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Just in the early day dreaming phases of a cruise to Hawaii. I cruise mostly Royal Caribbean but I want a round trip cruise that doesn't originate or end in Hawaii. I originally had found a Carnival itinerary but I am leery of Carnival. I'm not worried about the type of crowd that would be on a long cruise, more worried about their food and entertainment cutbacks. I have never cruised Princess before.

 

I kind of stumbled upon the Princess itineraries. I've been to SF numerous times and it is a favorite city. LA I have only been to once. In regards to itinerary I have a SLIGHT preference to SF just because I like a sea day at the end of the cruise. I know the Ensenada stop is to satisfy foreign port visit requirements, but I feel somewhat unrelaxed with a port stop the day before debarkation. Then again, after 2 weeks I might not care at all.

 

Also, would be interested in to what I could expect:

A) On a Longer itinerary. Longest I have done is 9 day in the Caribbean; going on a 10 day this spring. I do love sea days to relax, but is there enough varied nightly entertainment?

B) Peoples opinions on how Princess compares to RCI

C) What ships you feel Grand or Star may be most comparable to with RCI for comparative purposes

D) For a 15 day trip, ignoring airfare and pre or post cruise travel; besides the cruise fare itself what is a reasonable or realistic budget range for a trip of this length. I generally think $100 per person, per day for each port stop but have NO experience with Hawaii and don't know if this is reasonable or not.

E) I am interested in signing up for the Bon Voyage Experience in Fort Lauderdale. What (if any) Princess ships sail from Port Everglades that are the same class or sisterships to Grand or Star?

 

Any other opinions, options, links to Hawaii cruise reviews, etc, are all very helpful. This is a trip that won't happen in the immediate future but I would like to start learning a bit more. :)

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I can't help comparing RCI to Princess but my first recommendation is to be on whatever Princess ship ELUA is on. They are a couple from the islands that have created a Hawaiian cultural program along with CD David Cole.

 

Hula, ukulele and lei making classes are just some of the activities available on this cruise. And from what I have heard recently they will be on the Grand Princess for the 2014-2015 Hawaii season,

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I'm glad to hear there is an enrichment and entertainment program based on the Hawaii itinerary! While I understand that a couple and a CD can only be on one ship at a time; I would imagine both ships do offer similar programs?

 

Finding anything culturally enriching aboard a cruise ship in the caribbean usually means being funneled to this diamond shop or that watch store; not for me. I'm going to search now for photo threads; a picture is worth 1000 words :)

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E) I am interested in signing up for the Bon Voyage Experience in Fort Lauderdale. What (if any) Princess ships sail from Port Everglades that are the same class or sisterships to Grand or Star?

 

Unfortuantely none. The original Grand-Class ships were all launched circa 1997-2001. They were the finest ships afloat at that time and (for my money anyway) still would be my first choice when considering Princess if they still sailed where I wanted to go. But Princess, like most lines, automatically deploys their newest ships to the Caribbean and Europe. Now that they have been deemed "too old" for those markets Grand, Golden and Star Princess will only sail the waters of Alaska, Hawaii and Mexico for the foreseeable future. To me it seems short-sighted of Princess to have each ship of a certain class all doing very similar itineraries, unlike (for example) Holland America which carefully spreads its ships around giving you a choice of size and features in each market.

 

EDIT: Sorry for drifting into rant mode. Now that I think about it Caribbean Princess--which is currently sailing from Houston but returning to Ft Lauderdale in Summer 2014--is mostly similar other than having an extra deck of cabins. The Casino is on Deck 7 rather than Deck 6, the buffet layout is different (Grand's buffet was completely redone in 2011 [star's recently as well] and is now very user-friendly) and Caribbean does not have a covered pool. Other than the above, more similar than different.

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Unfortuantely none. The original Grand-Class ships were all launched circa 1997-2001. They were the finest ships afloat at that time and (for my money anyway) still would be my first choice when considering Princess if they still sailed where I wanted to go.

 

 

Interesting. I'm unfamiliar with Princess ships but always like to learn more. I find the designs and engineering of ships to be fascinating.

