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Psych0St@r22

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I just got back form a cruise, and we watched the Deal or No Deal game. I'm a computer programmer by trade, and realized that this game could easily be rigged by Carnival.

 

I'm not going to analyze the person on stage, as it could be possible that the numbers in the cases are not determined before the person stand on stage, but actually after the case is chosen. Meaning that Carnival could guarantee that everyone hits the $0.01. I highly doubt they are doing that, but could be reducing the money earned by the person standing on the stage. The television show used physical brief cases, and could not be rigged in this manner.

 

What I want to address, is the problem with the cards they sell. The "computer" knows each card that is sold, and what each card's doors contain. Knowing all of this, a simple computer program could be written to determine where to put the values on stage to have the lowest possible winnings from the crowd. I fully believe that this computer program is doing this, and therefore I avoid the game altogether.

 

Generally if it is a computer program I know there are ways to cheat the system. I also noticed that Bingo is done via computer now, does anyone know if the bingo cards have an identifying number on each one? Bingo is not as much of a big deal as someone is guaranteed to win (except for the get Bingo in X number of Balls, i.e. Jackpot).

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5 hours ago, Psych0St@r22 said:

. . . Generally if it is a computer program I know there are ways to cheat the system. I also noticed that Bingo is done via computer now, does anyone know if the bingo cards have an identifying number on each one? Bingo is not as much of a big deal as someone is guaranteed to win (except for the get Bingo in X number of Balls, i.e. Jackpot).

They must, because I believe that when someone calls Bingo they ask for a number from your card to verify.

 

But is any of this really news? I mean, the house will win here just like in the casino.

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Beware of the “free” cruise prize in this game. I won and was so excited. Then I found out what it really was. Inside cabin, no WiFi, tips and drink package even though the cruise line is giving that with every room. You must pay all port chgs and tax. A 1099 will be sent to you. 4-5 day cruise only and only good for January, February and March. You submit 3 dates and they will decide which one you get. Because Celebrity is currently offering 20% off and drink pkg, WiFi and tips included, it would be cheaper to book it myself. Nothing “free” about it. This game is owned by Deal or No Deal and they make the rules. It’s under the casino umbrella. Total rip off. I’ll never waste my money on this again. 

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dadm1n23x

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The problem here isn't that the game operator (cruise line) has an advantage and intends to turn a profit. The issue here is that the game operator can blatantly cheat. The game runs under the premise that dollar amounts are assigned to cases prior to the game and then are opened and subsequently eliminated during the game. The problem is that the game operator has the opportunity to change dollar amounts in the cases after the start of the game. In fact, the dollar amounts could be changed in the short time period after a case is selected and before it is revealed. It's highly probable that values are never assigned to cases at all (until reveal) and the computer just has an order in which values will be revealed.

 

Let's say: A player picks the highest value case as their own. The operator/computer could then just reshuffle the dollar amounts so the player has something in the lower range. Or, during gameplay a case is selected to be revealed....It's the penny!. Nope, The operator can swap that with another value before the reveal. The computer could very likely be programmed to run the game to a specific outcome every time regardless of the gameplay. 

 

Or worse, the game could be programmed to lean towards a big-win for the player (early elimination of a lot of low values) which could boost the players confidence. Then, once down to just a few remaining cases, forcibly eliminating high-values. Another reason other than profit that an operator might engage in such a practice would be to manage the length of game/program/entertainment.

 

This is could possibly be nothing other than high-tech "3-card Monty". In a casino, you have a chance. Especially at the tables where the mechanics of the game are in sight. Slots are another story and head down this same road - your result is likely determined before you even pull the handle or hit the button. Now in this case, there will be winners, but will they win as much as they could possibly if the game was straight?

 

Now on the other hand, maybe we have a very honest and trustworthy game operator that isn't cheating at all. Without transparency into the mechanics (programming) of the game, or historical records of all outcomes, we'll never know.

 

One hint at the answer to this question is: Do you see this game being offered anywhere on-land where it would be regulated by a government agency?

 

 

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ALWAYS CRUZIN

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On 10/28/2021 at 5:39 PM, Psych0St@r22 said:

I just got back form a cruise, and we watched the Deal or No Deal game. I'm a computer programmer by trade, and realized that this game could easily be rigged by Carnival.

 

I'm not going to analyze the person on stage, as it could be possible that the numbers in the cases are not determined before the person stand on stage, but actually after the case is chosen. Meaning that Carnival could guarantee that everyone hits the $0.01. I highly doubt they are doing that, but could be reducing the money earned by the person standing on the stage. The television show used physical brief cases, and could not be rigged in this manner.

 

What I want to address, is the problem with the cards they sell. The "computer" knows each card that is sold, and what each card's doors contain. Knowing all of this, a simple computer program could be written to determine where to put the values on stage to have the lowest possible winnings from the crowd. I fully believe that this computer program is doing this, and therefore I avoid the game altogether.

 

Generally if it is a computer program I know there are ways to cheat the system. I also noticed that Bingo is done via computer now, does anyone know if the bingo cards have an identifying number on each one? Bingo is not as much of a big deal as someone is guaranteed to win (except for the get Bingo in X number of Balls, i.e. Jackpot).

