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Back to the original topic -- Edge vs HAL ships. I think Celebrity may have gone "South Beach" on this one - lots of sizzle but not much meat. The Infinite Balcony concept is a great idea, but very poor in practice. In effect, it is an oceanview with a window that slides down. This has a few considerable failures.

1. The shades are on the outer wall, so one person cannot enjoy the balcony while another sleeps in darkness.

2. The fresh breezes (that I personally love) are not there, as the balcony is a box with an opening on one side (front), rather than openings on four sides (left, right, top, front).

Additionally, the costs (not only the cruise fare) are not in line with the value -- some venues' beverages are not included in the beverage packages (even the premium) and the specialty restaurants are crazy expensive.

Although I'm Elite on Celebrity, I don't see going on an Edge-class ship any time soon. I hope the "Edgification" of the rest of the fleet doesn't ruin it.

And now I'm looking forward to our next cruise on the Nieuw Statendam. The fare was acceptable, the ship looks beautiful, and I remember fondly the great crew service on HAL (although that was a decade ago).

So, for those with ship envy... Enjoy! To each their own!

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I also have to wonder how safe is  having thousands of tons of compressed natural gas for fuel on board. This is much more volatile than the conventional diesel fuel it could make a cruise ship a floating bomb.

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On 12/2/2018 at 6:42 PM, cruisemom42 said:

 

See link for description and images of Celebrity's "infinite" verandas on Edge:   https://www.celebritycruises.com/edge/accommodations/infinite-verandas/

 

Sounds like the forward-facing beds and full-door openings on the Avalon Waterways river cruises. Since I am a sidesleeper, it did nothing for me and in fact restricted my view of the river when in bed, and since river cruises are all about the view, not a good choice for me.. Thankfully, not all their ships are that way - you just have to be careful which ones you choose.

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1 hour ago, terrydtx said:

I also have to wonder how safe is  having thousands of tons of compressed natural gas for fuel on board. This is much more volatile than the conventional diesel fuel it could make a cruise ship a floating bomb.

 

Given these companies' general disdain for liability, I would have to assume VERY safe. 

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7 hours ago, RDC1 said:

also noisier. the open design means that music carries throughout the space, even when one wants to get away from it.

 

You are right, the open design can lead to noise traveling.  We experienced that on our recent K-Dam in the music walk/casino area (without the drifting smoke experienced on KDam).  I think both ships have some more quiet spaces...HAL probably more than X.  

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IDK..I'm not so impressed by new ships and or gimmicky designs OR their price.  Give me a nice well-maintained traditional ship; a large, well thought-out stateroom; large balcony with a couple of loungers; and good service and you've got me.  I'd have to go several notches lower cabin category to sail on most, which I'm not willing to do....so value to me just isn't there.  If it's ones cup of tea, more power to you!

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From my perspective,  my comments are certainly not akin to a HAL vs Celebrity ship comparison.  Both fleets have some wonderful ships.

 

I suspect that there are some HAL boosters who interpret any complement or positive comment about another cruise line on the HAL forum as a criticism of HAL when it is not.  

 

Not certain why anyone would be so personally invested in a for profit company that they would feel this way.

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On 12/2/2018 at 9:07 PM, *Miss G* said:

 

Wow.  That is awesome.

 

There are many complaints regarding these cabins, especially that you cannot sit on the balcony while your dw/dh is sleeping because there is no curtain or door to cut off the light streaming in.  Also, there is supposedly no privacy while getting dressed with the cabin open to the balcony.  The balcony does not open to the cabin next door.  To me, they seem like a larger oceanview cabin with a window that opens, than a balcony cabin.  (My $.02)

 

I agree it may be one of the least attractive cruise ships I have seen (NCL is probably in a category of their own), but the interior does look very attractive.  I will not sail on the Edge until the price comes back to reality.  Maybe after Apex is launched?

 

On another note, there seems to be a lot of advertising going on for the Edge.  If it is booked up, why would they be advertising so much?

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3 hours ago, iancal said:

I suspect that there are some HAL boosters who interpret any complement or positive comment about another cruise line on the HAL forum as a criticism of HAL when it is not. 

 

This! You nailed it. 

 

32 minutes ago, kenevenpar said:

On another note, there seems to be a lot of advertising going on for the Edge.  If it is booked up, why would they be advertising so much?

