Have YOU been accosted by the fashion police? We were

[mudscraper]

i've not seen photos of ccers in blue tuxedos. Black tuxedos and white dinner jackets, yes, but not blue tuxedos (ala 1970s).

 

 

 

Ditto

:) :) :)

[RichNY]

:) :) :)

 

A spinning bow tie would add a nice touch...:D

[TracieABD]

The powder-blue fashion police tux and the spinning bow tie sound like the exact perfect get-up for your CC Roll Call -Meet and Mingle!

I would love to see that! :)

[dockrocker]

The fact that you demanded an apology after it was clearly explained to you that you did not meet the dress code, simply because you were spending a bunch of money, really puts you in the class of what is commonly referred to as the Ugly American.

 

Have to agree that the "I'm paying a lot of $$$ so I can do what I want" argument isn't supportable. However, accosting a fellow passenger with criticism or his or her dress:

 

I was not on your cruise but if i were, and a whole group of people insisted dining in the main dining room on a formal night without so much as sport coats on, you can bet I would have said something. My comment would probably have been to the effect of "Didn't you bother to learn about the dress code on this ship. On formal nights gentlemen are expected to wear coats and ties at a minimum." And my comments would not have been spoken softly.

 

...is just as ugly. As someone wise posted earlier in this thread, observing the dress code is about civility and respect for others. Using incivility and disrespect to chastise another for the lack of same is not a particularly compelling or defensible response.

[Arwen]

This thread has been a lot of fun. I am amused by the words "fashion police". As most would know, Iran and Saudi Arabia have REAL fashion police! Violating their dress codes will end you up with an arrest and possibly jail time!

 

Good thing that on HAL, that the self appointed "fashion police" do not have the authority to arrest you and throw you in the "brig" :eek:

[Cuizer2]

On our last cruise, heading back to our cabin at about 6:15 pm, to shower and change for formal evening. We were in shorts, sandals, t-shirts. A woman came up and said "well I guess YOU won't be going to the dining room tonight". For the first time in my life, I was actually able to respond both quickly and appropriately with "oh yes we will" and added an evil grin.

 

We hear lots on this board about the "fashion police". This was my first (and so far, ONLY) encounter with one of them. Anyone else have a fashion police story to share? Or were we just especially blessed? :)

 

The fashion police have gone too far. Nobody but a crew member has the right to make such an outrageous statement.

[grandgeezer]

Good for you...Spend your money on a line where you don't have to contend with rude passengers who think it's their place to comment on the attire of others...I'm sure your employees will be a happier too...:D

 

If you are not following the dress code you deserve to have somebody say something about it. My hat's off to someone who had enough guts to say something. A thumbs down to the people at HAL who gave in to the cry baby who thought she was above the rules. If you're looking for the bad guys, look no further than the TA and the leader of this group who planned the cruise. The dress code is spelled out and the formal days are published in the daily schedule. If they don't follow them, they deserved to be embarrased.

What about the people who followed the rules and had the expectations that everyone else would?

I'll give you a little hint, the passangers are similar on all lines, except Norwegian. If they try the same thing with someone else, I hope somebody else stands up for what is right.

The winners in this are the passangers on the cruises that this bunch won't sail on anymore.

[esther e]

We were waiting to get into the dining room on Celebrity a few years ago and 2 men behind us were asked to please go back to their staterooms and change from jeans into slacks and jackets. If I could spell maitre d, and I can't, that's who told them.

[S1drfl]

The first time, DH and I (and I'm also his DH by the by) were on a 12 day Baltic cruise on which our luggage caught up with us on day 6! HAL was terrific and ponied up free same day cleaning service for our two casual outifts. Our maitre d' knew our tale of woe and had specifically invited us to formal night dinner in the main dining room, saying he would handle anyone with a complaint. We still didn't feel comfortable and were on the way to the Lido for dinner when a gentleman commented, in a friendly tone of voice, that it was time for us to change. We explained our dilemma, and he apologized profusely. Our tuxes caught us up in time for the second formal night and, of course, we ran into the same gentleman passing through a lounge. He gallantly raised his glass to us in salute.

 

The second time, different cruise, another formal night. We were in tuxes having cocktails when a young lady came up to us and after complimenting us on our duds, asked why we were so dressed up. We thought the questionn a bit strange, but explained it was formal night. She then asked if we were waiting for our wives, and I explained that we were married to each other. After a pause she cut to the chase and said "Well, do you dance with girls or is that against the rules?"

