Most dangerous cruise ports?

[Mary229]

1 hour ago, rkacruiser said:

 

Agree and don't make eye contact with whomever is speaking (yelling at) to you.  

Not making eye contact is always good advice.  My DH who grew up on a farm has difficulty ignoring trouble.  Glance at a discrete moment in case trouble develops but just keep walking as if you are invisible.  We once heard a comedian give a spiel about acting crazier than the crazies.  I tried it one day in a very suspect situation and it worked!  I just threw my arms in the air and said “I have never been to Pittsburgh” in a half crazed voice.  The person ran in the other direction.  Never let potential embarrassment jeopardize your life 

[Elaine5715]

8 hours ago, Zach1213 said:

 

The fact that NYC is on your list means your reason for not going isn't based on actual data or violent crime rates, as NYC's violent crime rate is shockingly low for a city of its size...so I'd love to know your reason for avoiding cities where you have a very small chance, as a tourist, of something violent happening to you. 

When you are the victim, any rate is too high

[donaldsc]

On 9/7/2022 at 4:34 AM, SargassoPirate said:

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That being said, there are some ports and cities that once I've seen them, I stay on the ship.  Heck, there are some US cities that I'll never step foot in again that I have enjoyed in the past - LA, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, NYC for example.

 

You gotta have some street smarts.

 

The state of New York is 8th on the list of the number of mass shootings with 5.  The top ones in order numbers are California (23), Florida (12), Texas (12), Washington (7), Colorado (7), Wisconsin (5), Pennsylvania (5).  Do you plan to completely avoid all those states?  Yes I do realize that these numbers are total and not per capita but they are still useful numbers.  My home state of Nevada has only 2.

 

DON

[cruisemom42]

3 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

When you are the victim, any rate is too high

 

I assume, then, that you avoid driving (or riding) anywhere in a car, as your odds of being the victim of an accident caused by a drunk, impaired or reckless driver are astronomically higher than being the victim of a violent crime as a tourist.

[ldubs]

On 9/7/2022 at 5:43 PM, Elaine5715 said:

"No, Thank you" in Jamaica translates as "No, Yes".  Best to say nothing and keep walking. 

 

8 hours ago, rkacruiser said:

 

Agree and don't make eye contact with whomever is speaking (yelling at) to you.  

 

That is why I don't want to go there again.  It just isn't fun.  

[ldubs]

10 minutes ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

I assume, then, that you avoid driving (or riding) anywhere in a car, as your odds of being the victim of an accident caused by a drunk, impaired or reckless driver are astronomically higher than being the victim of a violent crime as a tourist.

 

Come on now. Why make that assumption.   They didn't say they would avoid anything.  They said it isn't OK being a victim, regardless of the odds.  More people might get hurt falling out of the bed, but that doesn't make a street assault less traumatic.    

Edited September 9, 2022 by ldubs

[cruisemom42]

5 minutes ago, ldubs said:

 

Come on now. Why make that assumption.   They didn't say they would avoid anything.  They said it isn't OK being a victim, regardless of the odds.  More people might get hurt falling out of the bed, but that doesn't make a street assault less traumatic.    

 

Apologies, I thought the poster I quoted was the same one who earlier said they avoided several cities due to the higher likelihood of being a victim of violent crime. Turns out my memory was playing tricks....

 

(See, it really costs nothing to say sorry when one is wrong. 😉)

[skrufy]

Acapulco , Mexico. 

[ldubs]

1 minute ago, cruisemom42 said:

 

Apologies, I thought the poster I quoted was the same one who earlier said they avoided several cities due to the higher likelihood of being a victim of violent crime. Turns out my memory was playing tricks....

 

(See, it really costs nothing to say sorry when one is wrong. 😉)

 

Ah, I understand.  No worries.

 

[mandwcruise]

2 hours ago, donaldsc said:

 

The state of New York is 8th on the list of the number of mass shootings with 5.  The top ones in order numbers are California (23), Florida (12), Texas (12), Washington (7), Colorado (7), Wisconsin (5), Pennsylvania (5).  Do you plan to completely avoid all those states?  Yes I do realize that these numbers are total and not per capita but they are still useful numbers.  My home state of Nevada has only 2.

 

DON

 

Violent crime =/= mass shootings

[wowzz]

2 hours ago, donaldsc said:

My home state of Nevada has only 2.

I love the use of the word "only " !

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by wowzz

[donaldsc]

43 minutes ago, mandwcruise said:

 

Violent crime =/= mass shootings

 

I understand that but it was a number that I could come up w easily.  I did a further search and came up with this.  New York is #11 at the low end of the number of violent crimes.  Take a look at the ones at the bottom that are the worse state.  How about we all move to Vermont.  Sort of interesting that Illinois which has Chicago which is the murder capitol of the country is right about in the middle.  I guess that my home state of Nevada is not so good on this list.