 

To me it seems short-sighted of Princess to have each ship of a certain class all doing very similar itineraries, unlike (for example) Holland America which carefully spreads its ships around giving you a choice of size and features in each market.

 

You said it best; the big ships all congregate in South Florida for the winter and run similar itineraries with lots of overlap. Not even so much the number of ships, but the number of BERTHS Royal Caribbean has in South Florida is staggering. They ferry a LOT of people over to Nassau to go on car payment priced water slide excursions. Nassau is like someone dropped Trenton, NJ into the Caribbean. Holland America has it's big twins here running similar 7 day itineraries. Carnival ships; just shake a stick. Celebrity. Plenty of NCL ships in Miami. Disney but Disney prices (although they DO have a Miami to Cali repositioning Panama Canal cruise that is 15 days and only $1500; same as a 4 day Disney cruise is normally..., so I won't say never. The service is supposed to be outstanding)

 

It's economy of scale. Less ships, but larger ships with more berths brings down operating expense. Pack 'em in and hope they buy, buy, buy. Smaller ships (smaller?!?) go to less packed markets where they can command higher prices on less availability and either do longer distance cruises for the seasoned (often $$$) guests, or sometimes relegated to pulling the 3/4 day markets in. For ships that were world class 15 +/- years ago, probably don't even get a chance to see the ship in 3 days.

 

Can you direct me to any reviews / photo tours of these ships? Thanks.

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Just in the early day dreaming phases of a cruise to Hawaii. I cruise mostly Royal Caribbean but I want a round trip cruise that doesn't originate or end in Hawaii. I originally had found a Carnival itinerary but I am leery of Carnival. I'm not worried about the type of crowd that would be on a long cruise, more worried about their food and entertainment cutbacks. I have never cruised Princess before.

 

I kind of stumbled upon the Princess itineraries. I've been to SF numerous times and it is a favorite city. LA I have only been to once. In regards to itinerary I have a SLIGHT preference to SF just because I like a sea day at the end of the cruise. I know the Ensenada stop is to satisfy foreign port visit requirements, but I feel somewhat unrelaxed with a port stop the day before debarkation. Then again, after 2 weeks I might not care at all.

 

Also, would be interested in to what I could expect:

A) On a Longer itinerary. Longest I have done is 9 day in the Caribbean; going on a 10 day this spring. I do love sea days to relax, but is there enough varied nightly entertainment?

B) Peoples opinions on how Princess compares to RCI

C) What ships you feel Grand or Star may be most comparable to with RCI for comparative purposes

D) For a 15 day trip, ignoring airfare and pre or post cruise travel; besides the cruise fare itself what is a reasonable or realistic budget range for a trip of this length. I generally think $100 per person, per day for each port stop but have NO experience with Hawaii and don't know if this is reasonable or not.

E) I am interested in signing up for the Bon Voyage Experience in Fort Lauderdale. What (if any) Princess ships sail from Port Everglades that are the same class or sisterships to Grand or Star?

 

Any other opinions, options, links to Hawaii cruise reviews, etc, are all very helpful. This is a trip that won't happen in the immediate future but I would like to start learning a bit more. :)

 

Hello LMaxwell

We will be sailing on Grand out of S.F. on Saturday, for a Hawaii cruise , hope to do do a live from the Grand (Live Review) providing the internet cooperates.. stay tuned !!!

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Hello LMaxwell

We will be sailing on Grand out of S.F. on Saturday, for a Hawaii cruise , hope to do do a live from the Grand (Live Review) providing the internet cooperates.. stay tuned !!!

 

Am green with envy:D Will keep my eyes peeled, hoping of some photos; us young guys can't read anymore, we need shiny pictures. Love the screen name too. Have a great trip.

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I'm Elite on Princess and have taken several RCCL and Celebrity cruises. Elua will be on the Star Princess for the 2014 HI cruise season. (http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showpost.php?p=41035425&postcount=8)

 

Given a choice between the Grand and the Star, I would take the Star. I've been on both and my preference is the Star, even without taking ELUA into consideration. The ships are similar, the cabins similar, etc. but there are some differences. The Grand was the first ship in the design series and subsequent ships were modified (and, IMHO) improved. The Grand had Skywalkers removed last year due to design and weight flaws. The Star (and other Grand-class ships) has Skywalkers, a really nice, quiet place to relax during the day with great views and is a nightclub at night. Plus, the Star has ELUA. While the Grand has something similar, it's not quite the same.

