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#41
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Originally posted by ToadOfToadHall
Caviar - The Emperor's New Clothes
Don't like it? Then DON'T eat it. Simple as that!
#42
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Our view has always been that the "giant leap" is from Britannia to Princess Grill and that the difference in the dining experiences between the two Grills is modest.

In theory, I agree that the main difference is that off menu ordering is encouraged far more in QG than PG. For example, we often order off menu for lunch in the QG but would feel this would be pushing it a little in PG.

That said, a lot comes down to the waiting team you have in a particular restaurant. A couple of years ago in PG on QV we were actively encouraged to order off menu desserts and other dishes that were on the QG a la carte menu. Our first time in QG on the QV Beniamino Acler (since retired) was constantly suggesting off menu dishes and seemed to really enjoy table side cooking. When we were in QG on the QE last December however, this wasn't the case. Off menu requests were always agreed to politely but were no means encouraged and we never once saw the Maitre D cooking table side.
#44
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Wolfie, loads of tableside cooking in QG on QV last year and this year. I think it depends on the maitre'd.

Toad, what was your point about caviar then?
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#45
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I have done 2 PG and 5 QG - I never really saw a difference except the suite size and I enjoy the vanity in QG.
As for Off menu - the one thing I loved to order off menu are flambe desserts and both restaurants had fun coming up with different things to light on fire for dessert. The only other thing I have ever ordered off menu is risotto once per cruise. Never had any issue with either restaurant - they seem the same to me. It is the flowers, the cabin size and the nice vanity and large closet which make the difference.
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#48
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We really enjoyed the Princess Grill on QE in autumn 2016, and decided there was no need to consider Queens Grill. We booked PG again for 28th November 2017, and when the price plummeted got upgraded to Queens Grill, and without doubt the finest dining experience we have ever had. Certainly, off menu was never offered to us, but knowing about it, I did make a request which was carried out. We noticed lots of table side cooking, and on the last evening had the Romney Marsh rack of lamb, cooked table side, and it was wonderful!
#49
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Originally posted by balf
Well it certainly isn’t Beluga, so Toad may have a point.

David
Then he should explain himself better. We all know it's Hackleback or similar(hopefully NOT Paddlefish roe) If in QG, you can ask if they have a higher brand of Caviar. They might.
#50
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Originally posted by keithm
Then he should explain himself better. We all know it's Hackleback or similar(hopefully NOT Paddlefish roe) If in QG, you can ask if they have a higher brand of Caviar. They might.


It used to be of a very high quality a while ago- usually sevruga on the QE2 in Queens Grill. QG today vs QG on the QE2 the last 10 years she was in service are similar but it used to be of a higher quality overall than now.
#51
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Originally posted by keithm
Then he should explain himself better. We all know it's Hackleback or similar(hopefully NOT Paddlefish roe) If in QG, you can ask if they have a higher brand of Caviar. They might.


Sadly, British irony doesn’t always make it crossing the pond.

I don’t suppose the word “Hackleback” appears anywhere on the menu?

DAVID.
#52
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Originally posted by balf
Sadly, British irony doesn’t always make it crossing the pond.
Neither does, it appears, the expression "the Emperor's new clothes" when used as an idiom.
#54
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Originally posted by balf
I don’t suppose the word “Hackleback” appears anywhere on the menu?
No: 'White Sturgeon' appeared on the one occasion it was a listed starter on QE in December. On menu it was accompanied by a stingy portion of blinis, off menu with more than enough dainty crustless squares of toast.
#55
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Joined Mar 2012
Oh for the days of SS FRANCE when caviar was served in BOWLS not precious little dollops. And bigger cocktail tables in the Smoking Room, they often just left the whole tin, too.

Cunard, in the grim modern world we all inhabit, is far more circumspect. On my one Queens Grill experience on QM2, they claimed to have "run out" of the stuff on day 2 of our six-day crossing. At least then, it was the real thing and beautifully presented. It was a very long, dreary caviar deprived four days until New York.
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#56
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I do very much like Cunard, but was not at all impressed with the QG restaurant the one time I tried it (on the QM2). I do like to think it was just a one-off bad experience.