 

Check out this site - http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm.  Lots of neat stuff on it.

 

U.S. Crime Index State Rank

A total of 51 results found. Show Results on Map. The crime index value is calculated based on the data using USA.com algorithms. It is an indicator of the crime level in a region. Higher crime index value means more crime.  How about we all move to Vermont.  

Rank	Crime Index ▲	State / Population
1.	950	Vermont / 626,358
2.	956	New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3.	985	North Dakota / 704,925
4.	1,017	Maine / 1,328,535
5.	1,042	South Dakota / 834,708
6.	1,068	Idaho / 1,599,464
7.	1,125	Virginia / 8,185,131
8.	1,136	Wyoming / 575,251
9.	1,171	Connecticut / 3,592,053
10.	1,180	New Jersey / 8,874,374
11.	1,194	New York / 19,594,330
12.	1,203	Iowa / 3,078,116
13.	1,227	Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14.	1,230	Montana / 1,006,370
15.	1,235	West Virginia / 1,853,881
16.	1,268	Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17.	1,298	Minnesota / 5,383,661
18.	1,305	Kentucky / 4,383,272
19.	1,335	Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20.	1,368	Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21.	1,390	Nebraska / 1,855,617
22.	1,405	Utah / 2,858,111
23.	1,497	Oregon / 3,900,343
24.	1,526	Colorado / 5,197,580
25.	1,584	Mississippi / 2,984,345
26.	1,599	Indiana / 6,542,411
27.	1,608	Hawaii / 1,392,704
28.	1,616	Illinois / 12,868,747
29.	1,670	Kansas / 2,882,946
30.	1,691	Ohio / 11,560,380
31.	1,701	California / 38,066,920
32.	1,757	Michigan / 9,889,024
33.	1,855	Washington / 6,899,123
34.	1,858	Missouri / 6,028,076
35.	1,869	North Carolina / 9,750,405
36.	1,884	Maryland / 5,887,776
37.	1,911	Georgia / 9,907,756
38.	1,938	Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39.	1,941	Alabama / 4,817,678
40.	1,962	Texas / 26,092,033
41.	1,974	Delaware / 917,060
42.	1,986	Alaska / 728,300
43.	2,025	Arizona / 6,561,516
44.	2,065	Arkansas / 2,947,036
45.	2,095	Florida / 19,361,792
46.	2,167	Louisiana / 4,601,049
47.	2,180	Nevada / 2,761,584
48.	2,194	Tennessee / 6,451,365
49.	2,241	New Mexico / 2,080,085
50.	2,253	South Carolina / 4,727,273
51.	3,747	District of Columbia / 633,736

 

DON

Edited September 9, 2022 by donaldsc

[mandwcruise]

32 minutes ago, donaldsc said:

 

I understand that but it was a number that I could come up w easily.  I did a further search and came up with this.  New York is #11 at the low end of the number of violent crimes.  Take a look at the ones at the bottom that are the worse state.  How about we all move to Vermont.  Sort of interesting that Illinois which has Chicago which is the murder capitol of the country is right about in the middle.  I guess that my home state of Nevada is not so good on this list.

 

Check out this site - http://www.usa.com/rank/us--crime-index--state-rank.htm.  Lots of neat stuff on it.

 

U.S. Crime Index State Rank

A total of 51 results found. Show Results on Map. The crime index value is calculated based on the data using USA.com algorithms. It is an indicator of the crime level in a region. Higher crime index value means more crime.  How about we all move to Vermont.  

