Is this just lip service about dress codes?

[TominNC]

 

Be sure to bring your finest formal wear. After all times never change

[LMaxwell]

Per your request and RCIs website under FAQs. Rules and suggested are not referenced. Don't shoot the messenger. :evilsmile:

 

Q: What are the dress codes onboard?

A: Onboard Dress Code

Smart Casual: Ladies: Skirt or pants (no holes, rips or tears) with a blouse. Gentlemen: Pants (no holes, rips or tears) with a collared shirt.

 

Formal: Ladies: Cocktail dress or pantsuit. Gentlemen: Suit (black tie is optional)

 

Note: Swimsuits, robes, bare feet, tank tops, baseball caps and pool wear are not allowed in the main restaurants or specialty restaurants. T-shirts, shorts and flip-flops are acceptable for lunch.

 

Note: Smart Casual is allowed on Boarding Day at The Grande Restaurant (should only be included where we are speaking about The Grande)

 

That's so outdated it's about to get its senior discount :')

[RocketMan275]

We belong to a private club. It's a wonderful place to spend the evening with dinner, drinks, good music and dancing. We have our table for the whole evening without being rushed out so someone else can have our table.

Our dress code is not "suggested". You adhere by it or you don't get in....period. We have an alternate venue for those who don't want to follow the "rules" that we agreed to when we joined the club or, don't want to dress up, (I'm not suggesting that on the ship).

 

That is the difference to me concerning the MDR.,"Suggested vs "rules" Royal has set the bar, or lowered it, take it how you want it. I have no issue with folks that want to dress more casual.

 

We also belong to one of the largest country clubs in our state. There are two rooms with dining. One is golf attire including shorts. The other requires a tie. Guess which one is deserted and which one is full?

 

We used to have a formal dining area where coat and tie was required. It had a special menu that could not be ordered elsewhere. It also had it's own special formal bar. That died about 20 years ago.

[davekathy]

That's so outdated it's about to get its senior discount :')

 

No kidding! :rolleyes: It is what it is. The poster I answered asked where on Royal's web site is the term 'dress code' used.

[TexCruise371]

We also belong to one of the largest country clubs in our state. There are two rooms with dining. One is golf attire including shorts. The other requires a tie. Guess which one is deserted and which one is full?

 

We used to have a formal dining area where coat and tie was required. It had a special menu that could not be ordered elsewhere. It also had it's own special formal bar. That died about 20 years ago.

 

I don't doubt that a bit. :)

[Mack704]

Per your request and RCIs website under FAQs. Rules and suggested are not referenced. Don't shoot the messenger. :evilsmile:

 

Q: What are the dress codes onboard?

A: Onboard Dress Code

Smart Casual: Ladies: Skirt or pants (no holes, rips or tears) with a blouse. Gentlemen: Pants (no holes, rips or tears) with a collared shirt.

 

Formal: Ladies: Cocktail dress or pantsuit. Gentlemen: Suit (black tie is optional)

 

Note: Swimsuits, robes, bare feet, tank tops, baseball caps and pool wear are not allowed in the main restaurants or specialty restaurants. T-shirts, shorts and flip-flops are acceptable for lunch.

 

Note: Smart Casual is allowed on Boarding Day at The Grande Restaurant (should only be included where we are speaking about The Grande)

 

I stand corrected. Yes, it is a rather an ancient FAC and answer. But the fact remains, it's still on the web site. I'll shut up now. 😐

 

Harvey

[teddie]

Some things never change.

 

I haven't cruised for the last four years, and will finally be cruising RCI again in the fall. Coming back here, the same arguments continue; the same rationales, defenses, "I paid for it, I do what I want" mentality, ad nauseum. If I am in a nice venue, I like to dress for the occasion. I find it pretty easy to do.

 

Some may find it interesting that I feel that showing up in attire outside of the suggestions offered in the Cruise Compass is insulting to the waitstaff, who work hard to make a positive experience, especially on formal night. Some I am sure won't care about that one bit.

[kezrarayne]

You seem to forget that it is THEIR SHIP! When it is your ship you can make the rules, I think that as long as they own the ship they should get to make the rules! All of you that only know how to dress like you are going to clean out a cow barn should be ashamed that you never learned to dress properly!

