Ready to Sail? Here are the latest protocols...

[bgoff60]

This should be interesting to see how it all pans out.

 

[suzyluvs2cruise]

12 minutes ago, bgoff60 said:

This should be interesting to see how it all pans out.

 

 

This is from the Blog....a fan based publication....and nothing official. The thread title is misleading. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by suzyluvs2cruise

[fla gang]

I wonder how they will fly you home if you test positive? airlines won't let you board so you are gonna be stuck someplace until you test negative. Good Blog though.

[Smiles1984]

You can read it all straight from the horse's mouth here:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/sgp/en/royal-promise

[FSHLOT]

That sounds like a real PIA...... Not for us!!

 

Who really wants to go through all that? It doesn't sound fun. We love cruising, but if we have to go through those tests to cruise, we'll just wait!! If it never gets back to normal then i guess we are done cruising!! 

[notmyrealnameoremail]

1 hour ago, Smiles1984 said:

You can read it all straight from the horse's mouth here:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/sgp/en/royal-promise

But,  that is on the Singapore site it and is for the upcoming cruises out of Singapore.  While much of it may carry over to cruises out of other countries, some may not.

[beerman2]

2 hours ago, Smiles1984 said:

You can read it all straight from the horse's mouth here:

 

https://www.royalcaribbean.com/sgp/en/royal-promise

That is 7, where are the other 67 the "Healthy Sail" panel put together and is recommending? 

[ace2542]

I have not viewed it as it is not final. They will obviously go down the route of no vaccine no sail no exemptions and want the so called health passport being created in Germany as proof. These requirements will most likely be written into the terms and conditions of the cruise package at some point moving forward.

 

All of this having been said it could be very hard to legally enforce on previously sold cruises as surely they cannot change the terms and conditions after sale. Be interesting to see how that plays out

[notmyrealnameoremail]

13 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

I have not viewed it as it is not final. They will obviously go down the route of no vaccine no sail no exemptions and want the so called health passport being created in Germany as proof. These requirements will most likely be written into the terms and conditions of the cruise package at some point moving forward.

 

All of this having been said it could be very hard to legally enforce on previously sold cruises as surely they cannot change the terms and conditions after sale. Be interesting to see how that plays out

They can and likely will enforce the rules in place at time of sailing. 

 

From the current Cruise/Cruisetour Ticket Contract

 