To be honest, I never really felt welcome in the restaurant. The MD barely looked up when we entered (except when we had to fill out the end-of-voyage questionnaire; then it was pointed out that anything but top-grade was too low for the QG), we were never escorted to the table (except for the first day), and we were never asked for any off-menu wishes (not even the usual deserts).

I had been looking forward to trying the caviar. When asking the waiter, I was told that was not something I could order but I could try to speak with the HW. The HW told that was not something he - but only the MD - could order and he did not really think it was available. When talking to the MD I was asked if I was aware that was an off-menu request. He did agree to it - which was good - but when served the waiter did not hesitate to let me know, again, it was an off-menu item I had ordered and they hoped I would enjoy my off-menu item. The second time I tried to make an off-menu request - nothing out of the ordinary - I was simply told that was not on the menu. I gave up after that. Should probably have talked to the MD and I am certain any misunderstandings would have been sorted out, but did just not feel like it at the time.

Again, do not get me wrong. I love Cunard and do believe it was just a bad day (week) for them. But my one QG experience was bad. All my PG experiences have been absolutely outstanding.
#57
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Agree. My wife and I enjoyed our Britannia and Princess Grill experiences on QUEEN ELIZABETH 2 more than Queens Grill on QM2. But that was many years (25 and 20 respectively) ago back when Cunard was still Cunard and while things have improved markedly in other classes frankly since Carnival, the grill experience has been diluted. And you didn't need special grill decks when you had the incomparable Dennis Dawson to look after you, tucking you into those old QUEEN MARY steamer rugs, brewing real darjeeling tea in real pots and serving wonderful tray snacks and lunches. No one made a thing about special orders, either. I mentioned my fondness for curry for lunch and could have the most wonderful full curry meals anytime I wished. And kedgeree for breakfast, too. The maitre d' back in 1993 was the former butler at Chequers. And this wasn't even Queen's Grill. And you dressed formally.... every single night except sailing day, Sundays (few remember when that was the tradition on British ships not to dress on Sundays) and the day before arrival. I don't even remember a "dress code", it's what ladies and gentlemen did back then without giving it a thought let alone being told to do so.

Queen's Grill on QM2 was thoroughly satisfactory, of course, and we had superb service especially from one lounge steward who was extraordinary. But it's alas nothing like the "old days". Then again, nothing much else is either.

We are looking forward to our first Princess Grill experience in QE this late August immensely.
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#58
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Originally posted by kohl57
Queen's Grill on QM2 was thoroughly satisfactory, of course, and we had superb service especially from one lounge steward who was extraordinary. But it's alas nothing like the "old days". Then again, nothing much else is either.

We are looking forward to our first Princess Grill experience in QE this late August immensely.

You can even see it when you compare a QE2 QG menu from a little over 10 years ago to a QM2 QG menu today. Back then the menu items each night were very different from those being offered in the other restaurants vs today some of the items on the menu in Britannia and QG are nearly the same with maybe some more upscale ingredients and a la minute preparation.
#59
USA
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Joined Mar 2012
True. Then again, the menu, quality and service in Britannia Restaurant on QE, at least as we experienced last August, was infinitely better than Britannia on the QE2. Indeed, I would rank it comparable to that in the Columbia/Caronia. But you are right to compare the actual dishes offered in all of the restaurants on a given night... distinction without a difference comes to mind in much of it. For us, the private decks and facilities of the Grills appeals at least as much as the dining. And why we think it's better than QM2 on that score at least.

To be honest, I am not sure how many folks are that versed in dining to available themselves of the old grill experience anyway. And not just on Cunard. I sailed First Class from Rio to Genova in Costa's magnificent EUGENIO C. years ago and her cuisine put the grills to shame.. and almost no one ordered from the menu. The maitre d' would circulate at luncheon to discuss what you'd like for dinner and the menu was a mere suggestion for many. And so much of it was prepared a la minute tableside. Dinner took the best part of two hours! This was serious business for some and I can't see too many avail themselves of that nowadays. Everyone seems determined to rush off to see... The Show. I am content to have missed the beginning and order another glass of port.
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#60
CA, USA
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Joined Apr 2004
Why are people so intimidated by a service person wearing a tuxedo? If you want caviar in QG TELL them you expect it every evening and not to bother arguing with you.