 

Princess is similar but a notch above RCCL in terms of food and service. Entertainment is probably better on RCCL but that doesn't mean it's lacking on Princess. There aren't ice shows, climbing walls, flowriders, etc. Princess is more laid back and "escape completely." There are plenty of activities but not as many physically active options.

 

Princess pizza is the best at sea. Most Princess ships have an International Cafe which is free and open 24/7 with pastries, donuts, muffins, yoghurt, salads, sandwiches, paninis, etc. Princess ships, including dining rooms, are less "Wow!" as the interior space is designed with a lot of lounges and entertainment venues rather than one huge boardwalk. The dining rooms are 1-story and sectioned so you feel as though you're in a fine restaurant.

 

A couple of big differences between RCCL and Princess are that Princess allows TAs to discount cruise fares. If you use a TA who books a lot of Princess cruises, you can save 10-20% and get OBC and perks. One thing to know is that TAs can't advertise or promote discounts so you have to request a quote. If it's going to save you mucho $$$, it's worth the effort.

 

Another difference is that Princess allows OBC to be combined. If you get an OBC from your TA, own 100 shares of CCL in your portfolio so you can apply for a shareholder OBC, or are military or former military, it can all be combined. I usually get $450-550 in OBC per cruise in OBC, depending on the cabin and length of cruise.

 

The Star is one of the two Princess ships testing an all-inclusive beverage package (the Grand doesn't have one yet.) Cost is $49/pp/day for unlimited beverages up to a $10 value plus a 15% gratuity and all adults in the cabin must get it. Keep in mind that an unlimited fountain soda package on Princess is $5.17/pp/day (including the 15% gratuity) and an Ultimate package (unlimited soda, mocktails, smoothies, and juice) is $8.05/pp/day inclusive. Drinks on Princess are generally less expensive than RCCL. For instance, a Bloody Mary, mixed drink, Long Island Iced Tea, etc. are $5.50; a martini is about $7.

 

All Princess cabins have a mini-frig and the almost all (only excepting the small ships which have just a few) Princess ships have a self-serve laundry ($2/load) on every passenger deck.

 

The Princess buffet is not a straight line. Rather, food is by type or station so you can move around from one station to another. At first, it feels like chaos with people going in every direction but it works because you rarely have to wait to get something. The buffet is open continuously from 5:30am-11pm. A side might close during switch-over but you can get a full breakfast (including made to order omelets or fresh waffles) at 10:30am or a full lunch at 2:30pm if you come back late from a tour.

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We cruised twice last year - once on RCCL's Freedom (7-day) and once on Star (10-day) to Mexico. Plenty to do all day long on both. We found the food on Princess to be better, but the MDR service was far better on RCCL. We're on Grand to Hawaii in April which just came out of a dry dock freshening up, but there's not too much there that would affect your day-to-day cruise experience aside from the balcony mats. We would prefer to go on Star again but Grand sails right out our back door. We'd rather be on a ship with Elua as chipster said though.

 

You'll have plenty of things to keep you busy - that should be the least of your worries. Food is so subjective, it's hard to nail it down. Same goes with the crew - having a wonderful stateroom attendant and one waiter who's having a bad day, etc. You just never know.

 

Oh, and Pam is seriously serious about the pizza! It's so delicious :)

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A couple of big differences between RCCL and Princess are that Princess allows TAs to discount cruise fares. If you use a TA who books a lot of Princess cruises, you can save 10-20% and get OBC and perks. One thing to know is that TAs can't advertise or promote discounts so you have to request a quote. If it's going to save you mucho $$$, it's worth the effort.

 

Another difference is that Princess allows OBC to be combined. If you get an OBC from your TA, own 100 shares of CCL in your portfolio so you can apply for a shareholder OBC, or are military or former military, it can all be combined. I usually get $450-550 in OBC per cruise in OBC, depending on the cabin and length of cruise.