4. PUBLIC HEALTH, COVID-19 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, KNOWING ACCEPTANCE OF THE RISKS
a. Recommended Consultation with Personal Physician.  Passengers are encouraged to discuss the advisability of travel with their personal physicians and to review the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (?CDC?) website for updated information. The CDC has identified elderly persons and persons with certain chronic medical conditions as being at increased risk of life-threatening complications from being infected with COVID-19.  PASSENGER ACKNOWLEDGES, UNDERSTANDS AND ACCEPTS THAT WHILE ABOARD THE VESSEL, IN TERMINALS AND BOARDING AREAS, OR DURING ACTIVITIES ASHORE AND/ OR WHILE TRAVELING TO OR FROM THE VESSEL, THE PASSENGER OR OTHER PASSENGERS MAY BE EXPOSED TO COMMUNICABLE ILLNESSES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO COVID-19, INFLUENZA, COLDS AND NOROVIRUS. PASSENGER FURTHER UNDERSTANDS AND ACCEPTS THAT THE RISK OF EXPOSURES TO THESE COMMUNICABLE ILLNESSES AND OTHERS IS INHERENT IN MOST ACTIVITIES WHERE PEOPLE INTERACT OR SHARE COMMON FACILITIES, IS BEYOND CARRIER?S CONTROL, AND CANNOT BE ELIMINATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. PASSENGER KNOWINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTS THESE RISKS AS PART OF THIS TICKET CONTRACT, INCLUDING THE RISK OF SERIOUS ILLNESS OR DEATH ARISING FROM SUCH EXPOSURES, AND/OR ALL RELATED DAMAGES, LOSS, COSTS AND EXPENSES OF ANY NATURE WHATSOEVER.
b. Agreement to Abide by Current COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures are subject to guidance and directives of established health authorities in the U.S. and other destinations where the Vessel visits, including the CDC  and other international, national and local health agencies when the Vessel is within those agencies? jurisdiction.  Passenger acknowledges that these directives may change from time to time and that Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures may therefore change. Passenger expressly agrees to comply not only with the COVID-19 Policies and Procedures as they are described herein, but also as they are set forth on Carrier?s website at  www.RoyalCaribbean.com, at all times including pre-embarkation, while onboard, during port calls and shore excursions and/or final disembarkation.  In case of any conflict between the COVID-19 Policies and Procedures described herein or on Carrier?s website, the website governs.  Passenger?s agreement to abide by Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures constitutes an integral part of this Ticket Contract. 
c. COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Passenger understands that Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures may or will include (but are not be limited to): (1) providing an accurate, truthful and complete health questionnaire in a form and containing any and all health or travel-related questions as required by Carrier in its sole discretion, for each Passenger prior to boarding; (2) pre-embarkation and/or periodic testing and temperature checks of each Passenger; (3) modified capacity rules for activities (including but not limited to restaurants, gyms, and entertainment events onboard and for shore excursions) which may limit or eliminate the ability of Passenger to participate in particular activities; (4) mandatory use by each Passenger (except where medically contraindicated) of face coverings in most locations outside of the Passenger?s cabin while onboard, during embarkation, disembarkation and shore excursions; (5) mandatory social distancing of Passengers at any/all times while on board and during embarkation, disembarkation, and shore excursions; (6) additional restrictions during shore excursions depending on local conditions, including but not limited to denial of disembarkation at destinations unless participating in only Carrier-approved shore excursions; (7) mandatory hand-sanitizing by Passenger upon entry or exit of any public areas; (8) confinement of Passengers to cabins, quarantine or emergency disembarkation of Passenger if, in Carrier?s sole discretion, such steps are necessary to prevent or slow the spread of COVID-19; (9) the required completion by Passenger in a timely manner of any written authorizations or consent forms required for Carrier to carry out its COVID-19 Policies and Procedures (including but not limited to medical information, medical privacy, or personal data privacy consent forms), and; (10) other policies and procedures deemed by Carrier in its sole discretion to be necessary to reduce the risk of spread of COVID-19.   Passenger acknowledges that:  (i) Carrier?s Privacy Policy for Health Protection Measures (?Health Privacy Policy?) is an integral part of Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures; (ii) the Health Privacy Policy has been made available to Passenger; and (iii) Passenger agrees to the terms of the Health Privacy Policy.
d. Mandatory Compliance with COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Notwithstanding any other provision contained herein or in Carrier?s Refund Policy, any noncompliance by Passenger or members of Passenger?s travelling party with Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures or this Ticket Contract shall be grounds for refusal to board, refusal to re-board after going ashore, quarantine onboard the Vessel, disembarkation, reporting to governmental or health authorities, or other steps deemed necessary in Carrier?s sole discretion under the circumstances to protect the health and well-being of others.  Under these circumstances, Passenger shall not be entitled to a refund or compensation of any kind. Passenger will be responsible for all related costs and fines, including without limitation travel expenses and for proper travel documentation for any port, or for departure from or arrival to Passenger?s country of residence.  Under no circumstances shall Carrier be liable for any damages or expenses whatsoever incurred by any Passenger as a result of such denial of boarding, refusal to re-board, quarantine, disembarkation, or other steps taken by Carrier.
e. Passenger Testing Positive for COVID-19 Pre-Cruise. Passenger agrees that if at any time within 14 days prior to embarkation, Passenger tests positive for COVID-19, exhibits signs or symptoms of COVID-19, has had close contact with a person confirmed or suspected as having COVID-19, or Carrier otherwise determines in its sole discretion that Passenger is unfit to board because of any communicable illness, Carrier will deny boarding to such Passenger.  Under these circumstances, unless Carrier determines that Passenger has failed to comply with Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures or this Ticket Contract, any Passenger denied boarding because of a known or suspected infection with COVID-19 will be entitled to a refund or future cruise credit equal in value to the Cruise Fare Passenger paid to Carrier.  Carrier, in its sole discretion, may require Passenger to provide verification satisfactory to Carrier of  Passenger?s positive test result if the test was administered by a provider other than those retained by Carrier. For further details, refer to Carrier?s refund and cancellation policy at www.RoyalCaribbean.com.  Under no circumstances shall Carrier have any other liability for any compensation or other damages whatsoever, including but not limited to compensation for lodging or travel.
f. Passenger Testing Positive for COVID-19 During Cruise. Passenger understands and agrees that if, after boarding, and even if Passenger has fully complied with all COVID-19 Policies and Procedures, Passenger tests positive for COVID-19 or exhibits signs or symptoms of COVID-19, Carrier may disembark, refuse re-boarding after a shore excursion, or quarantine Passenger as well as members of Passenger?s travelling party, or take other steps which Carrier determines, in its sole discretion, are necessary under the circumstances to protect the health and well-being of others. Under these circumstances, any such Passenger with a known or suspected case of infection with COVID-19 who is disembarked, refused re-boarding, or quarantined shall be entitled to a prorated refund or future cruise credit for the unused portion of the Cruise Fare. For further details, refer to Carrier?s refund and cancellation policy at www.RoyalCaribbean.com. Each such Passenger is responsible for all other related costs and fines, including without limitation travel expenses. Under no circumstances shall Carrier be liable to any such Passenger for any costs, damages or expenses whatsoever incurred by any Passenger.