 

I'm guessing to show off their new toy and pump up excitement for the brand? I'm not sure. I also see regular advertising for Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and Apple, and they're doing just fine. :classic_biggrin:

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1 minute ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

 

I'm guessing to show off their new toy and pump up excitement for the brand? I'm not sure. I also see regular advertising for Wal-Mart, McDonalds, and Apple, and they're doing just fine. :classic_biggrin:

 Good point.  As a frequent =x= cruiser, and advertising recipient, I am certainly tired of the ads.  But that is just me.

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Celebrity is the biggest con artist in the mass cruise line inventory. Continuously downgrading the product while increasing the price.

 

The new ship is a distraction which will likely allow them to continue the product downgrade.

 

Wait 1 year and review the comments to see if the downgrading from the 2018 Celebrity downgraded offerings continues.

 

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8 minutes ago, Doubt It said:

Celebrity is the biggest con artist in the mass cruise line inventory. Continuously downgrading the product while increasing the price.

 

The new ship is a distraction which will likely allow them to continue the product downgrade.

 

Wait 1 year and review the comments to see if the downgrading from the 2018 Celebrity downgraded offerings continues.

 

 

If you read any board from any of the mass market cruise lines, a common theme will be increased prices and decreased quality. If Celebrity is guilty, then they all are. Not to say it's right- I don't like it, either. 

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Having a front row seat to watch the Edge go in and out of Port Everglades every couple of days since she arrived, I still can't help thinking*....

 

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But I'm sure she's lovely inside.

 

*-Seriously. That's the first thing my wife and I thought when we saw her on arrival day.

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21 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

I hope this becomes standard on all HAL ships! 

Well, while I agree with your idea, good luck with it happening at HAL.  Case in point is the brand new Nieuw Statendam, which will allow smoking in the casino!  Before everyone jumps on me for that, yes, I understand that it is only in certain areas.  However, I also understand that on the Koningsdam, sister ship of the Nieuw Statendam, the smoke not only permeates throughout other areas of the casino, but also seems to migrate to other venues on the deck below it, via someone's bright idea of putting a circular staircase between the two.  Most have said that there seems to be no real need for that staircase, due to the forward elevators and staircases being so close to that area.  The consensus is that if they would remove the staircase and close up the floor/ceiling in that area, many, many people would be much happier, and smoke would not enter the music venues below the casino.  By the way, there was also mention of the noise from the revelers in the casino disturbing those in the music venues, but I don't believe that seems as objectionable to most as is the smoke.  So, unless HAL decides to finally make its casinos smoke free on ALL their ships, as Celebrity is doing, you just won't hear much positive about it.

 

And, although I will admit that I have not been on the Koningsdam yet, I have sailed more than once on Eurodam, Nieuw Amsterdam, and on Westerdam, Zuiderdam, and Noordam over the years.  And, I am going on the Nieuw Statendam in a couple of weeks and Celebrity Edge in January.  After those voyages, I will feel better to voice my own opinions about some of the things on this discussion board.  Until then, what I have mentioned above is either what I have read on the HAL website, or from comments here on CC by others.  If you disagree, fine.  If you agree, fine, too.  We are all entitled to our opinions.  I don't think it is either kind, polite, nice or necessary for anyone to verbally slam anyone else on these boards.  If I read something I disagree with, I just move to the next post.  

 

Thank you for reading this, if you did.  :classic_wink:

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19 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

:classic_sad: So we know for sure that they will allow smoking in the Nieuw Statendam casino? 

 

From the HAL website:

"Sea View (Retreat) Bar/Pool on starboard side only. On Prinsendam, Koningsdam, and Nieuw Statendam, smoking is allowed on the port side only. 

  • Sun Bar on Koningsdam and Nieuw Statendam
  • Sports Deck forward and aft of Crow’s Nest on starboard side on Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Zaandam, Rotterdam and Amsterdam
  • Oak Room on Noordam only, including cigar and pipe smoking
  • Designated areas for active slot players in Casinos*. Oosterdam and Eurodam casinos are completely non-smoking. Noordam Casino is completely non-smoking, with the exception of two nights per cruise."
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20 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

:classic_sad: So we know for sure that they will allow smoking in the Nieuw Statendam casino? 