I do not think any of the games are rigged as far as I know the Cruise line does not control them at all. I think it is a company called Global Casino Services that controls all the gaming on the ships for carnival. So all the soft ware is probably locked so it cannot be changed or altered. As for bingo. Paper cards have numbers but the numbers are not entered prior to the game. The older heavy cardboard with plastic sliders to cover the numbers they have no numbers at all.

The numbers are used to verify a winning card after bingo is called. We have won Bingo several times and the jackpots also. Paper card and ipad card. On Princess we did win the final coverall grand prize using the iPad card. Had to split it with another. Still got $1,500.00 Princess raises the grand prize at every bingo game if it is not won before 49 numbers are called. The difference with Princess. The last game some will win it and it is a large sum. They do a coverall to win it for the last game. We play every game of bingo on a cruise. So we have played many games in 80+ cruises. Even with many great winning I still think they are ahead. Especially now when a game is $50 or so. Makes no difference. We enjoy the game as I am sure you can tell. We do enjoy Deal or No deal. However only won $25.00 towards OBC. The person that does well are the ones picked to play.

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ALWAYS CRUZIN

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3 hours ago, dadm1n23x said:

The problem here isn't that the game operator (cruise line) has an advantage and intends to turn a profit. The issue here is that the game operator can blatantly cheat. The game runs under the premise that dollar amounts are assigned to cases prior to the game and then are opened and subsequently eliminated during the game. The problem is that the game operator has the opportunity to change dollar amounts in the cases after the start of the game. In fact, the dollar amounts could be changed in the short time period after a case is selected and before it is revealed. It's highly probable that values are never assigned to cases at all (until reveal) and the computer just has an order in which values will be revealed.

 

Let's say: A player picks the highest value case as their own. The operator/computer could then just reshuffle the dollar amounts so the player has something in the lower range. Or, during gameplay a case is selected to be revealed....It's the penny!. Nope, The operator can swap that with another value before the reveal. The computer could very likely be programmed to run the game to a specific outcome every time regardless of the gameplay. 

 

Or worse, the game could be programmed to lean towards a big-win for the player (early elimination of a lot of low values) which could boost the players confidence. Then, once down to just a few remaining cases, forcibly eliminating high-values. Another reason other than profit that an operator might engage in such a practice would be to manage the length of game/program/entertainment.

 

This is could possibly be nothing other than high-tech "3-card Monty". In a casino, you have a chance. Especially at the tables where the mechanics of the game are in sight. Slots are another story and head down this same road - your result is likely determined before you even pull the handle or hit the button. Now in this case, there will be winners, but will they win as much as they could possibly if the game was straight?

 

Now on the other hand, maybe we have a very honest and trustworthy game operator that isn't cheating at all. Without transparency into the mechanics (programming) of the game, or historical records of all outcomes, we'll never know.

 

One hint at the answer to this question is: Do you see this game being offered anywhere on-land where it would be regulated by a government agency?

 

 

All gaming in Vegas is government controlled. As for slots. The percentage is pre entered in the chip that controls the outcome. The higher priced games give you a better chance of winning. Nothing can be changed once that chip is installed other then physically changing the chip. You push the button and the results are instant long before the wheels stop. A random generator operates the results. As it is called and that is exactly what happens randomly. The longer you play at a machine the better your odds are. Does not mean you will win though.

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I've only played deal twice and both times I won more back than I spent on it. Not to mention the enjoyment. It's entertainment.  Same with Bingo.  I highly enjoy it and have won 2 large bingos. It's fun....  If you don't want to risk your money just watch or do something else. 

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Just now, CruzCra-Z said:

I've only played deal twice and both times I won more back than I spent on it. Not to mention the enjoyment. It's entertainment.  Same with Bingo.  I highly enjoy it and have won 2 large bingos. It's fun....  If you don't want to risk your money just watch or do something else. 

Exactly!

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I forgot this. The house always wins. That is very true, is it not? Paying $50 for Bingo and there is over 200 players and the maximum total payout for 3 games is only $900.00 Hum. Who is the real winner? No need to control the outcome at all. That was on the last cruise the Liberty. First game $150.00 second game $150 third game $600 talk about low winnings. especially splitting it 2-3-4-5-6 ways. That is what happened. Wife won $150.00 only winner. Played 3 bingo games short cruise. So we played for free. Still fun for us.

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 2006:  My son won $900 on Deal or No Deal on his honeymoon cruise when Legend left from NY.

              The ship left a day late because they had a person overboard situation.  Two excursions were canceled along the way and they had a taxi accident in St. Thomas during the cruise.

On the way back he played the game and got the good suitcase.  It made up for all the other inconveniences.  Sixteen years later, he's still married!

                 They never had it on any ship I was on or I definitely would have played.

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Just got off Sunrise and played myself.  I won $30 casino credit in the 1st game they played... along with about 60 others in the audience.  There was also over 100 people in the audience that won the bingo package worth $25.

 

Finally, 1 person won the free 5 day cruise for 2.

 

So, while it might be rigged, I have firsthand knowledge that people have won a "big" prize.

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