If Carrier received payment via credit card and a refund is owed, the refund will be made to that credit card. If Carrier received payment from your travel agent and a refund is owed, the refund will be provided back to that travel agent.

[bouhunter]

46 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

 

 

All of this having been said it could be very hard to legally enforce on previously sold cruises as surely they cannot change the terms and conditions after sale. Be interesting to see how that plays out

Haha.  They can and will do anything they deem necessary.  Though it probably wont matter for the first half of 2021, as most cruises will be cancelled and a few ships will be booking new itin's anyway.

Edited October 26, 2020 by bouhunter

[Smiles1984]

2 hours ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

But,  that is on the Singapore site it and is for the upcoming cruises out of Singapore.  While much of it may carry over to cruises out of other countries, some may not.

Yes. The video this thread is based on applies to them, since they are the first cruises.

 

1 hour ago, beerman2 said:

That is 7, where are the other 67 the "Healthy Sail" panel put together and is recommending? 

This is about the video. People responded stating that the video was not official, I provided a link to the official statement to back it up.

[FSHLOT]

21 minutes ago, Smiles1984 said:

Yes. The video this thread is based on applies to them, since they are the first cruises.

 

This is about the video. People responded stating that the video was not official, I provided a link to the official statement to back it up.

Seems like everyone wants a "Fact check" now-a-days. I'm not saying wanting real facts is a bad thing, I just think it's funny. Who are the actual "Fact Checkers" anyway?  lol

Edited October 26, 2020 by FSHLOT

[ace2542]

1 hour ago, bouhunter said:

Haha.  They can and will do anything they deem necessary.  Though it probably wont matter for the first half of 2021, as most cruises will be cancelled and a few ships will be booking new itin's anyway.

Surely they will have to issue a refund on cruises that they have sold prior to "enforcing" vaccination requirements. They can't refuse to refund the money to persons whom they did not inform of the need of vaccination and then turn round and refuse to board for not having on?

[ace2542]

1 hour ago, notmyrealnameoremail said:

They can and likely will enforce the rules in place at time of sailing. 

