Florida resident here a little confused over C19 protocol.

[John&LaLa]

30 minutes ago, jrapps said:

You believe that FL law has jurisdiction on the cruise after it has left FL? how? (not trying to be rude, I am legitimately curious as to your opinion.)

 

There are a lot of things the cruise lines do as soon as they hit international waters (duty free, gambling, etc) Why is this different?

 

FL, might not have to let them return🤣🤣

[CI66774]

5 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Loopholes abound.  And the high-priced legal counsel for the cruise lines will find and use them.  The vaccine ban will be dropped one way or another.  We just have to wait to see how.

Won’t be dropped unless a court invalidates the law. Now, that may happen but DeSantis can’t unilaterally withdraw the prohibition now that the Legislature passed it.

[jrapps]

Just now, John&LaLa said:

 

FL, might not have to let them return🤣🤣

Awesome...do I get to stay on the ship? 😂

[John&LaLa]

22 minutes ago, boatseller said:

This is not a difference of opinion.  The law is very clear.

 

https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006/BillText/er/HTML

 

Section 18.

 

Subject to interpretation by a court

[CI66774]

1 minute ago, John&LaLa said:

 

FL, might not have to let them return🤣🤣

Conceivable but I think those paxs would have a ripe lawsuit against the cruise line.

[CI66774]

Just now, John&LaLa said:

 

Subject to interpretation by a court

Precisely.

[M8VER3]

2 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Embarkation is in the State.

 

While in port, the ship is operating in the State, that's why the casino is closed and you have to pay taxes on drinks even with the beverage package.

I don’t recall paying any taxes on a drink in port prior to castaway (Florida). 

[boatseller]

Just now, John&LaLa said:

Subject to interpretation by a court

Sure, but laws and contracts can be written clear enought that there is no meaningful wiggle room.

[harkinmr]

7 minutes ago, CI66774 said:

Won’t be dropped unless a court invalidates the law. Now, that may happen but DeSantis can’t unilaterally withdraw the prohibition now that the Legislature passed it.

A total dismantling of the legislation is not required.  The cruise lines take advantage of a loophole, work something out with the Governor or show that the law does not apply to them in court if necessary.  Any way they go is a win.

Edited June 7, 2021 by harkinmr

[Goodtime Cruizin]

39 minutes ago, jrapps said:

The other perspective here is jurisdiction. FL has argued that they have jurisdiction on controlling who can get on the ship based on vax status. Fair enough, I know some argue against this but there is at least some logic to this argument.

 

They most certainly have no jurisdiction as to what a cruise line asks for, and what services they provide or deny while onboard as soon as that ship is 12 miles out at sea.

 

People can argue letter of law, intent of the law all they want. Once you have left FL, there is nothing that law can do.

 

Well if this be the case, then the CDC loses its jurisdcition when the ship hits international waters.... correct? 

[John&LaLa]

Just now, M8VER3 said:

I don’t recall paying any taxes on a drink in port prior to castaway (Florida). 

 

I have if I bought a drink. We didn't pay anything as STAR passengers on Allure in PE

[firefly333]

6 minutes ago, CI66774 said:

I’m not saying Texas will interpret Port of Galveston to be a part of any cruiseline, I’m just saying the law seems to govern the Port - but it’s just a facility and not Part and parcel to any business

 

 

Honestly do you think carnival would announce vaccinated cruises from Galveston if they didnt already KNOW. Its florida that they cant announce, not texas. 

 

It's obviously florida that held up this announcement, texas was never the issue except in some minds. I'm betting my sept vista is vaccinated though they only said to start and not a end date.

[boatseller]

Just now, M8VER3 said:

I don’t recall paying any taxes on a drink in port prior to castaway (Florida). 

Good heavens, now you're just being argumentative.

 

There's like a gazillion threads on CC about drink taxes in port.  And the casino is still closed.

[John&LaLa]

3 minutes ago, CI66774 said:

Conceivable but I think those paxs would have a ripe lawsuit against the cruise line.

 

That's why they need to follow the law of FL😉

[John&LaLa]

2 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Sure, but laws and contracts can be written clear enought that there is no meaningful wiggle room.

 

They might, but I doubt it😉

[M8VER3]

35 minutes ago, jrapps said:

You believe that FL law has jurisdiction on the cruise after it has left FL? how? (not trying to be rude, I am legitimately curious as to your opinion.)

 

There are a lot of things the cruise lines do as soon as they hit international waters (duty free, gambling, etc) Why is this different?

We are vaccinated and really don’t want to wear a mask onboard. I believe the State of Florida has a lot of control over her Ports. I’m sure they are in conversations with the Cruise Industry. Anything we opine here, is merely speculation. I would think the two working together will work this out. 

[M8VER3]

6 minutes ago, jrapps said:

Awesome...do I get to stay on the ship? 😂

Points?

[jrapps]

Just now, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well if this be the case, then the CDC loses its jurisdcition when the ship hits international waters.... correct? 

Yes, however they have more jurisdiction on the disembarking so they can force lines to maintain health protocols or deny then re-entry.

 

Can FL deny re-enty if FL law was not enforced in international waters? Perhaps, but that would not be the $5,000 fine, that is a totally separate consequence that is not spelled out in the law.

 

FL can not enforce their law in international waters any more then they could enforce FL law in NY

[John&LaLa]

1 minute ago, boatseller said:

Good heavens, now you're just being argumentative.

 

There's like a gazillion threads on CC about drink taxes in port.  And the casino is still closed.

 

Those are for shipboard purchases. At least in my personal experiences 

[harkinmr]

4 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Well if this be the case, then the CDC loses its jurisdcition when the ship hits international waters.... correct? 

No.  The legal concept of "free pratique" applies, so in order to reenter the US, the ship must comply with federal law throughout its voyage.  

[Joseph2017China]

I think everyone is overthinking this.  It is process.  You either need a Covid Test (international travel) or a Vaccine.  If you show the vaccine, you don't need the covid test and all is good.  You will not be denied boarding by Florida Law if no vaccine.....however, the covid test is another issue. So the vaccine is not "required".

 

On a side note....anyone that is concerned or worried......please don't go.  The rest of us are fine

 

[M8VER3]

6 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

 

I have if I bought a drink. We didn't pay anything as STAR passengers on Allure in PE

We always have the drink package. Maybe that makes a difference?

[boatseller]

6 minutes ago, John&LaLa said:

Those are for shipboard purchases. At least in my personal experiences 

Um...yes, you buy the drink on board and pay the local taxes...where are you going with this?

[M8VER3]

7 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Good heavens, now you're just being argumentative.

 

There's like a gazillion threads on CC about drink taxes in port.  And the casino is still closed.

Maybe it’s because we always prepay for the Drink Package. I swear, we have NEVER paid taxes on a drink while docked in a US Port. How is that being argumentative if it’s a fact. I agree regarding the Casino and I didn’t counter that fact you posted. 
 

Well, those Gilzillion threads must be wrong as it relates to the Drink Package. 

[smokeybandit]

3 hours ago, lampskies said:

Ok, so local news this morning stated that RCCL will not require proof of vaccination sailing out of Florida and Texas due to Governors executive orders. 5000.00 fine every time if they ask for proof…..but they put this statement out Friday “Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date," Royal Caribbean said on Friday. So if legally they can’t ask how can they undergo “testing protocols”? Is it just going to be another question on form before boarding? Like the one now? Have you been sick etc in last few days?

Florida law says you can't require proof of vaccine to enter your business, not that they can't optionally ask if you've been vaccinated.