Should HAL prohibit power scooters?

[esther e]

How about a cruise banning all scooters, wheelchairs, canes, kids, anyone from the age of 60 and up, anyone from the age of 30 and down, anyone who drinks too much, all smokers, anyone who doesn't dress to code and all chair hogs. Have I forgotten anyone?:p

[CowPrincess]

How about a cruise banning all scooters, wheelchairs, canes, kids, anyone from the age of 60 and up, anyone from the age of 30 and down, anyone who drinks too much, all smokers, anyone who doesn't dress to code and all chair hogs. Have I forgotten anyone?:p

 

 

:D Snorers and people who wear bathrobes to the pool. Oh, and Speedo wearers :)

[babyher]

Man there are going to be some Ghost ships sailing the high seas after all these bans *LOL*

[Okie1946]

Remember, if all 'scooter cruisers' had their druthers, I am sure that to a man/woman, each and every one would prefer not to have to use one.

 

john

 

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[mamaofami]

I am a newcomer to a travel scoot. I can walk short distances, but got it because the walk in the airport to the gate and from where the ships dock to the taxi pick up areas is something I can't do. I could however, get off my scooter if parked near a new stand, get a paper and an ice cream, but I'd be using a cane to do that. One thing a scooter rider should keep in mind, is they should follow the flow of traffic and not try to push in front of anyone. Sometimes it's hard to go very slowly, but it's doable and necessary if you don't want to run anyone over.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Heather,you could have been describing my father in the final days of his illness. He had a lung disorder which allowed him to walk a short distance but he needed a scooter or wheelchair assistance to do anything else. I am sure he would have been able to walk over to the newstand but he never would have made it through the airport and down the jetway and on the plane without gasping for air.

 

He looked perfectly healthy and he sometimes got the "look" when he used a handicapped parking spot.

 

I have learned never to judge what a person is or is not capable of and if I see someone in a wheelchair I take it at face value.

 

Totally agree. That could have been my DH that Heather was talking about. Please don't be so quick to judge. My husband simply cannot walk up any slopes or any distance, and requires wheelchair assistance for boarding a plane or ship. But he can go a short distance on the level, though will likely be hurting and breathless.

 

First, I am judging no one. I absolutely understand more than some that a person can appear to be perfectly able bodied, but can't walk long distances.

 

What I referred to in my post was a man who for whatever reason required a wheelchair from the airport entry to the gate. I don't question that for a moment. However, once at the gate, he got up from his chair and walked to the newstand where he walked about, bought some magazines, etc.

 

He then walked to an ice cream stand several feet from there and bought a cone. He walked back to his chair in the priority lane and sat down. He was not winded or breathless. He was then wheeled onto the plane.

 

If a person can do the walking that this man did, he could without question walk the short distance down the jetway.

[Clamshell]

I have no problems with scooters, wheel chairs, walkers, canes or any other mobility devices. I've never seen a person with such a device screaming at the top of their lungs (hmmm... as children do)

 

I do have a problem with people filling up their plates to what could fit in a gallon size zip lock bag and then throw most of it in the trash. Nearly any cruise I've been on could feed a city of dumpster divers for a week.

 

I also have problems with cruise lines charging for drinks and giving free food to the people in the last paragraph. Booze is cheap, yet they charge an ungodly markup with little to no waste.

 

Charge for food, give away the booze!! Drinkers get the munchies. and would be happy to pay for food!!!

 

Clamshell

[NMLady]

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Wheelchairs are fine, pushers are available.

 

Are you volunteering to push my husband if he uses a wheelchair instead of a scooter?? Using a scooter means he's independent and can go to the activities he wants to go to while I do the ones I'm interested in.

 

It also means I don't have to have muscles enough to push his 250 lbs,

lifting over 'bumps' or small ledges. A scooter gives both of us a more enjoyable cruise than a wheelchair would.

[bepsf]

If the Scooters were banned that could be a violation of ADA

American with Disability Requirements.

 

Last time I checked, Foreign-Flagged ships don't have to comply with that just because they have US Passengers and sail from US ports.

[HeatherInFlorida]

Okay ... here's what we need to do:D.

 

Based on my 7 or so years here on CC, we need to ban, bannish and/or put an end to all the following in no particular order:

 

Scooters

Old people

Walkers and canes

Children

Smokers

Non smokers

Drinkers

Non drinkers

Overweight people

Teens

Cellphones

Traditional Dining

As You Wish Dining

Shorts

Formal Night

Bathrobes at the pool

Chair hoggers

Plate Pilers

Rude people

Judgemental people

 

I'm sure there's lots more I'm forgetting, but those were right off the top of my head.