 

 

All Princess cabins have a mini-frig and the almost all (only excepting the small ships which have just a few)

 

Princess ships have a self-serve laundry ($2/load) on every passenger deck.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to share that detailed response. It is very, very helpful. The differences above are big differences from Royal. The first one is new to me; I did not know that TA's had wiggle room on Princess pricing. That could be the number one top tip I've learned on this board. Believe me, I will dial for dollars. :D

 

Also good to know that different OBC's are combinable whereas they are not on RCI.

 

Nice to know there is a fridge. Most RCI ships in regular cabins do not. I just sailed on my first balcony room and it had a fridge or cool box which was nice to have.

 

I WOULD have to fly to go to California and that means luggage. I think it is awesome that the ships have self-serve, and shockingly low cost laundry facilities. I could pack light and wash clothing. RCI laundry is expensive, limited what items they will take, and others have had issues getting back clothes that were in such strong soaps that the clothes came back faded. Right now I am driving distance to the ports, so I just take all the clothes I may need and then more. But if I have to pay for luggage on the plane I need to make it count.

 

To me a trip is like...you have to go somewhere. If I go to see family in the northeast and it's still winter (6 mos of the year it seems), that's a trip.

 

If I'm not at work and doing something I can't do at home and running all over a place doing stuff, but not a place that is particularly relaxing, that is a vacation. Like Disney. Disney's a fortune. But it's great. But you run around like a chicken with no head ALL DAY. No one goes back to the motel room to relax or make that part of the trip. That's where you collapse for 7 hours before you do it all again. Your wallet will beg for more than a 7 hour break.

 

So hearing the relaxed pace of Princess is appealing. Combined with the longer itinerary it sounds more like traveling than just taking a trip or a vacation. And a good way to unwind. I'm getting burned out on vacations where I come home bleary eyed and exhausted.

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We cruised twice last year - once on RCCL's Freedom (7-day) and once on Star (10-day) to Mexico.

 

Thanks for the rest of your input (edited down just for brevity). I am booked for Freedom of the Seas this October. (This! It's 2014. Woooo). Any other opinions or comparisons you may have regarding Freedom I am open to hearing as well. Have a great trip. Like I said, San Francisco is a favorite city of mine to visit; it's great you get to enjoy it all the time.

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I was on the Golden to Hawaii in February and the Star in November (both this year). The Grand (and Golden) has Window Suites which run about the same price as a mini, but with all the suite perks.

 

Taking all things into consideration, I did two cruises this year...all because of Dave Cole (CD) and ELUA (cultural ambassadors). I did speak to both of them at length on my last cruise. I was told that there will not be dedicated ships to Hawaii. What that meant was that the Star and the Grand would also be doing other itineraries, along with Hawaii, for the 2015 season. If you are considering this Spring, do it earlier rather than later. Neither of them will know what contract will be offered until the summer 2014 (or later).

 

Dave and Leialoha exudes the Aloha spirit. Their hula and ukulele lessons are great. Their performances are wonderful. Dave Cole has adopted the islands. He puts on great port talks and a terrific history of the Monarchy. I am looking forward to another cruise when he complete his lecture on annexation.

 

I love the sea days. There isn't enough days on the 4 island, but just to give you a taste. Each of those days will be packed if you want to maximize your visit.

 

Displace local girl

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Also, would be interested in to what I could expect:

A) On a Longer itinerary. Longest I have done is 9 day in the Caribbean; going on a 10 day this spring. I do love sea days to relax, but is there enough varied nightly entertainment?

 

Any other opinions, options, links to Hawaii cruise reviews, etc, are all very helpful. This is a trip that won't happen in the immediate future but I would like to start learning a bit more. :)

 

Look at this thread: http://cruiseforums.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1891200

It takes forever to read (very detailed). He started the review (in installments) in August and still hasn't finished.;) Lots of pix, info about places to visit in HI, pix of the ship and food.

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We have cruised 3 times to Hawaii from the west coast, and loved each cruise.

