat, but agree, lunch in port is just as good. 7 minutes ago, MicCanberra said: It is nicer to dine than to just eat, but agree, lunch in port is just as good. We personally prefer lunch in port because we have the opportunity to eat authentic foods that we cannot get at a restaurant where we live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted March 24, 2019 #37 Share Posted March 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, lenquixote66 said: We personally prefer lunch in port because we have the opportunity to eat authentic foods that we cannot get at a restaurant where we live. Exactly, if you can find a nice restaurant in port and sample the local cuisine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbethel11 Posted March 24, 2019 Author #38 Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said: I think the food is as good or as bad as anywhere else, but I agree that there are too few ports. Norfolk and Baltimore are convenient to large markets, yet very few cruises originate in those ports, which are accessible without flying. Also, New York has been abandoned to NCL and Royal Catibbean - with their cut rate mega ships. Princess rarely sails from NY and HAL, which used to offer quality sailings, decided not to compete in the massive winter season market - which may not matter so much since they gave up their quality niche in pursuit of the mass market. And the NYC market is double the price of the Florida Market. People must not like flying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenquixote66 Posted March 24, 2019 #39 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, jbethel11 said: And the NYC market is double the price of the Florida Market. People must not like flying! I wish I could fly but due to disabilities I have not been able to for 9 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted March 24, 2019 #40 Share Posted March 24, 2019 2 hours ago, lenquixote66 said: I wish I could fly but due to disabilities I have not been able to for 9 years. Yeah when flying is out options are limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted March 24, 2019 #41 Share Posted March 24, 2019 The system with bidding for upgrades NCL, and maybe some other lines, has now. That makes the price higher for thoose (=me) who wants to book what they want without hoping for a cheap upgrade. That people from some countries can cancel a cruise for free until final payment. That makes it harder for people from other countries to book the cabin they want since some people might book and later cancel. Maybe it doesn't really upset me but it bother me that they say Champagne when they mean a cheap sparkling wine! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted March 24, 2019 #42 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Yes, and some cruise lines are aware of this tactic for more than just booking cruises, which is why they changed to pre purchase for shorex 's rather than just booking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplmac Posted March 24, 2019 #43 Share Posted March 24, 2019 5 hours ago, sverigecruiser said: Maybe it doesn't really upset me but it bothers me that they say Champagne when they mean a cheap sparkling wine! . All Champagnes I've ever sampled are utterly horrible. I cannot think of a worse wine product! A pleasant (Italian) Asti Spumante is a welcome alternative to the snob value of a "real" Champagne. I much prefer a cheap sparkling white wine: excellent value for money! Oh and btw...Screw-tops rule! Corks are a pain, especially when I'm thirsty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted March 24, 2019 #44 Share Posted March 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, Aplmac said: . All Champagnes I've ever sampled are utterly horrible. I cannot think of a worse wine product! A pleasant (Italian) Asti Spumante is a welcome alternative to the snob value of a "real" Champagne. I much prefer a cheap sparkling white wine: excellent value for money! Oh and btw...Screw-tops rule! Corks are a pain, especially when I'm thirsty So why do they call the cheap wines Champagne if that tastes so bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted March 24, 2019 #45 Share Posted March 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, Aplmac said: . All Champagnes I've ever sampled are utterly horrible. I cannot think of a worse wine product! A pleasant (Italian) Asti Spumante is a welcome alternative to the snob value of a "real" Champagne. I much prefer a cheap sparkling white wine: excellent value for money! Oh and btw...Screw-tops rule! Corks are a pain, especially when I'm thirsty Perhaps the reason you like Asti Spumante is because it is similar to REAL Champagne, which I am inclined to wonder if you would recognize upon presentation. The better beverages which come with corks are really designed for tasting rather than thirst quenching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvetwater Posted March 24, 2019 #46 Share Posted March 24, 2019 14 hours ago, navybankerteacher said: 1. Cruising still has low environmental impact when compared with people flying places - or simply driving their cars. 2. You are fortunate: the crew compensation model is perfectly designed for you to give the crew the compensation they deserve. They elect to work in a performance-pay environment, and the tipping function allows the crew to keep more of what passengers pay than a straight hourly wage would. I respectfully disagree and remain with my original view on both. I will not debate why as I there are many of my posts on these matters and I don't want to hijack the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvetwater Posted March 24, 2019 #47 Share Posted March 24, 2019 (edited) The secret is pretty much out that Champagne isn't the height of the sparkling wine world anymore and hasn't been for a long time. Those that still cling to it as the best quality are either French, old, old-fashioned, conservative or a mixture. By all means have your favourite sparkling wine whether it be Champagne, Cava, Shampanskoye or whatever as that's your taste. Sparkling wine is not my first choice of drink but if need be I will choose Cava as I generally prefer my Spanish wines. Edited March 24, 2019 by Velvetwater Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifes-a-beach Posted March 24, 2019 #48 Share Posted March 24, 2019 Cleanliness of the staterooms. And loud drunks. Alcohol drink packages seem to have increased their numbers and I just have little patience with them. And fewer quiet places without loud drunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted March 24, 2019 #49 Share Posted March 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Velvetwater said: The secret is pretty much out that Champagne isn't the height of the sparkling wine world anymore and hasn't been for a long time. I don't know if Champagne is the height of the sparkling wine world or not but as long as it tastes better than other sparkling wines I will prefer Champagne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sverigecruiser Posted March 24, 2019 #50 Share Posted March 24, 2019 31 minutes ago, Velvetwater said: Those that still cling to it as the best quality are either French, old, old-fashioned, conservative or a mixture. By all means have your favourite sparkling wine whether it be Champagne, Cava, Shampanskoye or whatever as that's your taste. Sparkling wine is not my first choice of drink but if need be I will choose Cava as I generally prefer my Spanish wines. I prefer Champagne because I think it tastes better. To stay on topic for this thread I can say that I am upset that they call a cheap sparkling wine Champagne and some people prefer that sparkling wine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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