Rare richwmn Posted May 24, 2017 #1 Share Posted May 24, 2017 https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/17035-holland-america-adds-cuba-calls.html Veendam will be doing a 12 day Christmas, followed by a series of 7 day cruises! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare debsjc Posted May 24, 2017 #2 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I just looked into doing the 5 day RCCL routing from Tampa, but decided against it for this year. Interesting to see HAL will be offering Cuba as well. Just to mention to any non-US nationals, RCCL say ''all guests regardless of country of residence will be required to meet one of the twelve general license categories while onshore in Cuba'' ,,, meaning everyone arriving on their ships has to adhere to those restrictions. It wouldn't surprise me if HAL do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Rare LauraS Posted May 24, 2017 Administrators #3 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Check out the latest Holland America news from Cruise Critic: Holland America Becomes the Next Cruise Line to Sail from the U.S. to Cuba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted May 24, 2017 #4 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I just looked into doing the 5 day RCCL routing from Tampa, but decided against it for this year. Interesting to see HAL will be offering Cuba as well. Just to mention to any non-US nationals, RCCL say ''all guests regardless of country of residence will be required to meet one of the twelve general license categories while onshore in Cuba'' ,,, meaning everyone arriving on their ships has to adhere to those restrictions. It wouldn't surprise me if HAL do the same. They will have to do this. The US rules come into play for everyone when the ship travels to Cuba from a US port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp56 Posted May 24, 2017 #5 Share Posted May 24, 2017 http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2503106 Also see http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2503111 Veendam cruise cancellations in order to accommodate the new Cuba sailing. I wonder how they plan to meet the "your travel must fall into one of 12 categories of authorized travel" requirement. I'd like to think with some really interesting shorex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare debsjc Posted May 24, 2017 #6 Share Posted May 24, 2017 They will have to do this. The US rules come into play for everyone when the ship travels to Cuba from a US port. Ok, I thought that was the case. I think I might prefer MSC from Havana then, with a bit more freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovely other Posted May 24, 2017 #7 Share Posted May 24, 2017 What are these restrictions ? I've been to Cuba before and would love to return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare debsjc Posted May 24, 2017 #8 Share Posted May 24, 2017 What are these restrictions ? I've been to Cuba before and would love to return If it is the same as RCCL, then you have to pay $75 for a visa, and you are meant to take a tour, or be able to account for how you spent you time under the 'Self-Guided People-to-People Program' There is more info here https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cuba/faq/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare POA1 Posted May 24, 2017 #9 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Here's the Cuba Q&A from Carnival. They've been going there for a while, first as Fathom but now as Carnival. Most of the the required person to person experiences last from 6-8 hours. If you do one through a private tour operator, you have to keep your paperwork for 10 years. If you do the excursion through the cruise line, they retain your records. There's a PDF at the link that explains a lot more. https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/category/~/things-to-know/~/travel-to-cuba/c/2152 The Q&A PDF mentions credit card usage, but my source said that as a practical matter, you'll need CUCs. Edited May 24, 2017 by POA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kruizers Posted May 24, 2017 #10 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Thank you richwmn for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiserking Posted May 24, 2017 #11 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The Veendam sailing to Cuba starting December 2017, can't wait. Jonathan Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordSpain Posted May 24, 2017 #12 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Thanks for your post. This is valuable information for us because we are currently booked on that December 22 cruise for a 14-day Holiday Southern Caribbean cruise. The stated itinerary was Half Moon Cay, Grand Turk, San Juan, St. Thomas, Guadeloupe, St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados, Martinique & St Maarten. Since HALs website no longer lists this as a cruise I contacted our TA. HAL advises our TA that the ship has been “redeployed”. It is now a 12 day cruise going to Key West, Cozumel, Costa Maya, Havana, Cienfuegos, Montego Bay and Grand Cayman. This is not even close to what we signed up for and the new port of calls have little interest for us. We also already purchased non-refundable air fare for the original dates. Our original booking also included a generous amount of OBC that we’re losing. Our TA is now trying to line up another Holiday Cruise for us. We obviously have a lot of negotiating to do with HAL over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheWASide Posted May 24, 2017 #13 Share Posted May 24, 2017 We also already purchased non-refundable air fare for the original dates. Our original booking also included a generous amount of OBC that we’re losing. Our TA is now trying to line up another Holiday Cruise for us. We obviously have a lot of negotiating to do with HAL over this. Airfare - Your airfare is non-refundable but can be changed. In many previous instances HAL will cover the CHANGE FEES the airline assesses with proper documentation. OBC - Was it a promo for that cruise that was offered when you booked? If so, I would guess it's unlikely to stay... sailings all have different promos... but you can always ask. Was it connected to future cruise deposits? There's no reason those shouldn't still be on the new booking. Was it a gift from your TA? Up to them but it would be kinda crappy if they backed out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan vermeers Posted May 24, 2017 #14 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The four of us, 2 couples, booked with Veendam Rio/ Amazon 49 day cruise. NOW CANCELLED! One couple has flights and Carnival reservations and 2 shore excursions with private guide booked! Travel agent says no other line has Rio/Carnival. Pretty ANGRY! Will see where this goes. Linda/Stan Ed/Maida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted May 24, 2017 #15 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Airfare - Your airfare is non-refundable but can be changed. In many previous instances HAL will cover the CHANGE FEES the airline assesses with proper documentation. OBC - Was it a promo for that cruise that was offered when you booked? If so, I would guess it's