Conquest Captain Boots Man off Ship for Starting A Protest !!!03/16/08 Cruise

[IKE]

This trouble maker should definitely have been put off the Ship at the next Port of Call. Kudos to the Captain! He is the "BOSS"!

[mommiejaxx]

I don't see what legal action this man could take since it is in the contract that you could miss ports for different reasons.. At least they flew him home..

[Kudos2Fly]

I think the Captain did the right thing. The ship and passengers were certainly a lot better off without a disruptive troublemaker who cannot take orders from the Captain.

 

I have been on a Carnival cruise where we missed a port (Costa Maya) due to weather, and we also got the on board credit. People were disappointed, but no one started a disturbance.

 

To think that PASSENGERS with a GPS can second guess the judgment of the Captain and a company that sails ships every day! What nerve those people have. And what a miserable soul that man must have been for starting the commotion!

 

Amen to that, it's always easy to second guess when you are not the one responsible or in charge..

[qprrules]

Where's the "fair and balanced" from Fox - "...significant number on the side of the passenger." Are you kidding me?:eek: That reporter needs to get his facts correct or learn to read....what a joke:mad:

[marybeth200]

Interesting to know that cruisecritic made the news... :)

 

I just wonder if that passenger actually READ ALL THE FINE print? I doubt it, so I think it's going to be tough for him to win any legal action. We'll have to wait and see what happens.

[jakesplace]

First off - I am going to be honest - I have not read EVERYONE take on this situation - I just want to voice my opinion.

 

I personally think that they probably could have made it to the port - they would have just needed to speed it up a knot of two or cut the time at the port of call short to make up for the loss time.

 

However, I think Carnival benefited in the long run b/c I dont know about you guys - but a majority of my sail and sign balance comes from those "fun days at sea".

 

I to would have felt insulted with a $25 dollar credit!

Oh well! Thats just how I feel! :)

 

Ships have specfic times to arrive in port, time slots are given months in advance. the logistics of involved is much greater then just pulling up to a parking space and letting evevyone off.

when they were delayed, and maynot have reached the port at their time slot. the port officials have the final say if they can ajust it.

It may have been the port autority who deinied them. so it all may not have been up to the Captain.

so the only thing he could do is slow down and plan for the next port.

I don't think he was saying to himself , (hey lets just go in circles and make more money) they were still burning fuel.

[pe4all]

I think this guy went too far in his "quest" to feel redeemed for missing a port (due to medical evac) Fortunately, it wasn't one of his family members on that medical evacuation - he may then think differently. I also think he is setting a bad example for his 3 sons pictured in the interview on Fox. I understand standing up for what you feel is right and wrong, but, imho, his 15 minutes of fame is up. Stuff happens - get on with life. We, too, have missed ports for various reasons - med evac, weather, etc. We are on vacation - and the cruise ship is a floating hotel. We live, laugh, and enjoy. It would take a heck of a lot more than a missed port (and, since he is not captaining the ship, and doesn't know all the facts of why they "circled" for hours instead of going to port - maybe there weren't any spots open for the ship) to make us sink back to high school level and have a petition going around. Oh yeah - his kids are in high school! Well, there ya go!

[ski1013]

Good for the Captain. :D Evidently that passenger didn'tr bother reading the contract he accepted. :rolleyes: Carnival does not guarantee any port & they did not have to offer the $25 OBC but that is the standard amount almost anytime a port is missed for whatever reason.

Maybe that guy will learn to read instead of running his mouth next time.

I agree, good for the Captain. He could have taken this up with Carnival after the cruise.

[MizzCard]

A command decission was made by the Captain/and or Carnival. The Captain used his authority and handled the situation.

[DqALEX]

The Capt may have saved other passengers lifes by not stopping in Jamaica.

[Cruiseboy06]

omg, I saw this story in Fox news today. I totally agree with the Captain..

 

The passsenger is thinking about taking legal actions because the $25 is not enough!!!!!!!!!!!!! SURE it is its covers the port charges...

 

Starting a petition is bullchit..

 

 

If it takes on legs with other cable sshows we need to write IN and tell the whiner READ THE CONTRACT.

 

I'm unable to get off of the ship by tender because of my disability (soft port) and i m in a wheelchair I won't demand my $$ back when i m not able to get off the ship.. thats facts of life!!

 

Emergency over making a port #1 not last resort..............

 

Remember, I thought of this, a cruise has # gallons of fuel on the ship for a case of emergency, change ports, extra days at sea like after 9/11, or change of home port of call..

[carkosh]

Yes, cruisecritic was mentioned on Fox News. And the reporter did say that there many replies that defended the actions of the mutinous guy, fortunately that does not appear correct after reading this thread.

 

My take on this:

 

How dare the captain inconvenience the other pax (meaning the rabble rouser & his 3 sons + the 100 sheep who went along) getting this woman medical care as fast as he could! (deep sarcasm here, if you didn't notice)

So glad she's doing ok now!

 

What a wonderful guy!!! Yuck!