All the others have given excellent advice.

We are planning our 2015 Hawaii cruise and I am shocked to find 1 ONE sailing from LA and one from SF.

 

I ordinarily book at least a year in advance because I want a certain location, cabin class, etc. I use a TA who books extensive PCL cruises and we get pretty good discounts. If there is a price drop later ( rarely on the Hawaii cruises), she will adjust it for me.

 

I have some health issues, so for me, the ship is a destination in itself.

I dislike the mega ships, but on a long cruise I want something to do on sea days. PCL ships are about right.

Just as an aside, our favorite ship was RCI's Radiance of the Seas. :)

 

Cabins are also important to us because I have to rest a lot. PCL cabins aren't the largest we have had, but they have an awesome closet arrangement with plenty of room, even for golf clubs., which DH did bring on our last Hawaii cruise.

 

The food is pretty good. We are 'foodies', so that matters to us. PCL goes above and beyond in accommodating dietary requests.

Also, the International Café (IC) is a great place to get sandwiches, salads, pastries, specialty coffee. It is usually on deck 5 Atrium. We hang out there on sea days playing cards, having a coffee, or just watching people.

 

The indoor movie theater is also a draw for us.

 

I don't think you will be sorry to book PCL for Hawaii, but book early. :)

 

Pat

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Just in the early day dreaming phases of a cruise to Hawaii. I cruise mostly Royal Caribbean but I want a round trip cruise that doesn't originate or end in Hawaii. I originally had found a Carnival itinerary but I am leery of Carnival. I'm not worried about the type of crowd that would be on a long cruise, more worried about their food and entertainment cutbacks. I have never cruised Princess before.

 

I kind of stumbled upon the Princess itineraries. I've been to SF numerous times and it is a favorite city. LA I have only been to once. In regards to itinerary I have a SLIGHT preference to SF just because I like a sea day at the end of the cruise. I know the Ensenada stop is to satisfy foreign port visit requirements, but I feel somewhat unrelaxed with a port stop the day before debarkation. Then again, after 2 weeks I might not care at all.

 

Also, would be interested in to what I could expect:

A) On a Longer itinerary. Longest I have done is 9 day in the Caribbean; going on a 10 day this spring. I do love sea days to relax, but is there enough varied nightly entertainment? Lots of activities each day and evening including production shows and guest entertainers in the two show lounges, game shows, theme nights and dancing in Explorer's lounge, soft ballroom dancing to live music in the Wheelhouse Bar, piano man entertainer in Crooner's, and late night DJ in Skywalker's (Star) or Club 15 (Grand).

B) Peoples opinions on how Princess compares to RCI A little less in your face, lots of free choices for dining, not so may announcements, no rock walls or surf riders, but the lines are more the same than different.

C) What ships you feel Grand or Star may be most comparable to with RCI for comparative purposes, The ships were the same when built and are almost the same now, with 2,600 passengers. We have been on both. Other than Alfredo's (you can still get pizza by the slice on the Star) on the Grand the dry dock changes to the Star, to my way of thinking were better, including a larger main pool deck. The Star is newer.

D) For a 15 day trip, ignoring airfare and pre or post cruise travel; besides the cruise fare itself what is a reasonable or realistic budget range for a trip of this length. I generally think $100 per person, per day for each port stop but have NO experience with Hawaii and don't know if this is reasonable or not. Sea days depends on how much you drink and how much you use the Spa. If you plan to take any port excursions the cost will be more than $100/port/pp in Hawaii. There are lots of private tours arranged through the roll calls and Princess also runs lots of tours. Check the Princess website to get an idea.

E) I am interested in signing up for the Bon Voyage Experience in Fort Lauderdale. What (if any) Princess ships sail from Port Everglades that are the same class or sisterships to Grand or Star? The sister ships are the Grand, Golden and Star and they are all on the west coast. From Ft. Lauderdale the closest in design would be the Caribbean Princess, Ruby Princess or Emerald Princess, with the Caribbean a little closer in design than the others. However all of these three ship's public areas are similar to the Grand/Star, but there are differences like no indoor pool on these ships. Check the deck plans on line.