 

 

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Speaking of never learning things, did your mama not teach you manners? Just because you don't like how someone dresses or you disapprove of their choice of dress to do something as menial as eating does not give you the right to insult them. Don't like how they're dressed? Don't look. And who exactly are you to say they aren't dressed properly? You definitely don't look like the fashion police and it is completely up to the line to enforce its policies if it chooses. I agree that there is some respect to be shown specifically in a formal dining room and that can easily be done by dressing nicer, but It's disrespectful and downright rude to make the condescending comments you have. They're money spent on that cruise is just as good as yours. You should be ashamed of your behaviour and I would hope that your comments are a case of keyboard warrior and not something you would say to someone's face. I'm ashamed for you.

 

 

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[AbeFroman2]

it's easy to see both sides of this discussion, but speaking for the infrequent cruiser, I think the frustrating thing are the inconsistencies.

 

I cruised often with my grandmother between 2005-2010 before she passed, and she demanded that formal night equaled jacket, shirt and tie, and any other night was shirt and tie, and at that time, most people also dressed that way, which was great.

 

On my first sailing since then at the end of Feb., there was probably a 60/40 split in terms of those that dressed up and those that did not, which is fine: To each their own. But, I think many inexperienced cruisers might splurge to hit the dress codes with dry cleaning, new purchases, and what not, only to find out that their fellow passengers already knew it wasn't needed.

 

Personally, I have no issue with passengers choosing their own dress. After all, it's their vacation as much as it is mine. That said, I believe the ships should make their rules, whatever they are, and enforce them, that way all know what is expected, and what isn't, and can make their choices from there. It used to be this way, but it's seemed to go away as things like my time dining -- which we absolutely loved -- were introduced.

[DesrtDrmr]

According to the video shorts are officially ok but I rather keep wearing jeans at the MDR

 

 

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Ah, you have that exquisite taste in formal dress....

 

 

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[davekathy]

...All I've seen in recent years from Royal in regards to dress on their ships is the term 'suggested dress'.

 

In addition, any maitre d' who allows any mode of dress into the MDR is not in defiance of the dress code or rule, because there is none. Only suggested dress.

Am I right?

 

Harvey

 

You are correct. The Cruise Compass states "Tonight's Dinner Dress Suggestion..."

[TC1957]

I constantly see two themes from people who cherish dressing formally (my interpretation of the postings):

 

1) Those dressing casually diminish their experience and should, on those nights, relegate themselves to the Windjammer.

 

2) People who do not dress formally on the appropriate nights are boorish and "trailer trash" and will likely show themselves to be rude, brash and inconsiderate.

 

My thoughts on those two themes are:

 

1) The only person on the planet that has an impact on your mood or that can impact your dining experience is the one staring back at you when you look in the mirror. If you cannot enjoy a meal because you caught a glimpse of someone taking a seat at a table next to the railing on the deck above where you are dining then perhaps you should keep your hoity toity rear end in your cabin and enjoy your meal there. I promise you that is the only way to be certain some back-woods Neanderthal won't ruin your evening.

 

2) Putting a tux or gown on a Jackarse doesn't turn them into Secretariat.

[Biker19]

That's so outdated it's about to get its senior discount :')

Not really, since it mentioned Grande, it's only about 2.5 years old - when Quantum came out.

[cruzinlisa]

The problem is that the underdressed people are much more likely to be boorish and rude and not mind raising a stink. The well dressed are more likely to be sophisticated and polite enough to take it in stride publically. So it's asymmetric warfare unfortunately.

 

It is a good thing you don't stereotype people. :rolleyes:

I have seen plenty of well dressed people think the world owes them something and raise H**l to get what they want. So let's not go there.

 

Back to the topic- The thing about dress codes is, the people that NEED this are the people that aren't really paying attention. For instance in your typical office environment (or even public school), most of the things that are prohibited, they should not even have to say it (What do you mean this cute Budweiser shirt is not appropriate for my 3rd grader to wear?). But sometimes they have to. Common sense should dictate if something is see through, showing off body parts that are generally covered in public, is dirty or torn, you should not wear it to dinner. If you wear something totally inappropriate, it can impact the ambiance and is a bit distracting. But if you are wearing shorts and a polo or jeans to dinner, I don't really care. That does not impact my meal.

 

People who are dress code police like to pretend that there are tons of these people that are dressed outlandishly. But in reality, there are just a few. I think most (even those who don't care what others wear) would agree that the man on formal night wearing a pit stained white tank top (affectionately known by some as a "beater") who has tufts of chest hair hanging out and cut off shorts that barely cover what needs to be covered should be escorted to the buffet (or given a room service menu). But in reality most people are not dressed that way.

