mtnesterz Posted April 9, 2021 #51 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ombud said: So we know what the 17 are ..... Is #18 Pacific Dawn? Sale not 100% complete? Guesses on #19? Other than just age being the decider, I've read that AIDAmira is not popular with guests. Why I don't know. But if it's not making money, then a possibility. Gotta say, If I'd made the choice, the Costa Atlantica and Mediterranea would have replaced either the Sun and Sea Princess or Carnival Ecstacy and Sensation. They didn't ask me though. Nutz! P&O's fleet is 2000 or newer. Edited April 9, 2021 by mtnesterz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted April 9, 2021 #52 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Keep the Grand Princess, please! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted April 9, 2021 Author #53 Share Posted April 9, 2021 @mtnesterz they held onto 2 older ships while disposing (scrapping) younger ones in the same class before. I'm wondering if it's Ecstasy (1991) or Sensation (1993) Already scrapped: Carnival Fantasy 1990 Carnival Fascination 1994 Carnival Imagination 1995 Carnival Inspiration 1996 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted April 9, 2021 #54 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, oskidunker said: Keep the Grand Princess, please! Doubt they'd sell/scrap after investing in dry dock in 2019 and Medallion hardware. Edited April 9, 2021 by mtnesterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted April 9, 2021 #55 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, mtnesterz said: Doubt they'd sell/scrap after investing in dry dock in 2019 and Medallion hardware. A basic rule of finance is that "Sunk funds have no meaning" and in this case "Sunk" has nothing to do with a ship sinking, rather it is about funds that have already been spent. When you consider what your next steps are as far as a business goes, you basically only look where your are now and then forward. Looking at what you've already spent is meaningless. Sure, back in 2019 their investment made sense financially but things are way different today than they were just a couple of years ago. Not saying I think they will sell the Grand, just that the logic used in your statement is flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted April 9, 2021 Author #56 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Does anyone know which ships in 17 hours ago, Ombud said: Dates of older ships by delivery date: 1991: Carnival Ecstasy 1993: Carnival Sensation 1996: AIDAcara 1997: POAU Explorer 1998: Carnival Elation & Paradise 1999: HAL MS Volendam, AIDAmira 2000: HAL MS Zaandam & PO Aurora (Grand omitted as it has it) have been fitted with medallion networks? Whomever wasn't would be listed on the block https://www.yachtworld.com/boats-for-sale/type-power/class-power-cruise-ship/sort-price:desc/ https://cruiseship.homestead.com/cruiseships.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted April 9, 2021 #57 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, beg3yrs said: Not saying I think they will sell the Grand, just that the logic used in your statement is flawed. My expression of doubt is an emotion and is not linked to logic. Neither is having hope. I also hope they don't sell/scrap the Grand this coming year, since we are booked on the Grand in 2022. I can't give you a logical reason for my own, or anyone else's, doubts or hopes. But the facts are this. Princess transferred the Golden and Star to P&O AU, keeping the older Grand. Princess did not publicize their reason for this. The scope of this thread is to answer where Carnival's ships went and if you have financial or logical insight on this subject, we'd like to read it. Edited April 9, 2021 by mtnesterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabin1 Posted April 9, 2021 #58 Share Posted April 9, 2021 I loved Pacific Princess Hope Azamara treats her well....... Kathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LACruiser88 Posted April 9, 2021 #59 Share Posted April 9, 2021 No matter how you look at it, the Grand will probably be the next ship to leave the Princess fleet. When is the big question??