 

From the current Cruise/Cruisetour Ticket Contract

 

4. PUBLIC HEALTH, COVID-19 POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, KNOWING ACCEPTANCE OF THE RISKS
a. Recommended Consultation with Personal Physician.  Passengers are encouraged to discuss the advisability of travel with their personal physicians and to review the U.S. Centers for Disease Control (?CDC?) website for updated information. The CDC has identified elderly persons and persons with certain chronic medical conditions as being at increased risk of life-threatening complications from being infected with COVID-19.  PASSENGER ACKNOWLEDGES, UNDERSTANDS AND ACCEPTS THAT WHILE ABOARD THE VESSEL, IN TERMINALS AND BOARDING AREAS, OR DURING ACTIVITIES ASHORE AND/ OR WHILE TRAVELING TO OR FROM THE VESSEL, THE PASSENGER OR OTHER PASSENGERS MAY BE EXPOSED TO COMMUNICABLE ILLNESSES, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO COVID-19, INFLUENZA, COLDS AND NOROVIRUS. PASSENGER FURTHER UNDERSTANDS AND ACCEPTS THAT THE RISK OF EXPOSURES TO THESE COMMUNICABLE ILLNESSES AND OTHERS IS INHERENT IN MOST ACTIVITIES WHERE PEOPLE INTERACT OR SHARE COMMON FACILITIES, IS BEYOND CARRIER?S CONTROL, AND CANNOT BE ELIMINATED UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. PASSENGER KNOWINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY ACCEPTS THESE RISKS AS PART OF THIS TICKET CONTRACT, INCLUDING THE RISK OF SERIOUS ILLNESS OR DEATH ARISING FROM SUCH EXPOSURES, AND/OR ALL RELATED DAMAGES, LOSS, COSTS AND EXPENSES OF ANY NATURE WHATSOEVER.
b. Agreement to Abide by Current COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures are subject to guidance and directives of established health authorities in the U.S. and other destinations where the Vessel visits, including the CDC  and other international, national and local health agencies when the Vessel is within those agencies? jurisdiction.  Passenger acknowledges that these directives may change from time to time and that Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures may therefore change. Passenger expressly agrees to comply not only with the COVID-19 Policies and Procedures as they are described herein, but also as they are set forth on Carrier?s website at  www.RoyalCaribbean.com, at all times including pre-embarkation, while onboard, during port calls and shore excursions and/or final disembarkation.  In case of any conflict between the COVID-19 Policies and Procedures described herein or on Carrier?s website, the website governs.  Passenger?s agreement to abide by Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures constitutes an integral part of this Ticket Contract. 
c. COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Passenger understands that Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures may or will include (but are not be limited to): (1) providing an accurate, truthful and complete health questionnaire in a form and containing any and all health or travel-related questions as required by Carrier in its sole discretion, for each Passenger prior to boarding; (2) pre-embarkation and/or periodic testing and temperature checks of each Passenger; (3) modified capacity rules for activities (including but not limited to restaurants, gyms, and entertainment events onboard and for shore excursions) which may limit or eliminate the ability of Passenger to participate in particular activities; (4) mandatory use by each Passenger (except where medically contraindicated) of face coverings in most locations outside of the Passenger?s cabin while onboard, during embarkation, disembarkation and shore excursions; (5) mandatory social distancing of Passengers at any/all times while on board and during embarkation, disembarkation, and shore excursions; (6) additional restrictions during shore excursions depending on local conditions, including but not limited to denial of disembarkation at destinations unless participating in only Carrier-approved shore excursions; (7) mandatory hand-sanitizing by Passenger upon entry or exit of any public areas; (8) confinement of Passengers to cabins, quarantine or emergency disembarkation of Passenger if, in Carrier?s sole discretion, such steps are necessary to prevent or slow the spread of COVID-19; (9) the required completion by Passenger in a timely manner of any written authorizations or consent forms required for Carrier to carry out its COVID-19 Policies and Procedures (including but not limited to medical information, medical privacy, or personal data privacy consent forms), and; (10) other policies and procedures deemed by Carrier in its sole discretion to be necessary to reduce the risk of spread of COVID-19.   