[maxout]

Last time I checked, Foreign-Flagged ships don't have to comply with that just because they have US Passengers and sail from US ports.

 

Brian, check post #60 it says most of this...

 

 

To answer, yes, the US Supreme Court ruled in June of 2005, that cruise ships must comply with the ADA. Now, there are some limitations to this ruling, as issued by Justice Kennedy. Cruise lines must make their ships accessible but only to the extent that complying does not provide undue hardship to the cruise line in terms of cash outlay (meaning if it costs too much they don't have to do it on existing ships), if changing things lessens overall passenger safety or if modifications force a major change in the basic design of the ship.

 

In June of 2010, the US Department of Transportation issued a "rule", not a law, that says all cruise ships must comply with the ADA, including, but not limited to, forcing a disabled passenger to bring a travel companion, forcing a disabled person to pay more for their cabin, and requiring a doctor's letter describing the disability. Now, this is just a Federal rule and not a law, which gives cruise lines some wriggle room.

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[esther e]

:D:D:D Heather, I think you have it pretty much covered. Except, what about bleached blonds? Bald men with rugs?

[xxoocruiser]

Last time I checked, Foreign-Flagged ships don't have to comply with that just because they have US Passengers and sail from US ports.

 

Aparently you last checked prior to 2005. This was all posted in #50 days ago.

 

The case of Spector v. Norwegian Cruise Line filed back in 2000 was the driving force for by the US Supreme Court making this ruling. On Monday June 6, 2005 the USA Supreme Courted Ruled Foreign-flagged cruise ships serving US ports must comply with the public accommodations requirements of the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).

 

The USA Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that cruise lines operating in US waters must take reasonable steps to make their ships accessible to all passengers - including those who use wheelchairs and electric scooters.

[esther e]

In March we cruised on NCL because it was very convenient to our home and we desperately needed a week away. The first night out was very rough and my husband was quite nervous with only a cane. Our butler called someone who showed up with a wheelchair and brought us to the dining room, and when we finished dinner another steward wheeled him back to the room. I would never have thought of this and just passing it on to anyone who might need this on any ship.

[donaldsc]

Okay ... here's what we need to do:D.

 

Based on my 7 or so years here on CC, we need to ban, bannish and/or put an end to all the following in no particular order:

 

Scooters

Old people

Walkers and canes

Children

Smokers

Non smokers

Drinkers

Non drinkers

Overweight people

Teens

Cellphones

Traditional Dining

As You Wish Dining

Shorts

Formal Night

Bathrobes at the pool

Chair hoggers

Plate Pilers

Rude people

Judgemental people

 

I'm sure there's lots more I'm forgetting, but those were right off the top of my head.

 

You left off fat or old people wearing either speedos or bikinis.

 

DON

[kazu]

Okay ... here's what we need to do:D.

 

Based on my 7 or so years here on CC, we need to ban, bannish and/or put an end to all the following in no particular order:

 

Scooters

Old people

Walkers and canes

Children

Smokers

Non smokers

Drinkers

Non drinkers

Overweight people

Teens

Cellphones

Traditional Dining

As You Wish Dining

Shorts

Formal Night

Bathrobes at the pool

Chair hoggers

Plate Pilers

Rude people

Judgemental people

 

I'm sure there's lots more I'm forgetting, but those were right off the top of my head.

 

Love it Heather - but of course there will be barely any threads on the boards ;) As to the issue - may all those who care able to cruise and enjoy it, enjoy it :D If they need scooters so be it:) and if they are lucky enough to be able to walk, thank whichever God you choose to worship for the blessing of being able to use your legs :)

[robertmnch]

:mad:

Scooters are for streets, not ships.

 

For shopping, not sailing.

 

Wheelchairs are fine, pushers are available.

 

JMO

 

What an INSULT to all Users of Motor Scooters! I'm a Disabled Veteran caused by the Vietnam War so you could be FREE!

Now, we have Veterans coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan minus a leg(s) or arm(s)!

 

When is the last time you visited a VA Hospital? Why don't you volunteer to push these men and women around a VA Hospital?:confused:

 

There are lot's of Land Vacations you could take in the Caribbean, and NOT be bothered by Scooters!:mad:

 

 

Try one, you just might like it!:eek:

[Okie1946]

You left off fat or old people wearing either speedos or bikinis.