 

Carol

[Erica@cruisecritic]

Given the Fox news report and this 11-page thread, we're thinking of posting something on Cruise Critic about this incident. One thing I'm trying to find out (and forgive me if my search on this loooong thread didn't bring it up) was what exactly did the petition say? Can anyone who saw or signed it remember the wording? I'm trying to find out if the signers were asking for more money/compensation or just stating they thought the cruise line handled the situation poorly or something else entirely?

 

Thanks,

Associate Editor Erica

[nailitoff]

i was on the carnival glory in may of 2006.something happened to someone in the evening and we had to turn back towards key west.the coast guard met the ship and took the person off the ship.however we did not miss our next port and it was in belize.

[paperoro]

AS ALWAYS IN BUSINESS AND LIFE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

Carnival Cruise Lines also known as "Greyhound of the High Seas"

 

If I was the man and his sons I would be thrilled to be let off in Grand Cayman

 

Lunch at the grand Ole House and a Rum and Ginger on the Veranda.

 

strange, every time we read about Carnival it's about someone getting

SICK...

 

HMMMMMM

[CitizenX]

A measly $25 dollars is a crime considering Jamaica is one of the more interesting spots. We have been on that cruise and if the passengers only got the $25 bucks there sure should be hell to pay over the excursions that you have to pay for in advance. If all folks want to do is spend time in the Casinos 24/6 fine, but a cruise is a lot of overhead to pay when your goal is to gamble. If this is a once in a lifetime expenditure to go see the islands like our trip then a $25 refund is criminal. I say they should get a full 1/6 of the price of the cruise as a refund or more like a full 1/3 of the price of the cruise. Carnival's contract is written by lawyers to cheat customers that have a less than ideal experience. We had a bad experience, after the first port of call so the refund / return flight was not an option. We will likely NEVER take a carnival or related cruise again because of that experience.

[Linenatic]

As anyone who has sailed versus cruised, you may notice a few things between an ocean liner and a cruise ship. The Carnival Conquest, a cruise ship, is rated at a max speed of 22.5 knots with an average speed of 21 knots. If we take the information we have at hand, the ship turned around at approximately 2000hrs (8:00pm) and met the helicopter at 0030hrs (12:30am midnight). Even if traveling at 20 knots, 2.5 knots under the max speed, the ship would have traveled 90 knotical miles. Once the recovery was complete, the ship would then have to make the return voyage, at which point to return to their starting point the ship has to travel those 90 miles again. Even at max speed, the ship would be nearly 8 hours behind schedule. It would take an additional 9 hours to make up the travel distance lost by the return trip making reaching the destination port on time nearly impossible under the best circumstances. That is not taking any weather, traffic, or sea conditions into account. Any of which could slow the ships progress. Many of the sea ports not only will not let you arrive early, but other won't let you arrive late. One post even mentioned that once you notify a port you are not arriving, it is not easy to change it again. Simply slowing the ship, conserving fuel and resources, while maintaining a safe location at sea (other shipping traffic may have right of way) was the best choice given these circumstances. A ship's captain must make decisions that are best for the safety of the passengers and crew, irregardless if your port call may be missed.

 

So in many circumstances these at sea incidents do occur, but compensation is not achieved by civil disorder onboard. Like any service industry, there are avenues to achieve agreeable results, either in credits, discounts, or other options on current and future cruises. As always document everything if you find yourself in this situation. And if you wish to sail on a fast ship, choose a ship like the Queen Mary 2, whose documented maximum speed is nearly 30.5 knots.

[nats21]

To think that PASSENGERS with a GPS can second guess the judgement of the Captain and a company that sails ships every day! What nerve those people have. And what a miserable soul that man must have been for starting the commotion!

 

 

KEEP LIFE IN PERSPECTIVE!!!

 

Let's not lose our heads simply because a news report is being overblown nationwide over the television. Saying he must have a miserable soul is WAY over the line and frankly should never be welcomed in a sensible discussion of any kind.

 

This is my first post, but certainly not my first time here. I enjoy reading what others have to say and I definitely enjoy advice given on the cruises that I take. But never have I felt more compelled to say something about a stupid comment.

 

Should he have been removed? Yes. Should he have caused such a commotion onboard? No. Should he have waited until the cruise was over before trying to get better compensation from Carnival? Absolutely.

 

But keep life in perspective, people. This might have been his first cruise, or the first one to skip a stop. He probably didn't read the fine print, but then again he probably didn't know that the cruise doesn't charge people for port experiences, simply for port docking costs. If that were the case, how many of you would have been upset after paying for a full experience and getting only $25 in compensation for missing out on it?

 

Some of you talk about getting facts straight, well I concur and challenge that ALL of you get your facts straight. How, do you ask? You can't! You don't know what happened, what the angry passenger knew or didn't know, etc. Some of you are pig-headed enough to assume that the man would rather have the person with the medical emergency die so that he could enjoy Jamaica. The man wanted better compensation, PERIOD. There's no need to be shrill and mindlessly idiotic about this.