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[LMaxwell]

Not really, since it mentioned Grande, it's only about 2.5 years old - when Quantum came out.

 

Since DD doesn't exist anymore it's still pretty outdated.

 

Lmaxwell, who usually views Biker as someone who gets it without needing to be explicitly literal. ;)

[brabrant10]

On anthem July 2016 -was indicated that Grande was formal -the guys in our party arrived with shirt - khakis -sandals and the restaurant gave them dinner jackets to wear -so I guess as long as you look dressed above the table line [emoji3]

 

 

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[brabrant10]

Lol on this same cruise at restaurant Giovanni-a guy was fussing & creating a disturbance at the entrance -he was finally seated & I wasn't concerned that he was wearing a tee shirt -it bothered me that he kept his hat on the entire time ?? -I know none of my business!

 

 

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[jenmouse]

We have always dressed up on our cruises - our sons were wearing tuxes on formal night at eight years old. We never wear shorts or t-shirts to dinner.

Having said that, if you look in the comments below the video, someone says that they have never worn shorts in the MDR, but have seen others do it. The official response, from RCI (verified as them) is "It's all about preference. It's your vacation, so we want you to be comfortable."

So while I understand everyone who wants the ambiance of fine dining, and likes to dress up, RCI has said that we don't have to. That response was eight hours ago, so I am going to say it is the most up to date word on dress code.

[RocketMan275]

On anthem July 2016 -was indicated that Grande was formal -the guys in our party arrived with shirt - khakis -sandals and the restaurant gave them dinner jackets to wear -so I guess as long as you look dressed above the table line [emoji3]

 

 

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There were also reports that often jackets were in short supply. Passengers were instructed to just carry them over their arms to the table where the waiter took the jackets back to the entrance for others to carry to their tables.

[BekkaW]

Could someone please show me, in Royal Caribbean's current literature, or on Royal's web site where the term 'dress code' is used?

 

Or could someone show me where the word 'rule' is used by Royal in reference to what mode of dress one should subscribe to in any venue, at any time, on their cruise ships?

 

If you can't, that would render any post making any reference to dress on Royal Caribbean using either the term 'dress code' or the word 'rule' moot.

 

All I've seen in recent years from Royal in regards to dress on their ships is the term 'suggested dress'.

 

In addition, any maitre d' who allows any mode of dress into the MDR is not in defiance of the dress code or rule, because there is none. Only suggested dress.

 

Am I right?

 

Harvey

 

 

These are my observations getting off Voyager this morning...there is indeed a suggested dress, which is a style (formal or casual). BUT there are also minimum dress rules, which were printed in the compass and displayed on a sign at the entrance to the MDR. These rules were no ball caps, no swimwear and no shorts (shorts allowed at lunch). These were clearly expresssed as a requirement not an option, and I did see some enforcement. It varied though - I saw people asked to remove caps, but ladies were allowed in wearing shorts. I didn't see any men in shorts.

[Mikew0805]

As I expected I got a snarky response. Why is the idea that people with no class should at least be confronted with that fact and urged to improve themselves, even temporally, seen as a "bad" thing? Why is it becoming accepted that people with no class should be allowed to go on about their business making things lower and lower class while those who were raised with some manners, courtesy and respect for others should sequester themselves in their homes?

 

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LMFAO! Those tossing around the word class should at least be able to spell, and use grammar appropriately.

[bUU]

That not withstanding, the reality is that attire has changed continually throughout history. Those who refuse to accept the changes as they occur have less standing than those who buck the contemporary standard. At least the latter have history on their side and are playing a role in progress, whether we like it or not. With regard to the dress code police, their casting​ of aspersions on others is without a doubt a far worse transgression: judgmentalism in the context of personal fiat. Some would call that a sin.

[grand isle joe]

That not withstanding, the reality is that attire has changed continually throughout history.

 

 

 

 

...........Tell me about it. I have this room filled with powdered wigs and knickers and sit here hoping they come back in style like bell bottoms...................:loudcry:

[jalpert]

Just my 2 cents, formal nights don't exist on cruise ships. Sometimes they make people play dress up, but there is nothing formal about putting a tablecloth under lukewarm banquet quality food.

 

My local chineese restaurant puts down table cloths for dinner, there is literally nothing formal about formal nights.

[struther1]

Recent travellers on Grandeur have you found anything goes in MDR ? We are taking a retirement cruise with all kids, spouses, and grandkids and I quit dressing up the day I retired. Went a full year without wearing long pants :D So I'm hoping shorts and a polo are good