[RichNY]

If you are not following the dress code you deserve to have somebody say something about it. My hat's off to someone who had enough guts to say something. A thumbs down to the people at HAL who gave in to the cry baby who thought she was above the rules. If you're looking for the bad guys, look no further than the TA and the leader of this group who planned the cruise. The dress code is spelled out and the formal days are published in the daily schedule. If they don't follow them, they deserved to be embarrased.

What about the people who followed the rules and had the expectations that everyone else would?

I'll give you a little hint, the passangers are similar on all lines, except Norwegian. If they try the same thing with someone else, I hope somebody else stands up for what is right.

The winners in this are the passangers on the cruises that this bunch won't sail on anymore.

 

 

If they violated the dress code why were they still seated.....????.....and the only exclusionary portion of the dress code is for tank tops, swimsuits and shorts...The word usually appears in the dress code..

 

BTW I'm not against dress codes just people with your attitude..

 

Just in case you missed it..T-shirts, swimsuits, tank tops and shorts are not allowed in the restaurants or public areas during the evening hours.

[serendipity1499]

Hello Toyotaford,

 

I was not on your cruise but if i were, and a whole group of people insisted dining in the main dining room on a formal night without so much as sport coats on, you can bet I would have said something. My comment would probably have been to the effect of "Didn't you bother to learn about the dress code on this ship. On formal nights gentlemen are expected to wear coats and ties at a minimum." And my comments would not have been spoken softly.

Scott & Karen

 

Have to agree that the "I'm paying a lot of $$$ so I can do what I want" argument isn't supportable. However, accosting a fellow passenger with criticism or his or her dress:

 

...is just as ugly. As someone wise posted earlier in this thread, observing the dress code is about civility and respect for others. Using incivility and disrespect to chastise another for the lack of same is not a particularly compelling or defensible response.

 

Dockrocker, although, as you do I believe that Psgrs should follow the guidelines of dress & the fact that one is paying a lot of money for the cruise does not hold water, it is just as rude to comment on another's attire! Agree with your entire post that those who would comment are just as ugly!

 

If you are not following the dress code you deserve to have somebody say something about it. My hat's off to someone who had enough guts to say something. A thumbs down to the people at HAL who gave in to the cry baby who thought she was above the rules. If you're looking for the bad guys, look no further than the TA and the leader of this group who planned the cruise. The dress code is spelled out and the formal days are published in the daily schedule. If they don't follow them, they deserved to be embarrased.

What about the people who followed the rules and had the expectations that everyone else would?

I'll give you a little hint, the passangers are similar on all lines, except Norwegian. If they try the same thing with someone else, I hope somebody else stands up for what is right.

The winners in this are the passangers on the cruises that this bunch won't sail on anymore.

 

Thank Goodness, there are not many HAL cruisers who would agree with those who feel it necessary to comment on another Psgrs attire, with such an elitist attitude!.. To comment on a strangers attire in Public is not only rude but also condescending!:( Normally cultured people would never do such a thing..If I were seated in the MDR at a table with someone who deemed it necessary to embarrass or comment on another's dress in public, I would ask to have our table changed! :(

Can't help but wonder, how many times you have cruised on NCL as you've mentioned NCL in several of your posts.. Apparently you believe Psgrs. who cruise on NCL are un-educated & don't have manners..What a shame that there are those who feel it's necessary to not only criticize their fellow Psgrs but also to have such an superior attitude toward those who cruise on other lines..There is an old saying, "It's not who you are but how you treat others which count"

 

Cheeers...:)Betty

[doctork]

In the South we would say one of two things:

To ourselves, "they just were'nt raised right".

To them: "Well, bless your heart!" in a syrupy sweet voice!

 

:cool:

 

Having been raised by Southerners, I was having the same thoughts:

 

"No home training" (similar to "they just weren't raised right")

 

"Bless your heart" is a great come-back!

 

And then: "My mother always taught me it's rude to make personal remarks."

[Oceanwench]

Betty,

 

You post with such grace and class.

Obviously others here need to take a lesson in etiquette.

Commenting negatively on what others wear is offensive, obnoxious and reflects a total lack of class.