 

Any other opinions, options, links to Hawaii cruise reviews, etc, are all very helpful. This is a trip that won't happen in the immediate future but I would like to start learning a bit more. Read through the roll call for the trip you are thinking about, read through the port reviews here on CC.

:)

 

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Hula, ukulele and lei making classes are just some of the activities available on this cruise. And from what I have heard recently they will be on the Grand Princess for the 2014-2015 Hawaii season,[/size][/i][/b]

 

Hi. Can you tell me where you heard that? I am hoping they will be on the Grand in the Fall, bu t last I heard from Dave, they didn't't know yet.

 

I too highly recommend traveling to Hawaii with Elua if you can. We have done it three times over the past 10 years, and would hate for them not to be there when we go. You will have a wonderful time on either ship. When there are lots of sea days they always have so much to do.

 

As for the last stop in Ensenada, if you decide to go out of LA, you can just stay on the ship, which is what we do. We love this itinerary, and Hawaii. Once you book your cruise, be sure to join your roll call, found on these boards and you can plan private tours, or car rentals together.

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...Pam, (and many others), provided outstanding information. Just wanted to ask if you have prior military service. As Pam said, you'll get OBC on Princess. On RCCL, military discounts are...limited. (We love both Princess and RCCL.)

 

If you have prior military service, make sure to submit your DD214 (call Princess. I was instructed to fax mine once and the OBC is automatically added on subsequent cruises...great perk). For the 14 or 15-day Hawaii cruises..........you'll receive a $250 OBC. :)

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We are booked on the Star next Christmas/New Year's round trip from SF to Hawaii. We are looking forward to it! Previously we did the Golden from LA with Elua, but that was in 2009.

 

Another difference between Princess and RCCL is that Princess does not require you to reserve seats in the main theatre for shows. You can just walk in. Generally if you want close seats, you will have to get there 30-ish minutes in advance, and if you arrive 10 minutes before showtime you will be in the back. It's been a long time since I sailed RCCL (although I love Celebrity) and I felt that RCCL was a bit too much 'nickel-and-dime' for us. I was also disappointed with the lack of passenger participation on formal nights. On RCCL we were the only ones in tuxes, and many people didn't bother at all. On Princess, about 20%-25% are in tuxes, with most others in some kind of dressy clothing. This makes a big difference for us. (although I know that others feel differently ;) )

 

Princess also does not have an upcharge for steaks in the MDR, and allows you to go straight to your cabin when you board, even if you are onboard before noon.

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This isn't going to be popular on this site, but I think that Elua is over rated. I thought they were just OK. Granted, I don't know who to compare them to, but I don't know why this board loves them so much. I wouldn't base my cruise on them being on it or not. I've been told uke, hula and lei making are on all the cruises...NOT just the ones with Elua. Going on another cruise in Feb which they will NOT be on. Will update my thoughts on the new people/person.

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This isn't going to be popular on this site, but I think that Elua is over rated. I thought they were just OK. Granted, I don't know who to compare them to, but I don't know why this board loves them so much. I wouldn't base my cruise on them being on it or not. I've been told uke, hula and lei making are on all the cruises...NOT just the ones with Elua. Going on another cruise in Feb which they will NOT be on. Will update my thoughts on the new people/person.

 

For us, it's their kindness and patience when teaching any if the things they teach. They are both so personable. Need a little extra help? they are right there.

I enjoy their postings on Facebook, brings hi a but closer while getting ready for the next hi cruise.

There are a couple of reviews about the other duo..and they also appear nice. But we really enjoy the music played and sang by ELUA and the teachings.

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We've done this itinerary out of LA three times,the first time before Elua was hired. I can definitely say they added a whole new layer with their program. Took the series of hula classes on the two last cruises. Even had a brief moment to talk to them during an elevator ride and they seemed very genuine.

 

We actually got off our last cruise exactly a year and a day ago and here's my write up with a ton of photos: http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1763342&highlight=aloha.

 

We were on the Golden, which is the sister ship to the Grand (with a few differences such as Skywalkers being removed from the latter).

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