Rank	Crime Index ▲	State / Population
1.	950	Vermont / 626,358
2.	956	New Hampshire / 1,321,069
3.	985	North Dakota / 704,925
4.	1,017	Maine / 1,328,535
5.	1,042	South Dakota / 834,708
6.	1,068	Idaho / 1,599,464
7.	1,125	Virginia / 8,185,131
8.	1,136	Wyoming / 575,251
9.	1,171	Connecticut / 3,592,053
10.	1,180	New Jersey / 8,874,374
11.	1,194	New York / 19,594,330
12.	1,203	Iowa / 3,078,116
13.	1,227	Wisconsin / 5,724,692
14.	1,230	Montana / 1,006,370
15.	1,235	West Virginia / 1,853,881
16.	1,268	Rhode Island / 1,053,252
17.	1,298	Minnesota / 5,383,661
18.	1,305	Kentucky / 4,383,272
19.	1,335	Pennsylvania / 12,758,729
20.	1,368	Massachusetts / 6,657,291
21.	1,390	Nebraska / 1,855,617
22.	1,405	Utah / 2,858,111
23.	1,497	Oregon / 3,900,343
24.	1,526	Colorado / 5,197,580
25.	1,584	Mississippi / 2,984,345
26.	1,599	Indiana / 6,542,411
27.	1,608	Hawaii / 1,392,704
28.	1,616	Illinois / 12,868,747
29.	1,670	Kansas / 2,882,946
30.	1,691	Ohio / 11,560,380
31.	1,701	California / 38,066,920
32.	1,757	Michigan / 9,889,024
33.	1,855	Washington / 6,899,123
34.	1,858	Missouri / 6,028,076
35.	1,869	North Carolina / 9,750,405
36.	1,884	Maryland / 5,887,776
37.	1,911	Georgia / 9,907,756
38.	1,938	Oklahoma / 3,818,851
39.	1,941	Alabama / 4,817,678
40.	1,962	Texas / 26,092,033
41.	1,974	Delaware / 917,060
42.	1,986	Alaska / 728,300
43.	2,025	Arizona / 6,561,516
44.	2,065	Arkansas / 2,947,036
45.	2,095	Florida / 19,361,792
46.	2,167	Louisiana / 4,601,049
47.	2,180	Nevada / 2,761,584
48.	2,194	Tennessee / 6,451,365
49.	2,241	New Mexico / 2,080,085
50.	2,253	South Carolina / 4,727,273
51.	3,747	District of Columbia / 633,736

 

DON

 

What is the methodology behind this "ranking", one that claims that DC is the safest? LOL

Without additional info, we can only assume that "crime" is literal, meaning it includes non-violent crimes.

 

Murderers, rapists, and armed robbers (the violent ones that were the focus of that image I posted) pose a far more relevant threat than shoplifters.

[Zach1213]

6 hours ago, donaldsc said:

Sort of interesting that Illinois which has Chicago which is the murder capitol of the country

 

Murder capital of the country by sheer number, but nowhere close to the top when it comes to per capita where it is ranked behind such places as Milwaukee, Rochester, Kansas City, and Richmond.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/emerging-crime-capitals-america-these-cities-have-highest-murders-per-capita

[Elaine5715]

8 hours ago, mandwcruise said:

 

What is the methodology behind this "ranking", one that claims that DC is the safest? LOL

Without additional info, we can only assume that "crime" is literal, meaning it includes non-violent crimes.

 

Murderers, rapists, and armed robbers (the violent ones that were the focus of that image I posted) pose a far more relevant threat than shoplifters.

Plus it is reported crimes or crimes that enter the court system?  Pretty sure in some places it is a waste of time to report criminals activities like the shops in places where there is no prosecution for property crimes, assaults or where the police don't even respond,  

[Ride-The-Waves]

For cruisers, which I believe it the intent of this thread, Barcelona may be the worst.  Have watched two crimes in Barcelona, one upstairs in a restaurant where the perp grabbed a bag and ran downstairs...and tumbled yje last 6 steps...  Victim got the bag back.  Only place I have lost a wallet was in Paris near the Eiffel tower - not pay attention standing in line to buy water for the bus ride back to the ship.  The perps (Roma) charged a $2 phone call to a credit card.  Have watched people being beaten by police in Jerusalem - horrible.  

 

BL:  If you don't feel safe and the hair on the back of your neck is standing up, don't go there.  Always be aware of your situation and surroundings.  Walk with determination.  We have traveled the world and visited all 7 continents (penguins in Antarctica were non threatening).  You can be robbed/assaulted just about anywhere.  I once drove about 5 miles off the Interstate in central Louisiana - not the place I wanted to be and quickly u-turned back to civilization.  Traveled extensively in eastern Europe during the "Communist" era and never felt threatened.  

Edited September 9, 2022 by Ride-The-Waves

[SargassoPirate]

On 9/9/2022 at 7:51 PM, Ride-The-Waves said:

For cruisers, which I believe it the intent of this thread, Barcelona may be the worst.  Have watched two crimes in Barcelona, one upstairs in a restaurant where the perp grabbed a bag and ran downstairs...and tumbled yje last 6 steps...  Victim got the bag back.  Only place I have lost a wallet was in Paris near the Eiffel tower - not pay attention standing in line to buy water for the bus ride back to the ship.  The perps (Roma) charged a $2 phone call to a credit card.  Have watched people being beaten by police in Jerusalem - horrible.  

 

BL:  If you don't feel safe and the hair on the back of your neck is standing up, don't go there.  Always be aware of your situation and surroundings.  Walk with determination.  We have traveled the world and visited all 7 continents (penguins in Antarctica were non threatening).  You can be robbed/assaulted just about anywhere.  I once drove about 5 miles off the Interstate in central Louisiana - not the place I wanted to be and quickly u-turned back to civilization.  Traveled extensively in eastern Europe during the "Communist" era and never felt threatened.  