 

There was quite a large discussion about that on another thread before NS even sailed, and most people who posted were really against the brand new ship allowing smoking indoors at all.    

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  The smoking  to us is a huge turn off  . We would NEVER step into a casino where smoking is allowed .  Not only horrible for health reasons ;but , the smoke gets into clothing   as well & stinks 😡

 

 Imo HAL would be better off if they did not permit smoking in any indoor area  & restrict it to maximum 3 small out side areas . For a casino HAL would profit more with non smokers than smokers  ;as we non smokers way outnumber smokers  😄

 

 

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1 hour ago, beachbunny6 said:

 

From the HAL website:

"Sea View (Retreat) Bar/Pool on starboard side only. On Prinsendam, Koningsdam, and Nieuw Statendam, smoking is allowed on the port side only. 

  • Sun Bar on Koningsdam and Nieuw Statendam
  • Sports Deck forward and aft of Crow’s Nest on starboard side on Maasdam, Veendam, Volendam, Zaandam, Rotterdam and Amsterdam
  • Oak Room on Noordam only, including cigar and pipe smoking
  • Designated areas for active slot players in Casinos*. Oosterdam and Eurodam casinos are completely non-smoking. Noordam Casino is completely non-smoking, with the exception of two nights per cruise."

 

Yes, but the Nieuw Amsterdam is now smoke free after dry dock. Since early 2018. So the guidelines haven't been updated. There's still hope, perhaps?

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And, to tie this in with the topic of this thread, all non-smoking interiors is another thing to like about Celebrity Edge.

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2 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

And, to tie this in with the topic of this thread, all non-smoking interiors is another thing to like about Celebrity Edge.

Non Smoking interiors has been Celebrity policy for as long as we cruised on  their ships  & that has been a long time .HAL will have to fall into place sooner than later  

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Looks like this thread has now been hijacked to HAL's smoking policy. :classic_angry:

I have been on CC for over 15 years and seen many threads on smoking policies in HAL ships. The one thing I can say is there are no winners or losers in these threads just a bunch of pissed off posters on both sides.

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12 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

Yes, but the Nieuw Amsterdam is now smoke free after dry dock. Since early 2018. So the guidelines haven't been updated. There's still hope, perhaps?

 

I understand what you are saying, and it is ridiculous that HAL has not updated their Smoking Policy on their own website FAQ's!  :classic_rolleyes:

 

But, as they say, there's always hope!  :classic_huh:

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The Edge is a ship that has no forward viewing area for the passengers (unless you are in a suite).

 

The design is to ensure passengers focus inward so they can be harassed even further with the incessant shrilling for sales that Celebrity is known for.

 

No one in our household, or regular group that we sail with, will sail on this class of ship, or any other Celebrity ship post refit, if there is no forward observation. 

 

It depends upon what a customer wants - floating vegas hotel that should really just tie up at an island for the week - or a ship.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Doubt It said:

The Edge is a ship that has no forward viewing area for the passengers (unless you are in a suite).

 

The design is to ensure passengers focus inward so they can be harassed even further with the incessant shrilling for sales that Celebrity is known for.

 

No one in our household, or regular group that we sail with, will sail on this class of ship, or any other Celebrity ship post refit, if there is no forward observation. 

 

It depends upon what a customer wants - floating vegas hotel that should really just tie up at an island for the week - or a ship.

 

 

 

Agree 100%. Just WAY too over the top for us, and cruisers like us who actually enjoy knowing we're on a ship at sea.

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1 hour ago, Doubt It said:

The Edge is a ship that has no forward viewing area for the passengers (unless you are in a suite).

 

The design is to ensure passengers focus inward so they can be harassed even further with the incessant shrilling for sales that Celebrity is known for.

 

No one in our household, or regular group that we sail with, will sail on this class of ship, or any other Celebrity ship post refit, if there is no forward observation. 

 

It depends upon what a customer wants - floating vegas hotel that should really just tie up at an island for the week - or a ship.

 

 

 

I had no idea, until this thread, that a forward viewing area was so important to people. Personally, I just want to see the ocean; direction matters not. 

 

And I'm happy to hear that you won't be competing with me for space on the K-dam class, Edge class, or Solstice class. 

