Kitt Grey Posted June 25, 2018 Author #26 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Yes- I’m Aus too and when I read this I thought to myself-‘how can a boss deny you time off if it is in writing?’ I would definitely be taking this higher, probably to the union. This is definitely a case of ‘unfair working conditions.’ We’re very lucky here, more annual leave as well as long service leave. I feel for the OP as I don’t think it is acceptable what the boss has done. Approving leave, then denying it is just not on. Sent from my iPhone using Forums No union and the hospital pulls out the patient safety line if we protest. Sent from my LGMS210 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Dave Posted June 26, 2018 #27 Share Posted June 26, 2018 I had a coworker who had been with the company for over 30 years. Since we always get Christmas through New Years as paid holiday, he would save his vacation all year and would then “have to” take off Thanksgiving to Christmas to burn down his time to the maximum allowable carry over. :') Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclop Posted June 26, 2018 #28 Share Posted June 26, 2018 This is just a venting post but I am so frustrated right now. Ove a year and a half ago I got the okay from my boss in writing to take a longer than normal vacation. Our max time off is usually two week off at a time. Before booking my B2B Med and transatlantic I discussed it with her and got approval. Now with it coming up in 126 day I am being told I might not get the time off. They won't know until 60 days out or so. I have explained to them about the cancelation policy etc. but no change in their time line. I am someone who likes to plan hence the discussing the time off with the boss, early booking to get the room I wanted , researching the stops planning excursions etc. Now because others don't plan ahead I may get denied vacation. Chances are with a little work I can get a coworker to help cover some of it and will go but I HATE uncertainty. Rant over. Thanks for reading Not very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medtech2 Posted June 26, 2018 #29 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Not sure how it works there but if you have it in writing multiple times discussing booking some thing then they would have to honour it? I’m a people leader, once I approve it, it’s approved and especially when things are booked. This why we have fair work Australia. Can you not reach out to your HR dept to get advice that this has been approved? If this ever happened to me I’d take the holdsy and clear my desk. Very unfair for you, hope you seek higher management or HR advice. I’d keep going higher and higher until resolved. Let us know how you get on, fingers and toes! It depends on the state. My state is a “right to work” state, which is a misnomer in that it really amounts to “we can fire you for any reason” state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistizoom Posted June 26, 2018 #30 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Ummm, yeah, that's a big NO. I asked for time off two years ago to do a 10-year anniversary repeat of our original B2B Med and Transatlantic cruises. It required I take 20 days off. I had done 30 days three times in the past, so thought this would be no problem -- but deliberately bought travel insurance with the work reasons coverage anyway and paid a nice hefty price. When my work denied my ability to go and refused to budge, I contacted the insurance and they refused to pay! We went back and forth for months, but to no avail. So I not only lost the extra monies I paid for that coverage, but they wouldn't honor it when it came into play. Their excuse: you knew you might not get guaranteed approval?!? How do they know that? Very bizarre and I guess they will find a way to wiggle out of it if they don't want to pay. :mad:As my post says, "covered for work reasons" means if previously approved vacation time is later denied it would be a covered expense. Sounds like you just assumed it would be approved but never in fact got the vacation time approved. Big difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruiseGal999 Posted June 26, 2018 #31 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Likewise, I hope everything works out. However, for the replies mentioning trip insurance...it seems like all of the policies I’ve seen cover “emergencies” and wouldn’t cover circumstances described by the OP. Am I looking for trip insurance in the wrong place? Sent from my iPhone using Forums Cancel For Any Reason (CFAR), which I was told (possibly incorrectly) that my CFAR would cover me if I just change my mind and cancel. Within the timeframe they stipulate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkmaster Posted June 26, 2018 #32 Share Posted June 26, 2018 Crap like this makes me thankful that I'm a seasonal employee. 6 months of work, 6 months of no bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitt Grey Posted July 4, 2018 Author #33 Share Posted July 4, 2018 QUOTE] Now less than 120 days out and all I have been told is we think you will be able to but can’t promise it. Aaaaaaargh Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisercl Posted July 4, 2018 #34 Share Posted July 4, 2018 No union and the hospital pulls out the patient safety line if we protest. Sent from my LGMS210 using Forums mobile app One person going on vacation should not make a hospital unsafe; if it does, they need to be reported to JCAH and the government. This is poor leadership and management; vacation is part of your compensation package which you are entitled to take when you want, not when they think it is OK. You are not a slave, you are a professional. I would run it by legal. Also, hospitals use temp workers all of the time to cover staffing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hladygirl Posted July 4, 2018 #35 Share Posted July 4, 2018 One person going on vacation should not make a hospital unsafe; if it does, they need to be reported to JCAH and the government. This is poor leadership and management; vacation is part of your compensation package which you are entitled to take when you want, not when they think it is OK. You are not a slave, you are a professional. I would run it by legal. Except if multiple other staff already are approved for that same time off. I work in health care and have to deny vacation requests all the time. You can’t let everyone take the same time off. You have to be able to staff the building. We have a policy: Do not book any vacation plans until your request has been approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruisercl Posted July 4, 2018 #36 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Except if multiple other staff already are approved for that same time off. I work in health care and have to deny vacation requests all the time. You can’t let everyone take the same time off. You have to be able to staff the building. We have a policy: Do not book any vacation plans until your request has been approved. I work in healthcare (hospital RN, management) so I know what you are talking about, however she asked a year and a half in advance. It is highly unlikely that there are already multiple staff already approved. Something isn't right here. It is a poor and unfair labor policy to make employees wait and see if they get approval, such a short time before the actual vacation. Poor management/leadership with little respect for their employee's work life balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitt Grey Posted July 5, 2018 Author #37 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I work in healthcare (hospital RN, management) so I know what you are talking about, however she asked a year and a half in advance. It is highly unlikely that there are already multiple staff already approved. Something isn't right here.It is a poor and unfair labor policy to make employees wait and see if they get approval, such a short time before the actual vacation. Poor management/leadership with little respect for their employee's work life balance. The big problem my scheduler is having is only 5 of us on the unit can scrub emergent cases and we have to cover 24/7 for emergencies. They think we have cobbled together coverage but I will be working the three nights before I fly out. Guess i will sleep on the plane. Sent from my LGMS210 using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitt Grey Posted July 22, 2018 Author #38 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Received written confirmation I will be able to take vacation but will be working extended hours right up to it. Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love my butler Posted July 22, 2018 #39 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Thank goodness. Now I can sleep tonight............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seminole1975 Posted July 22, 2018 #40 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Received written confirmation I will be able to take vacation but will be working extended hours right up to it. Sent from my iPad using Forums I am a nurse too, and have been a manager, so I understand staffing issues. However I would be looking for another job. Life is too short. I could not work like that. Too much stress even with travel insurance! You want your vacation! It caused me anxiety just reading about your situation. I am so glad you can go! Enjoy your cruise!! Edited July 22, 2018 by Seminole1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggie cruises Posted July 22, 2018 #41 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I will say I have some fantastic coworkers who are willing to adjust scheduling to help make this possible. I work as a night surgical technician in obstetrics and we must have a team on at all times. That’s why I gave so much advanced notice of vacation. Sent from my iPad using Forums Sent from my iPad using Forums[/ .... Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myra711 Posted July 22, 2018 #42 Share Posted July 22, 2018 I'm so glad that you will be able to go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggie cruises Posted July 22, 2018 #43 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Received written confirmation I will be able to take vacation but will be working extended hours right up to it. Sent from my iPad using Forums Good and since your vacation is vacation days...then they will be paying you overtime if those "extended hours" go over your pay period hours Hospitals I consult at is anything over 40 hours equals o/t Sent from my iPad using Forums Edited July 22, 2018 by maggie cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggie cruises Posted July 22, 2018 #44 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) I am a nurse too, and have been a manager, so I understand staffing issues. However I would be looking for another job. Life is too short. I could not work like that. Too much stress even with travel insurance! You want your vacation! It caused me anxiety just reading about your situation. I am so glad you can go! Enjoy your cruise!! Absolutely!!! Unless you live in a remote outpost where the nearest other nursing job is hours away...or you are approaching retirement or vesting or whatever is so incredible that you can't give it up...I'd be looking for a new job A hospital i consult at is great pay and fairly understanding management but its 13 ...12 hour shifts a month....that easily turn into 14 hour shifts....that are paid o/t depending on why you stayed late...non union... However, most nurses treated very well so no real issues but my point is that within a 10 mile radius there are hospitals that only require 12 shifts a month and pay better...that's just one example but there are so many places for a nurse or a tech to work in my area it's mind boggling Fwiw nurses at this hospital who are treated well still leave for greener pastures quite successfully If benefits aren't at issue then any nurse etc treated poorly in my area can and should just walk away with no job worries Good nurses are in high demand Sent from my iPad using Forums Edited July 22, 2018 by maggie cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggie cruises Posted July 22, 2018 #45 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Except if multiple other staff already are approved for that same time off. I work in health care and have to deny vacation requests all the time. You can’t let everyone take the same time off. You have to be able to staff the building. We have a policy: Do not book any vacation plans until your request has been approved. Her request was approved a long time ago. Any other employee who requests the time off that will interfere with her time off are the ones to be denied not her Imho this hospital just ruined a good thing with this employee...who was pre approved way in advance...then told close to last minute she might not get the time off because others who requested it after her might get it off instead If it were me I'd never be the same employee as before Patients wouldn't suffer of course but my manager would especially when I handed in my resignation 26 years ago the best thing I ever did was quit a job after they gave me the day off to go to my real estate closing which was the day before thanksgiving and we weren't allowed to take the day before a holiday off (non medical job btw) and they told me I had to get a note signed by the attorney proving I was there. I was with the company 8 years and took a total of 2 sick days and received glowing reviews all the time from the college students I taught at this school. I was a high demand teacher and students were clamoring to get into my classes. Oh and I actually taught a real estate management class at that time to boot I was never asked for the note but I did get one I waited until the perfect time to quit that yup put administration in a bind gave my notice and never looked back They lost a great teacher over nonsense I moved on to have an incredible family that I actually raised Then moved into high level management consulting...in various industries..including hospitals and colleges. Quitting that job was the best thing I ever did Sent from my iPad using Forums Edited July 22, 2018 by maggie cruises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda the Book Lover Posted July 22, 2018 #46 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Enjoy your vacation. Put this issue behind you and enjoy your time at sea. When you return you will know what you plan to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsta Posted July 22, 2018 #47 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Thank you for the update, I am so glad that you will be able to take your cruise. Sorry that you will have to be working right up until the last moment, you will certainly be ready for your break by the time you go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitt Grey Posted July 26, 2018 Author #48 Share Posted July 26, 2018 .. .. “ ... Sent from my iPad using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nslatin Posted July 26, 2018 #49 Share Posted July 26, 2018 It depends on the state. My state is a “right to work” state, which is a misnomer in that it really amounts to “we can fire you for any reason” state. FYI.. According to the Legal Defense Foundation, right-to-work laws prohibit union security agreements, or agreements between employers and labor unions, that govern the extent to which an established union can require employees' membership, payment of union dues, or fees as a condition of employment. Every job carries the risk of being fired at any time for any reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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