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travelnplane Posted April 9, 2021 #60 Share Posted April 9, 2021 According to the latest Carnival financial report Holland America Line is expected to return 9 ships to service. As they started 2020 with 14 ships and four have left so far one more HAL ship should be no. 19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted April 10, 2021 #61 Share Posted April 10, 2021 12 hours ago, LACruiser88 said: No matter how you look at it, the Grand will probably be the next ship to leave the Princess fleet. When is the big question??? Newer Grand class ships have left already. I suspect because they were more desirable to the recipients as they had a better cabin closet arrangement (larger) and a public mid-ship staircase. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susancruzs Posted April 10, 2021 #62 Share Posted April 10, 2021 OT - booked the Grand for Australia/NZ 2023, surprised by the closet size! Deck plans look like there is a mid-ship staircase. Two years away so we'll see if it is the Grand or another ship! 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susancruzs Posted April 10, 2021 #63 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Too late to edit my post, found quite a "few" discussions about Grand mid-ship stairs! 🙂 How odd they haven't changed it for passenger access above Deck 7! I'm a stairs person, will miss the centrally located staircase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted April 10, 2021 Author #64 Share Posted April 10, 2021 20 hours ago, Travelnplane said: According to the latest Carnival financial report Holland America Line is expected to return 9 ships to service. As they started 2020 with 14 ships and four have left so far one more HAL ship should be no. 19 So I'm thinking 4 lines are 1 ship over the chart: Costa, CCL, HAL, PCL (if Discovery included). Cunard, P&O, POAU, Seaborn seems to be right-sized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beg3yrs Posted April 10, 2021 #65 Share Posted April 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Ombud said: So I'm thinking 4 lines are 1 ship over the chart: Costa, CCL, HAL, PCL (if Discovery included). Cunard, P&O, POAU, Seaborn seems to be right-sized That's the ships they intend to return to service by November 30 of 2021. There could be a straggler that won't restart until early 2022. Possibly could be in a dry-dock late in the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted June 23, 2021 Author #66 Share Posted June 23, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 5:21 PM, Ombud said: Sorry. Can't locate thread. Also anticipate PO Iona delivery date pushed out Sold (not transferred within CCL): 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ocean Builders MS Satoshi, now scrapped by them 11. Sea Princess > Sanya Int Cruise Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara Scrapped: 14. Costa Victoria 15. Carnival Fantasy 16. Carnival Inspiration 17. Carnival Fascination 18. Carnival Imagination 19. ?? Older ships by delivery date: 1991: Carnival Ecstasy 1993: Carnival Sensation1996: AIDAcara 1997: POAU Explorer 1998: Carnival Elation & Paradise, Grand Princess 1999: HAL MS Volendam 2000: HAL MS Zaandam & PO Aurora New builds: Princess Enchanted delivered 2020 PO Iona May 2020 Costa Firenze February 2021 Carnival Mardi Gras April 2021 Discovery Princess 2021AIDAcosma May 2021 HAL MS Rotterdam July 2021 Seabourn Venture December 2021 Carnival Celebration May 2022 #19 = AIDAcara sold Update on AIDAcosma -> transferred within fleet to Carnival Cruise Lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 5, 2022 Author #67 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) #20 - Carnival Ecstasy 1991 #21 - Carnival Sensation 1993 #22 - (I missed 1) Edited February 5, 2022 by Ombud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 7, 2022 Author #68 Share Posted February 7, 2022 As CCL (and all other lines) struggle to return to profitability, sold (not transferred within CCL): 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ocean Builders MS Satoshi, now scrapped by them 11. Sea Princess > Sanya Int Cruise Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara 14. AIDAmira -> Ambassador Cruise Lines by 3/22 15. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande Scrapped: 16. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 18. Carnival Inspiration 19. Carnival Fascination 20 Carnival Imagination 21. Carnival Sensation w/n return to service 22. Carnival Ecstasy by 10/22 Older ships by delivery date: 1997: POAU Explorer (updated 2014) 1998: Carnival Elation & Paradise, Grand Princess (Grand updated, Carnival's weren't) 1999: HAL MS Volendam (update 2014) 2000: HAL MS Zaandam (updated 2017) & PO Aurora (updated 2009) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted February 7, 2022 #69 Share Posted February 7, 2022 (edited) #10 above, Pacific Dawn/MS Satoshi, is now the Ambience for startup Ambassador Cruise Lines. The soon to join AIDAmira, to be renamed Ambition. Word is it was a cash purchase. Where does that kind of money come from? Anyone have news on the disposition of the Sensation and Ecstacy? Meaning scrapping or sale. Newer ships have been scrapped. Edited February 7, 2022 by mtnesterz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dothan1952 Posted February 8, 2022 #70 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 1/22/2021 at 7:51 PM, Ombud said: Thank you @mtnesterz I was hoping you'd pop in!! Golden & Star are still in the 'family' and probably will be for a while. I'll see them on POAU Also hoping QM2 stays with Cunard. New ships are great if I'm primarily interested in listening to music onboard but the others are better for ports. Really doubt that QM2 would leave Cunard, too many $ spent on a ship designed for crossing the North Atlantic - no other Cunard ship has that capability and don't see any other cruise line with that kind of client base that would want to purchase her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 8, 2022 Author #71 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ombud said: As CCL (and all other lines) struggle to return to profitability, sold (not transferred within CCL): 1. Costa Atlantica -> CSSC 2. Costa Mediterranea -> CSSC 3. Costa neoRomantica -> Celestyal Cruises Experience 4. HAL Amsterdam -> Fred Olsen Bolette 5. HAL Rotterdam -> Fred Olsen Borealis 6. HAL Maasdam -> Seajets Aegan Myths 7. HAL Veendam -> Seajets Aegean Majesty 8. P&O Oceana -> Seajets Queen of the Oceans 9. POAU Pacific Aria -> Seajets 10. POAU Pacific Dawn -> Ambassador Cruises Ambience 11. Sea Princess > Sanya Int Cruise Charming 12. Sun Princess > Peace Boat Pacific World 13. Pacific Princess > Azamara 14. AIDAmira -> Ambassador Cruise Lines by 3/22 15. AIDAcara -> Astoria Grande Scrapped: 16. Costa Victoria 17. Carnival Fantasy 18. Carnival Inspiration 19. Carnival Fascination 20 Carnival Imagination 21. Carnival Sensation w/n return to service 22. Carnival Ecstasy by 10/22 Older ships by delivery date: 1997: POAU Explorer (updated 2014) 1998: Carnival Elation & Paradise, Grand Princess (Grand updated, Carnival's weren't) 1999: HAL MS Volendam (update 2014) 2000: HAL MS Zaandam (updated 2017) & PO Aurora (updated 2009) Corrected. Thanks @mtnesterz Hope you're right @Dothan1952. They're the only line dogs can go on. Matters to some of us Edited February 8, 2022 by Ombud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 8, 2022 Author #72 Share Posted February 8, 2022 CC is not making a profit yet even with huge uptick in onboard spending. It was amazing to see the party atmosphere in a store drawing for those who spent more than $100 per trip. Each $100 purchase got them 1 ticket. Over 50 in the store and dozens of tickets per person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtnesterz Posted February 10, 2022 #73 Share Posted February 10, 2022 @Ombud your post #53 back on back in April 8th is coming to be. Those slab sided ships with few pricey balcony cabins just don't bring in the revenue. I don't see secondhand tonnage buyers for the Fantasy Class beyond the scrappers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted February 10, 2022 Author #74 Share Posted February 10, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, mtnesterz said: @Ombud your post #53 back on back in April 8th is coming to be. Those slab sided ships with few pricey balcony cabins just don't bring in the revenue. I don't see secondhand tonnage buyers for the Fantasy Class beyond the scrappers. Now I'm thinking next-to-go would be PO Aurora updated 2009. Well booked line so which Princess ship goes to that line? Or is it the oldest Carnival ship? Correction: Carnival Elation & Paradise updated 2018 Edited February 10, 2022 by Ombud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ombud Posted April 14, 2022 Author #75 Share Posted April 14, 2022 Sapphire Princess at Cypress?? https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/6898/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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