unlikely to stay... sailings all have different promos... but you can always ask. Was it connected to future cruise deposits? There's no reason those shouldn't still be on the new booking. Was it a gift from your TA? Up to them but it would be kinda crappy if they backed out of it. I think it's kinda crappy if HAL doesn't let them keep the promos if they book another cruise for the same time frame. I know the cruise contract lets HAL do anything, but all the ports for this cruise were changed, and HAL should let them change to a different cruise without losing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare 3rdGenCunarder Posted May 24, 2017 #16 Share Posted May 24, 2017 http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2503106 Also see http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2503111 Veendam cruise cancellations in order to accommodate the new Cuba sailing. I wonder how they plan to meet the "your travel must fall into one of 12 categories of authorized travel" requirement. I'd like to think with some really interesting shorex. So far all the cruises I've seen are using the "people to people cultural exchange" category. So tours are about history or meeting local people, touring local businesses, etc. A day at the beach does not count. From what I understood, Fathom required that you take their tours. Azamara is offering tours or you can go out on your own, but you must sign an affidavit specifying which of the categories you will be claiming (so no day at the beach). I think you also have to specify the tour company or guide you're using, but that isn't absolutely clear yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted May 24, 2017 #17 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I think I will wait awhile for a Cuba itinerary on any cruise line. Let the Cubans, if so interested, improve the infrastructure available for cruisers. I'm glad that HAL is including this into their itineraries. But, longer, more diverse itineraries during the Winter season would be of interest to me. (Check out some of the Sitmar Cruises itineraries that encompassed ports in Eastern and Western Caribbean ports.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare POA1 Posted May 25, 2017 #18 Share Posted May 25, 2017 So far all the cruises I've seen are using the "people to people cultural exchange" category. So tours are about history or meeting local people, touring local businesses, etc. A day at the beach does not count. I'm pretty sure that visitors will be using #5. That's how all of Carnival's excursions are classified. CCL usually overnights, which works out for people who want to see the sights. The people to people activities are usually 6 to 8 hours in length. Q: What are the twelve categories of authorized travel? A: The twelve categories include: 1. Family visits; 2. Official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; 3. Journalistic activity; 4. Professional research and professional meetings; 5. Educational activities, including People-to-People exchange programs; 6. Religious activities; 7. Public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; 8. Support for the Cuban people; 9. Humanitarian projects; 10. Activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; 11. Exportation, importation, or transmission of information or information materials; and 12. Certain authorized export transactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelMagnolia9 Posted May 25, 2017 #19 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Thanks for your post. This is valuable information for us because we are currently booked on that December 22 cruise for a 14-day Holiday Southern Caribbean cruise. The stated itinerary was Half Moon Cay, Grand Turk, San Juan, St. Thomas, Guadeloupe, St Lucia, Grenada, Barbados, Martinique & St Maarten. Since HALs website no longer lists this as a cruise I contacted our TA. HAL advises our TA that the ship has been “redeployed”. It is now a 12 day cruise going to Key West, Cozumel, Costa Maya, Havana, Cienfuegos, Montego Bay and Grand Cayman. This is not even close to what we signed up for and the new port of calls have little interest for us. We also already purchased non-refundable air fare for the original dates. Our original booking also included a generous amount of OBC that we’re losing. Our TA is now trying to line up another Holiday Cruise for us. We obviously have a lot of negotiating to do with HAL over this. Take a look at Princess Caribbean Connoisseuer holiday cruise that also departs Dec. 22nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Gail & Marty sailing away Posted May 25, 2017 #20 Share Posted May 25, 2017 Thanks for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radbooks Posted May 26, 2017 #21 Share Posted May 26, 2017 My mom and I were also scheduled on the Dec. 22nd Veendam Southern Caribbean trip and have now switched over to the Cuba trip. We're very excited about it as it's someplace my mom has wanted to visit for some time. Holland has treated us very well. We're paying the same per Diem price for this new cruise and all of our onboard credit is being transferred over. The trip is two days less and we had already bought our airfare and we'll either stay a couple of extra days in Florida or see if we can switch days. Holland did say they would pay for the change fees, but we're just not sure what we want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhg7274 Posted May 26, 2017 #22 Share Posted May 26, 2017 We are livid over this change. We booked this 14 day itinerary months ago. Booked flights for four. Booked the hotels for before and after and now this itinerary has change. The trip is shorter and in my opinion the ports of call are no where near as nice as the original itinerary. We got a call from our HAL cruise consultant and we're advised if the change. We were not offered anything except the new itinerary, to cancel or change sailings. We also were not offered anything in the way of compensation. We were not advised if the new itinerary price would be different. There's one others cruise, which is a back-to-back that we could take, but it's still $1400 more than our original booking. I'm not sure what info anyone else received from HAL, but I feel that the customer service has been deplorable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrimp56 Posted May 26, 2017 #23 Share Posted May 26, 2017 We're Booked! The Feb 14, 2018 sailing that overnights in Havana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJ2002 Posted May 26, 2017 #24 Share Posted May 26, 2017 Nice to see HAL will overnight in Havana. Have just returned from the people-to-people land tour in Cuba, I can confirm that your experience in Havana will be enhanced an extra day there. Consider seeing one of the shows (Tropicana, Buena Vista Social Club, etc) on that evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bUU Posted May 26, 2017 #25 Share Posted May 26, 2017 This is on our list of future cruises we'd like to take. The restriction would be a cake-walk. If we want to sit on a beach we can do it here in the US, especially USVI. If we're going to Cuba it is to see its culture and history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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