[MadManOfBethesda]

This thread caught my eye and I have enjoyed reading it. My husband and I own two car dealerships and we have taken our employees on cruises for the last 6 years. All of the cruises have been with Carnival except our Alaskan cruise which we took with HAL. Since it was our first trip with HAL I addressed the dining attire issue with my TA in an email and he assured me slacks and shirts would be acceptable for men in the main dining rooms. Welll,,,, the first formal night we were seated at our table with our employees and their spouses. No one was in jeans or shorts but no one had on coats. A group of people in tuxs passed our table and one of them looked and us and said "They must be from Tennessee." (Which we aren't, we are from Louisiana, probably even more laid back then Tennessee.) We just laughed at the comment. A few minutes later the maitre'd came to our table and told us our dress was not acceptable. I apparently gave him a look that got my message across because we were served and finished our meal. When we got to our room that night I called the front desk and told them I was an extremely unhappy cruiser and needed to have a meeting the next morning with someone that could make me happy. So, I met with someone the next morning and started by telling how much I was spending to bring 80 employees on their ship, all in balcony rooms, not to mention what my employees were spending on drinks and the casino. I told them I had addressed the dress issue before sailing with my TA and if he had in fact not checked with them that would be between me and him. I was returning to their ship in two weeks with the other half of our employees and wanted all issues resolved before we returned. They were so apologetic. I received letters of apology from several people, I received food in the room, we were treated fine the rest of the trip. We did return two weeks later with the second group of employees and were seated each night in the dining room with no problem. In hind sight my guess is that the people who thought we were from Tennessee probably complained and the maitre'd felt compelled to do something about it. I felt he should have addressed it with me, as host of the group, privately, and not embarrassed my guest. I think once the ship staff realized the amount of money I was spending with them and the amount the people doing the complaining was spending they decided to let the money do the talking. We have not sailed with HAL since bringing our groups to Alaska and do not have any plans on doing so. We felt overall it was a stuffy, uppity ship. We have taken several more on Carnival and next year will be going to Hawaii with our employees on Norwegian.

 

So let me see if I understand your position correctly:

 

On your first cruise you were dressed inappropriately for formal night because your TA neglected to inform you about HAL's suggested dress code. Okay, those things happen.

 

However, on your second cruise, you knew what the dress code was, but intentionally flaunted it because of the amount of money your group was spending on the cruise.

 

And to top it off, even though your philosophy is basically that money hath its privileges, it is the other passengers on HAL who are "uppity."

 

Okay, got it.

[dachengdao]

Why can't people just mind their own darn business and have a nice vacation? To each his own! If someone is breaking a rule, leave it to the staff to address (or not). If you don't like the way someone is dressed, don't look at them. Why do you want to create drama when you're supposed to be relaxing?

[world~citizen]

...Betty,you post with such grace and class...

 

Seconded...

 

Smooth sailing...

[serendipity1499]

Why thank you Oceanwench & World-Citizen...Now you are embarrassing me!:o

Cheers...:)Betty

[RichNY]

Why thank you Oceanwench & World-Citizen...Now you are embarrassing me!:o

 

Cheers...:)Betty

 

 

Let me add to your embarrassment.......nice job..:D

[DizzyDallasDi]

Hello Toyotaford,

 

I was not on your cruise but if i were, and a whole group of people insisted dining in the main dining room on a formal night without so much as sport coats on, you can bet I would have said something. My comment would probably have been to the effect of "Didn't you bother to learn about the dress code on this ship. On formal nights gentlemen are expected to wear coats and ties at a minimum." And my comments would not have been spoken softly.

 

:eek::eek::eek:

 

Well, bless your heart.

[TracieABD]

:eek::eek::eek:

 

Well, bless your heart.

:):cool::)

[iancal]

I too am a major fan of MYOB. When we are on vacation we don't really care what others are doing....we are too busy enjoying our vacation. Our experience is that that there are far too many busybody fashion experts on this forum. This is completely opposite to what our experience has been on board with many cruise lines and many ships. Just relax, and chill out. After all, it is only a cruise.

[sparky-elpaso]

So let me see if I understand your position correctly:

 

On your first cruise you were dressed inappropriately for formal night because your TA neglected to inform you about HAL's suggested dress code. Okay, those things happen.

 

However, on your second cruise, you knew what the dress code was, but intentionally flaunted it because of the amount of money your group was spending on the cruise.

 

And to top it off, even though your philosophy is basically that money hath its privileges, it is the other passengers on HAL who are "uppity."

 

Okay, got it.

 

I wonder how many times he says, "Do you know who I am?"

[maxout]

"We have not sailed with HAL since bringing our groups to Alaska and do not have any plans on doing so."

 

Well, Bless your heart!

 

Thanks for doing us both a kindness...

[Copper10-8]

A spinning bow tie would add a nice touch...:D

 

Good one! :)

[RuthC]

I wouldn't use the word "accosted", but a comment was made to me. My grandgirl and I were in the elevator, heading up to dinner on a smart casual night. We weren't overdressed. Naturally, we had changed out of daytime casual, and were perhaps closer to the "informal" end of smart casual. Someone, clearly in daytime wear, entered the elevator, and made notice of "how dressed" we were.

My grandgirl commented simply that we like to look nice.

I love that kid. :D