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25 minutes ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

I had no idea, until this thread, that a forward viewing area was so important to people. Personally, I just want to see the ocean; direction matters not. 

 

And I'm happy to hear that you won't be competing with me for space on the K-dam class, Edge class, or Solstice class. 

on scenic routes such as the New Zealand Fjordlands forward viewing is extremely important. Caribbean not so much.

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 Celebrity  has much higher per day cruise prices than HAL  . We had looked at Celebrity cruises in the Caribbean before deciding on  HALs  Konigsdam    for a 10 night Southern Caribbean cruise  in March 2019 ; which includes all 3 of the ABC islands . Even though we  would get  free cocktails(2 hours daily ) ,free washes (4) & free internet on a Celebrity cruise ,we still selected The HAL cruise not just because of a price point but also the itinerary was better for us .  

 

We have also decided to stick with HAL & Princess cruise  line ships primarily because both lines sail from 2 ports here in Southern California ,that we are able to drive to & no need to fly ;which is a major advantage for our future cruising  :classic_biggrin:

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

I had no idea, until this thread, that a forward viewing area was so important to people. Personally, I just want to see the ocean; direction matters not. 

 

And I'm happy to hear that you won't be competing with me for space on the K-dam class, Edge class, or Solstice class. 

 

The forward viewing areas are paramount for cruises like South America, Baltic, sailing into Venice is legendary, sailing into Kotor at the front of the ship going through the narrows is beyond words, arriving in Singapore and Hong Kong got to have a front view, the sail into and out of Stockholm with the winding route you got to be up front.

 

Celebrity has a blah itinerary inventory soooo maybe a front viewing area is not so important.

 

That is why the premium and luxury lines all retain their forward viewing areas because their guests demand it and their itineraries must have it.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

 Celebrity  has much higher per day cruise prices than HAL  . We had looked at Celebrity cruises in the Caribbean before deciding on  HALs  Konigsdam    for a 10 night Southern Caribbean cruise  in March 2019 ; which includes all 3 of the ABC islands . Even though we  would get  free cocktails(2 hours daily ) ,free washes (4) & free internet on a Celebrity cruise ,we still selected The HAL cruise not just because of a price point but also the itinerary was better for us .  

 

We have also decided to stick with HAL & Princess cruise  line ships primarily because both lines sail from 2 ports here in Southern California ,that we are able to drive to & no need to fly ;which is a major advantage for our future cruising  :classic_biggrin:

 

Kind of depends on the itinerary as to pricing.  We found a great price on Koningsdam Iberian cruise in September...and last year on the Westerdam Adriatic.  Unfortunately they included no on board credit or other benefits but worth the price.  In February we have an unobstructed balcony on the X Silhouette going to the ABC islands and C. Cayman.  9 nights, $525 onboard credit, drink package (including gratuities) for $1,512 pp including all taxes and fees.  Could not find anyone who come close to the pricing and benefits. 

 

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If you look up the theater entertainment, and performances in Eden, it's got a sinister-eerie vibe.  Some of the performers are more talented than others, with some doing simple repetitive motions, if not random.  A passenger told me, "the whole ship is kinda creepy, but in a good way."  

 

I'll pass.

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32 minutes ago, blueboro said:

 

Kind of depends on the itinerary as to pricing.  We found a great price on Koningsdam Iberian cruise in September...and last year on the Westerdam Adriatic.  Unfortunately they included no on board credit or other benefits but worth the price.  In February we have an unobstructed balcony on the X Silhouette going to the ABC islands and C. Cayman.  9 nights, $525 onboard credit, drink package (including gratuities) for $1,512 pp including all taxes and fees.  Could not find anyone who come close to the pricing and benefits. 

 

Check out Koningsdam ,10 night Southern Caribbean ,  March 17 ,2019 itinerary & pricing .  We have OBCs from both our TA & the Carnival corp share holder  OBC  for a V category  upgraded from a VF  balcony Cat  .We did compare the price we got from our TA ( we send out all our cruises to bid by TAs --can not discuss that bid site on cruise critic ,their rules )  against a similar cruise with Celebrity . Our 10 night cruise goes to Grand turk , HALS island ,Amber cove & the 3 ABC islands  .Total cost $2518.00 . 