On road trips, my gauge for safety is "if I get a flat tire now, I'm driving on it".  Had that feeling in east St. Louis one time after taking a wrong exit.

 

On foot in cities, I scan ahead constantly and will sometimes cross the street when we don't need to because of somebody I've noticed down the block. 

 

 

[iancal]

10 hours ago, SargassoPirate said:

On road trips, my gauge for safety is "if I get a flat tire now, I'm driving on it".  Had that feeling in east St. Louis one time after taking a wrong exit.

 

On foot in cities, I scan ahead constantly and will sometimes cross the street when we don't need to because of somebody I've noticed down the block. 

 

 

We did the same in Rio a number of years ago.  Went into a jewelry store to exchange some money (rates were 25 percent better than the official bank rate at that time).  Came out and sensed that we were being followed.    

 

We walked back to our hotel, stayed in our room for a half hour then went back out.

 

We had a similar experience in Miami.

 

[donaldsc]

On 9/8/2022 at 5:25 PM, Elaine5715 said:

When you are the victim, any rate is too high

 

If you use that idea - consider the city of Ocean Beach NY which has a crime rate of 16,000 which is the highest rate of any city in the state.  This is the most dangerous city in New York State to be in.  Their crime rate is 16507 as compared to the runner up which has a crime rate of 3996.   So is it really so dangerous to be in Ocean Beach.  When Ocean Beach has a population of 59 while the runner up is Buffalo w a population of 260.000.  The crime in Ocean Beach was probably a theft.  

 

DON

 

[navybankerteacher]

14 hours ago, SargassoPirate said:

...

 

On foot in cities, I scan ahead constantly and will sometimes cross the street when we don't need to because of somebody I've noticed down the block. 

 

 

That is only common sense --- I learned the "cross the street" pre-emptive move at age 7 in New York.

[Elaine5715]

2 hours ago, donaldsc said:

 

If you use that idea - consider the city of Ocean Beach NY which has a crime rate of 16,000 which is the highest rate of any city in the state.  This is the most dangerous city in New York State to be in.  Their crime rate is 16507 as compared to the runner up which has a crime rate of 3996.   So is it really so dangerous to be in Ocean Beach.  When Ocean Beach has a population of 59 while the runner up is Buffalo w a population of 260.000.  The crime in Ocean Beach was probably a theft.  

 

DON

 

16000 crimes is pretty high.  

 

[Underwatr]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:41 AM, mandwcruise said:

What is the methodology behind this "ranking", one that claims that DC is the safest? LOL

A table with Vermont on one end and DC on the other and you conclude that DC is the safe end?

 

From that site "Higher crime index value means more crime." 

[donaldsc]

59 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

16000 crimes is pretty high.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Elaine5715 said:

16000 crimes is pretty high.  

 

 

It did not say that there were 16,000 crimes which would hardly be likely in a city of less than 100 people. The crime index is based on the number of crimes as compared to the total population of the city.  Remember the population of Ocean Beach.

 

DON

 

[mandwcruise]

On 9/9/2022 at 3:41 AM, mandwcruise said:

 

What is the methodology behind this "ranking", one that claims that DC is the safest? LOL

Without additional info, we can only assume that "crime" is literal, meaning it includes non-violent crimes.

 

Murderers, rapists, and armed robbers (the violent ones that were the focus of that image I posted) pose a far more relevant threat than shoplifters.

 

3 hours ago, Underwatr said:

A table with Vermont on one end and DC on the other and you conclude that DC is the safe end?

 

From that site "Higher crime index value means more crime." 

 

Thanks for the call out, @Underwatr. I was confused because my eyes saw "New York" and thought it was comparing cities instead of states. This chart only shows that "new york state" as a whole is safer than DC as a whole...it does nothing to refute the other guy's suggestion that New York *city* is unsafe, an idea that appears to be supported by the stat I posted.

[ldubs]

On 9/11/2022 at 4:28 PM, donaldsc said:

 

If you use that idea - consider the city of Ocean Beach NY which has a crime rate of 16,000 which is the highest rate of any city in the state.  This is the most dangerous city in New York State to be in.  Their crime rate is 16507 as compared to the runner up which has a crime rate of 3996.   So is it really so dangerous to be in Ocean Beach.  When Ocean Beach has a population of 59 while the runner up is Buffalo w a population of 260.000.  The crime in Ocean Beach was probably a theft.  

 

DON

 

 

I understand your well stated point. But I think you miss the point of the victim's viewpoint. That person who had their property stolen in Ocean Beach isn't going to shrug it off because of a stat.