 

Bottom line, the guy doesn't understand what goes into the prices of cruises. He thought he was being terribly ripped off and got angry, as anyone that isn't a timid doormat would do. All the guy needs is someone to sit down with him and explain everything, and sadly it appears that hasn't happened.

 

He'll file suit and he will get something from Carnival, simply because Carnival would rather settle out of court than have this continue. And does that man have a miserable soul for doing what he's doing? NO!!! He might have a miserable soul, I haven't met the man, but to judge his freakin SOUL over THIS is rediculous.

 

Keep life in perspective.

[mktresearcher]

A measly $25 dollars is a crime considering Jamaica is one of the more interesting spots. We have been on that cruise and if the passengers only got the $25 bucks there sure should be hell to pay over the excursions that you have to pay for in advance. If all folks want to do is spend time in the Casinos 24/6 fine, but a cruise is a lot of overhead to pay when your goal is to gamble. If this is a once in a lifetime expenditure to go see the islands like our trip then a $25 refund is criminal. I say they should get a full 1/6 of the price of the cruise as a refund or more like a full 1/3 of the price of the cruise. Carnival's contract is written by lawyers to cheat customers that have a less than ideal experience. We had a bad experience, after the first port of call so the refund / return flight was not an option. We will likely NEVER take a carnival or related cruise again because of that experience.

 

While I have no experience or information to argue about the captain's decision or whether the guy was unreasonable, I have to agree that a $25 refund tells me that Carnival is a cheapskate operation that I would think twice about using.

 

If you had to assign a value to each element of the cruise: a day at sea, a day in port, etc., would a stop really be valued at only $25? I'd be willing to bet that a cruise with 10 days at sea is not a mere $50 cheaper than a cruise with 8 days at sea and two stops.

 

The passengers should've been refunded a fair amount of money, not a token.

[sixgun8]

AS ALWAYS IN BUSINESS AND LIFE, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.

 

Carnival Cruise Lines also known as "Greyhound of the High Seas"

 

If I was the man and his sons I would be thrilled to be let off in Grand Cayman

 

Lunch at the grand Ole House and a Rum and Ginger on the Veranda.

 

strange, every time we read about Carnival it's about someone getting

SICK...

 

HMMMMMM

 

 

What ever! go back to your other boards if you don't like carnival. We certainly aren't making you stop by this area of CC. You certainly don't want to be anywhere near this area of CC, so LEAVE>

[sixgun8]

A measly $25 dollars is a crime considering Jamaica is one of the more interesting spots. We have been on that cruise and if the passengers only got the $25 bucks there sure should be hell to pay over the excursions that you have to pay for in advance. If all folks want to do is spend time in the Casinos 24/6 fine, but a cruise is a lot of overhead to pay when your goal is to gamble. If this is a once in a lifetime expenditure to go see the islands like our trip then a $25 refund is criminal. I say they should get a full 1/6 of the price of the cruise as a refund or more like a full 1/3 of the price of the cruise. Carnival's contract is written by lawyers to cheat customers that have a less than ideal experience. We had a bad experience, after the first port of call so the refund / return flight was not an option. We will likely NEVER take a carnival or related cruise again because of that experience.

 

 

Again written by an idget. You couldn't be further from WRONG. First if you are booking a reputable excursion outside of carnival then they wont charge you until you show up for your excursion or fail to cancel. but all the reputable ones say that if the ship doesn't dock, then you don't get charged. If you are booking one through carnival then if you don't make port it is automatically refunded. Here's your sign.

 

Second: Your cruise fare pays for room, meals, experience on board and all that good stuff. If anything you not getting off the ship in a port causes the ship MORE work. So, should you be paynig everyone more money in tips for providing more service to you? I bet you wouldn't. Your port charges were refunded, that's what you deserve.

[DrTandem]

Sounds more like they were trying to "save" fuel. Yes, the $25 would have already been paid for the port, so that wasn't much of a credit for missing a stop. As for fun days at sea, you got to be kidding. What a rip-off. At least one guy had the balls to call them on it.

[Az_Redneck]

What many people don't understand is that when you get on a ship and you are out at sea, you are no longer in a democracy. Your right to petition for a redress of your grievances goes away. Your right to assemble goes away. Your democratic vote goes away and you are under a dictatorship. That dictator is the Captain! What he says goes. If he says he's not stopping at a port and you get nothing, then you GET NOTHING. Maritime law and all that ya know...

 

This guy is posted on foxnews.com also. His kids must be proud of him. I wonder if he complained to the flight attendant on the flight home that he was supposed to get peanuts on the flight instead of crackers and wanted some money from the airline...

[big_duck]

Looks like all the petition signers are crawling out from under their rock.

[gjohnson75]

Like many people, I have been on cruises that have been diverted or missed ports. You can't scream and go crazy, that will never get you anywhere. The first time I ever cruised we were three hours late getting into Cozumel. I was a little peeved and disapointed, but things happen that are out of control.

 

We weren't even refunded anything, we just missed out on a few hours of time. But look at it this way, you are on vacation and not working, a day on a cruise ship is better then being anywhere else.