Passenger acknowledges that:  (i) Carrier?s Privacy Policy for Health Protection Measures (?Health Privacy Policy?) is an integral part of Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures; (ii) the Health Privacy Policy has been made available to Passenger; and (iii) Passenger agrees to the terms of the Health Privacy Policy.
d. Mandatory Compliance with COVID-19 Policies and Procedures. Notwithstanding any other provision contained herein or in Carrier?s Refund Policy, any noncompliance by Passenger or members of Passenger?s travelling party with Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures or this Ticket Contract shall be grounds for refusal to board, refusal to re-board after going ashore, quarantine onboard the Vessel, disembarkation, reporting to governmental or health authorities, or other steps deemed necessary in Carrier?s sole discretion under the circumstances to protect the health and well-being of others.  Under these circumstances, Passenger shall not be entitled to a refund or compensation of any kind. Passenger will be responsible for all related costs and fines, including without limitation travel expenses and for proper travel documentation for any port, or for departure from or arrival to Passenger?s country of residence.  Under no circumstances shall Carrier be liable for any damages or expenses whatsoever incurred by any Passenger as a result of such denial of boarding, refusal to re-board, quarantine, disembarkation, or other steps taken by Carrier.
e. Passenger Testing Positive for COVID-19 Pre-Cruise. Passenger agrees that if at any time within 14 days prior to embarkation, Passenger tests positive for COVID-19, exhibits signs or symptoms of COVID-19, has had close contact with a person confirmed or suspected as having COVID-19, or Carrier otherwise determines in its sole discretion that Passenger is unfit to board because of any communicable illness, Carrier will deny boarding to such Passenger.  Under these circumstances, unless Carrier determines that Passenger has failed to comply with Carrier?s COVID-19 Policies and Procedures or this Ticket Contract, any Passenger denied boarding because of a known or suspected infection with COVID-19 will be entitled to a refund or future cruise credit equal in value to the Cruise Fare Passenger paid to Carrier.  Carrier, in its sole discretion, may require Passenger to provide verification satisfactory to Carrier of  Passenger?s positive test result if the test was administered by a provider other than those retained by Carrier. For further details, refer to Carrier?s refund and cancellation policy at www.RoyalCaribbean.com.  Under no circumstances shall Carrier have any other liability for any compensation or other damages whatsoever, including but not limited to compensation for lodging or travel.
f. Passenger Testing Positive for COVID-19 During Cruise. Passenger understands and agrees that if, after boarding, and even if Passenger has fully complied with all COVID-19 Policies and Procedures, Passenger tests positive for COVID-19 or exhibits signs or symptoms of COVID-19, Carrier may disembark, refuse re-boarding after a shore excursion, or quarantine Passenger as well as members of Passenger?s travelling party, or take other steps which Carrier determines, in its sole discretion, are necessary under the circumstances to protect the health and well-being of others. Under these circumstances, any such Passenger with a known or suspected case of infection with COVID-19 who is disembarked, refused re-boarding, or quarantined shall be entitled to a prorated refund or future cruise credit for the unused portion of the Cruise Fare. For further details, refer to Carrier?s refund and cancellation policy at www.RoyalCaribbean.com. Each such Passenger is responsible for all other related costs and fines, including without limitation travel expenses. Under no circumstances shall Carrier be liable to any such Passenger for any costs, damages or expenses whatsoever incurred by any Passenger.