Based on my 7 or so years here on CC, we need to ban, bannish and/or put an end to all the following in no particular order:

 

Scooters

Old people

Walkers and canes

Children

Smokers

Non smokers

Drinkers

Non drinkers

Overweight people

Teens

Cellphones

Traditional Dining

As You Wish Dining

Shorts

Formal Night

Bathrobes at the pool

Chair hoggers

Plate Pilers

Rude people

Judgemental people

 

 

DON

 

Also missed

 

skinny people who look down their nose at people not like them

Previous Cruises:

Alaska - Westerdam - September 2009

Alaska- Rotterdam - September 2010

Mexican Riveria - Oosterdam - April 2011

 

Future Cruises – in planning stage:

September -2012 - Alaska – Amsterdam - 14 days Explorer

2013 - Eastern Med - 28 day (includes cruising Black Sea)

[Hlitner]

:mad:

 

What an INSULT to all Users of Motor Scooters! I'm a Disabled Veteran caused by the Vietnam War so you could be FREE!

Now, we have Veterans coming home from Iraq and Afghanistan minus a leg(s) or arm(s)!

 

When is the last time you visited a VA Hospital? Why don't you volunteer to push these men and women around a VA Hospital?:confused:

 

There are lot's of Land Vacations you could take in the Caribbean, and NOT be bothered by Scooters!:mad:

 

 

Try one, you just might like it!:eek:

 

I think you said it all. Thanks for your service and I hope to meet you someday on a cruise ship (with your scooter).

 

Hank

USAF DaNang (70-71)

[patde44]

I would say, "ABSOLUTELY NOT" to a scooter ban on cruise ships. But, we must recognize that, just as not all able-bodied individuals are polite, the same is true of those needing to use power scooters. Some scooter drivers are just plain rude; but some auto drivers are just plain rude, as well. On a recent cruise, a fellow passenger, repeatedly, raced through the public areas as if she was the only one on the ship. I'm sure that she was just as rude prior to needing the scooter. Its use doesn't transform a personality!

 

A question: Since ADA is AMERICAN Disabilities Act & nearly all cruise ships sail under a non-US flag, would it even apply to cruise ship regulations?

[uppitycats]

I would say, "ABSOLUTELY NOT" to a scooter ban on cruise ships. But, we must recognize that, just as not all able-bodied individuals are polite, the same is true of those needing to use power scooters. Some scooter drivers are just plain rude; but some auto drivers are just plain rude, as well. On a recent cruise, a fellow passenger, repeatedly, raced through the public areas as if she was the only one on the ship. I'm sure that she was just as rude prior to needing the scooter. Its use doesn't transform a personality!

 

A question: Since ADA is AMERICAN Disabilities Act & nearly all cruise ships sail under a non-US flag, would it even apply to cruise ship regulations?

 

Yes it would. Go back and read through this thread. I think it's around post 50 or so...the US Supreme Court ruled that it does apply.

[xxoocruiser]

A question: Since ADA is AMERICAN Disabilities Act & nearly all cruise ships sail under a non-US flag, would it even apply to cruise ship regulations?

 

 

If you had bothered to scroll back to post #50 and post #188 you would have read that the Americans Disabilities Act does apply to non-US Flagged Ships.

 

The case of Spector v. Norwegian Cruise Line filed back in 2000 was the driving force for by the US Supreme Court making this ruling. On Monday June 6, 2005 the USA Supreme Courted Ruled Foreign-flagged cruise ships serving US ports must comply with the public accommodations requirements of the Americans With Disabilities Act (ADA).

 

The USA Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that cruise lines operating in US waters must take reasonable steps to make their ships accessible to all passengers - including those who use wheelchairs and electric scooters.

[Gail & Marty sailing away]

The drivers do need to slow down. it is a ship not a big mall.

[babyher]

:D:D:D Heather, I think you have it pretty much covered. Except, what about bleached blonds? Bald men with rugs?

 

 

 

*LOL*

 

We have two of those right here in our office. One guy looks like he never took off his Davy Crokett coon skin cap from 1955 and the "Blonde" lets it go a little too long in between touch ups . She has blacker roots than Alex Haley.

 

 

You can add to the list" BAD FACE LIFTS " Some have that permanent "surprised look" and some are pulled so tight they look like they are trying out for "Flower Drum Song"

 

 

Who are these people fooling?

[G&G]

The drivers do need to slow down. it is a ship not a big mall.

 

I agree. As posted previously on this threadwe were on a cruise two years ago where a man on a scooter was escorted off the ship half way through the cruise in Panama City' date=' Panama for running into several passengers, injuring two. He had been warned and apparently ignored the warnings.[/size']