 We are not  drinkers except a glass of wine at dinner  . There we bring in our own wine  & pay the corkage of $18 per bottle  . We love our own wine selections 

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5 hours ago, mcrcruiser said:

 Celebrity  has much higher per day cruise prices than HAL  . We had looked at Celebrity cruises in the Caribbean before deciding on  HALs  Konigsdam    for a 10 night Southern Caribbean cruise  in March 2019 ; which includes all 3 of the ABC islands . Even though we  would get  free cocktails(2 hours daily ) ,free washes (4) & free internet on a Celebrity cruise ,we still selected The HAL cruise not just because of a price point but also the itinerary was better for us .  

 

We have also decided to stick with HAL & Princess cruise  line ships primarily because both lines sail from 2 ports here in Southern California ,that we are able to drive to & no need to fly ;which is a major advantage for our future cruising  :classic_biggrin:

 

 

 

 

if you look at data from market watch and look at the ratio of percent revenue, dividend by percent passenger market share, a good metric for comparing relative revenue per passenger you will find that Celebrity is similar to princess at a ratio around 1.4. HAL is higher with a ratio of around 1.8. as such it would seem overall HAL is able to get a higher revenue per passenger day.

for perspective NCL is around .9, Oceania is around 3, regent, crystal and seaborne are in the 6 range

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21 hours ago, stickey_mouse said:

 

Yes, but the Nieuw Amsterdam is now smoke free after dry dock. Since early 2018. So the guidelines haven't been updated. There's still hope, perhaps?

 

They definitely haven’t been updated in a long while because there are other HAL ships where the casinos are smoke-free.

 

On 12/3/2018 at 12:22 PM, ronbe65 said:

 

It links to the cruise line's computer-generated ads that are never exactly what the real ship is (related to all new designs). There is a video tour of the real cabin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRpbJy1abuk

 

You’re right.  The reality is completely different.

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The first review focuses on the cabin design and SE public space.

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It's kind of funny how polarizing the subject of ships and cruise lines can be. A lot of people have a small niche of what they like and tend to disparage anything different. We are longtime RCCL cruisers who have also cruised Celebrity, NCL and for the first time this past week HAL on Nieuw Amsterstam.

 

My wife and myself loved HAL and Nieuw Amsterdam. It was beautiful, well kept, had an amazing staff, and  was the perfect size ship for an middle aged / older couple to cruise to the Caribbean on. However my wife pointed out to me that for the longer transatlantic / repositioning cruises we like to do she would prefer a larger RCCL ship with the large open promenade that truly gives you the feel of being a city at sea with bars, restaurants, and stores all on the "street". This doesn't make HAL bad or RCCL better just different and I believe a lot of us can enjoy each. I am not locked in to just one style like some of you are.

 

Will I cruise HAL again? Absolutely! Will I cruise RCCL again? Absolutely! Different but great experiences with both lines. (oh and we cruised Celebrity once and loved it but having so few ships and thus less sail dates and itineraries has kept us from cruising on Celebrity again as of now).

 

 

 

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Agree.  It is very odd just how much some posters get out of sorts.

 

Even to the point of price.  Our last cruise was on Princess.  Three ships, same itinerary.  HAL and Celebrity had the same pricing...40 plus percent highter than Princess.  We have been on slightly more Celebrity ships than any other brands.  Why?  Their price, when we have purchased in the final payment window, was always less than Princess and HAL-often by a very fair amount.  Does this mean anything?  Absolutely not.  Pricing comes down to when you book, how you book, where you book (in or out of country) and who books-direct or TA.

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1 hour ago, ronbe65 said:

 

Interesting. Given how one-sided it is, I'm eager to see if this is a one-off, or if others follow suit. I have read comments from 'professionals' (podcasters, travel writers) who have sailed it, and they praised it. Time will tell how Edge is received. 

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4 hours ago, Stateroom_Sailor said:

If you look up the theater entertainment, and performances in Eden, it's got a sinister-eerie vibe.  Some of the performers are more talented than others, with some doing simple repetitive motions, if not random.  A passenger told me, "the whole ship is kinda creepy, but in a good way."  

 

I'll pass.

 

I get the vibe of Cirque du Soleil, which does tend to lean toward the mysterious and odd. Not exactly my thing. But I think the final product seems to be less whimsical than its original plans suggested, which I think is a good thing. 

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