If Carrier received payment via credit card and a refund is owed, the refund will be made to that credit card. If Carrier received payment from your travel agent and a refund is owed, the refund will be provided back to that travel agent.

I don't think a word of that is in my t&c for my cruise that was sold by agency back in April/May time depart late 2021 when vaccine will be available and insisted upon for entry to USA nevermind cruise I am sure leaving most of the above wording moot anyway. And I have not received any updated t&c's regarding any changes.

[Ourusualbeach]

5 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

Surely they will have to issue a refund on cruises that they have sold prior to "enforcing" vaccination requirements. They can't refuse to refund the money to persons whom they did not inform of the need of vaccination and then turn round and refuse to board for not having on?

I must have missed it.  Can you point out where you saw that Royal listed that vaccines would be a requirement. 

[bouhunter]

3 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

I don't think a word of that is in my t&c for my cruise that was sold by agency back in April/May time depart late 2021 when vaccine will be available and insisted upon for entry to USA nevermind cruise I am sure leaving most of the above wording moot anyway. And I have not received any updated t&c's regarding any changes.

Might not want to make final payment until it's due.  At least all that's at risk is your deposit.

[notmyrealnameoremail]

7 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

I don't think a word of that is in my t&c for my cruise that was sold by agency back in April/May time depart late 2021 when vaccine will be available and insisted upon for entry to USA nevermind cruise I am sure leaving most of the above wording moot anyway. And I have not received any updated t&c's regarding any changes.

No, it probably wasn't, but here is 6.D. from my May 2019 cruise contract:

 

d. Carrier shall have the right to comply with any orders, recommendations, or 
directions whatsoever given by any governmental entity or by persons purporting 
to act with such authority and such compliance shall not be deemed a breach 
of this Agreement entitling the Passenger to assert any claim for liability, 
compensation or refund.

 

 

[bobmacliberty]

Just like in politics, there are several layers of facts.  There are websites/blogs like the one the OP linked that in theory have access to inside info and SHOULD be fairly factual.  There are people here with similar inside info, but you need to figure out how to separate them from the other people here who's sister's hair dresser is FB friends with a ship's cook.  Royal SHOULD be the source of facts but we've seen many times that what you hear from Royal depends on who you talk to and when.  The only "true fact" is what happens when you actually sail.

[NthernLgts]

4 hours ago, FSHLOT said:

That sounds like a real PIA...... Not for us!!

 

Who really wants to go through all that? It doesn't sound fun. We love cruising, but if we have to go through those tests to cruise, we'll just wait!! If it never gets back to normal then i guess we are done cruising!! 

 

The parts that stuck with me are:

 

1) Limiting the elevators to a max of 4 people.  That's going to be a Royal (pun intended) mess.

2) I'm not sure I'm willing to have a mask on for the entire cruise unless we are in our stateroom or having something to eat (or swimming/exercising).  I get the reasoning, but for an entire week or longer I'd have to take a pass.

3) On the good side, I really like what they are doing with the air filtration/exchange systems.  Cleaning protocols too, if they stick with it.

[ace2542]

4 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said:

I must have missed it.  Can you point out where you saw that Royal listed that vaccines would be a requirement. 

Do you really believe they will allow you onboard without it. It is a strong line of defence and probably the only way back to normal cruising. And the only way to really drive down the risk of an outbreak.

[ace2542]

4 hours ago, bouhunter said:

Might not want to make final payment until it's due.  At least all that's at risk is your deposit.

Due date is Aug 1st we can transfer with the agency at that point I am sure.

[ace2542]

3 hours ago, NthernLgts said:

 

The parts that stuck with me are:

 

1) Limiting the elevators to a max of 4 people.  That's going to be a Royal (pun intended) mess.

2) I'm not sure I'm willing to have a mask on for the entire cruise unless we are in our stateroom or having something to eat (or swimming/exercising).  I get the reasoning, but for an entire week or longer I'd have to take a pass.

3) On the good side, I really like what they are doing with the air filtration/exchange systems.  Cleaning protocols too, if they stick with it.

That is why vaccine is the way forward. If all persons are vaccinated then the risk is significantly reduced of having any major problems. Especially as these vaccines appear to offer very strong immunity.

[suzyluvs2cruise]

 

9 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

That is why vaccine is the way forward. If all persons are vaccinated then the risk is significantly reduced of having any major problems. Especially as these vaccines appear to offer very strong immunity.

 

Not everyone can.....or.......will be vaccinated. 

[Ourusualbeach]

32 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

Do you really believe they will allow you onboard without it. It is a strong line of defence and probably the only way back to normal cruising. And the only way to really drive down the risk of an outbreak.

None of the ships sailing in Europe or Asia require a vaccine

[S.A.M.J.R.]

17 minutes ago, suzyluvs2cruise said:

 

 

Not everyone can.....or.......will be vaccinated. 

But RCI (or any business for that matter) can say "if you're not vaccinated, you're not doing business with us" (simplifying of course).  Businesses have said for years "no shirt, no shoes, no service".  How is this different?