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cowboygene

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There are more and more episodes of violence on cruise ships, I witnessed several violent threats over things like saved seats at a show or a towel on a lounge chair. Seems to be reflective of whats happening in society today. I don't get my way or I feel "disrespected", the violence comes out.

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luckyprincess

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It wouldn't have to be a case of unprovoked felony assault (whether this particular incident was unprovoked or not seems to be a matter of speculation, by the way); I responded to a post that said a cruise line can bar you for any reason they choose. So in my example, you could go to book a Carnival cruise and hypothetically they could say "No, you are not allowed on our cruise line; we heard you were rude to a waiter on Royal." Yes, that is an exaggerated example, but I'm trying to make a point. Someone said Royal should let Carnival etc. know about this incident and I asked what they expect Carnival to do with the info, because the REALITY is that for all intents and purposes, a cruise line cannot just take the word of another cruise line that a passenger did something bad on another ship and then ban them from all of their own ships. I mean, I suppose they CAN, but it would no doubt eventually lead to a huge lawsuit. Maybe YOU would say "who cares?" but there are plenty of people out there who would be outraged if a cruise line banned them because another line shared info about something that was never adjudicated in a US courtroom, and thus never "proven" to be true or not.

 

I work in hospitality. It's really a small world in this business and it also is in cruise lines. Most higher ups know the others on different lines. If someone from another club calls us, faxes us an incident report and tells us the name of a troublemaker, we won't allow them to the club. It has happened before, I assure you and I follow our protocol of respecting the professional opinion of my colleagues. There is nothing illegal about it. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason as long as it isn't a protected class of discrimination.

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poncho1973

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The question was locking them up to hand over to US authorities, not for the protection of other passengers.

 

Yes, but the follow-up comment was about those people just wandering around the ship and the safety of everyone else.

 

Someone's US right to habeas corpus, not to be held in remand unduly, blah blah blah, legal-speak stuff... doesn't apply on a ship when the captain has any concern for the safety of his crew and passengers.

 

As has been stated repeatedly in this thread, the captain just does what is required by the law of the sea. Holding them to the next capable port or taking them in custody back to the port of origin.

 

I'm not sure exactly which rule applies where, but my point was that the concern of being sued because someone was held without trial for a day or two or three doesn't apply. I suppose if you were on a 180 night cruise and the captain held the person for 175 nights, you might have to worry with that. Most cruises being under a week (two weeks or so at most usually) the worries about improper imprisonment lawsuits under Maritime Law shouldn't even be an issue.

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P&C4/16/67

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(just playing the devil's advocate here, not condoning whatever the person in question may have done...) So if YOU tried to book a cruise on, say, Carnival, and were told "Royal Caribbean told us you were involved in an altercation on one of their ships so we are not letting you board any of our ships" you would be ok with that? Keep in mind that Carnival would likely have no idea whether or not you were ever tried, let alone convicted of anything. They would simply be taking Royal's word that something happened. Suppose you were innocent, or charges were dropped, or it was a case of mistaken identity... you would just walk away saying "oh well, they have the right to bar me and don't need a reason." Or would you pursue it, possibly through legal channels? I'm guessing the latter.

 

Just showed DH this thread and he said that with the "Patriot Act", don't be surprised if he appears on the "Don't Fly List" along with being banned by other cruise lines.

 

Phyl

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Big_G

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Jim Walker is a clown attorney. When he has no facts, he just makes things up.

 

 

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RuthlessBoss

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Just showed DH this thread and he said that with the "Patriot Act", don't be surprised if he appears on the "Don't Fly List" along with being banned by other cruise lines.

 

Phyl

I believe this is possible as our lives are now all over a computer. I doubt the incident itself is not enough to report, but if official paperwork was filed at the drop off point, it could.

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Ocean Boy

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Jim Walker is a clown attorney. When he has no facts, he just makes things up.

 

 

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He would not be out of place on CC with it's plethora of amateur lawyers.:rolleyes:

 

It seems as if the guy got most of his information from reading this thread.

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cruisnseas

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So now people here are quoting the Patriot Act and calling people clown attorneys, based on an incident they have NO real information on. Welcome to CruiseCritic:rolleyes:

 

That "attorney" is called a clown attorney because anyone that reads his site will realize he just makes it up as he goes - and has a serious grudge against certain groups.

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Griswolds

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I work in hospitality. It's really a small world in this business and it also is in cruise lines. Most higher ups know the others on different lines. If someone from another club calls us, faxes us an incident report and tells us the name of a troublemaker, we won't allow them to the club. It has happened before, I assure you and I follow our protocol of respecting the professional opinion of my colleagues. There is nothing illegal about it. We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason as long as it isn't a protected class of discrimination.

 

I agree and believe this is probably true for most privately owned companies. I work for a financial institution and if your bouncing checks or handling your accounts in an unacceptable manner, it is being reported to most other major financial institutions. If your on this report, we're not opening an account for you based on what someone else has reported. So yes, I think cruise line can share information on riff-raff and choose not to let them board the ship. I don't think cruising is a "right".

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So now people here are quoting the Patriot Act and calling people clown attorneys, based on an incident they have NO real information on. Welcome to CruiseCritic:rolleyes:

 

The clown attorney reference wasn't derived from anything that occurred on that ship. Think about it.

 

 

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RuthlessBoss

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I agree and believe this is probably true for most privately owned companies. I work for a financial institution and if your bouncing checks or handling your accounts in an unacceptable manner, it is being reported to most other major financial institutions. If your on this report, we're not opening an account for you based on what someone else has reported. So yes, I think cruise line can share information on riff-raff and choose not to let them board the ship. I don't think cruising is a "right".

This is true!! All they do is get a printout from a computer.

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I believe the attack happened around 11pm because I heard the Bravo, Bravo Bravo emergency call go out.quote]

 

I was on this cruise as well, but I'm pretty sure the "Bravo, Bravo, Bravo" that we all heard was later in the cruise and was related to a different incident.

 

(At least) four medical-related things happened on the cruise:

 

1. The man who unfortunately died while snorkling in Dominica

2. The man with the comfort dog that was attacked in the Solarium

3. A woman that passed out in the casino (that was the "Bravo, Bravo, Bravo" announcement and the announcement specifically referenced Deck 5.... my husband happened to be in the casino when it happened....within a few minutes of help arriving, she had been revived, although my husband said she still looked very ashen/green)

4. The person who required the O+ blood transfusion (I'm pretty sure this was not related to #2 because the same day that they were calling for blood donors, our friends told us that they had seen the man with the comfort dog walking somewhere on the ship with his head bandaged)

 

Despite the sadness of the events listed above, it really was a great cruise.

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I believe the attack happened around 11pm because I heard the Bravo, Bravo Bravo emergency call go out.quote]

 

I was on this cruise as well, but I'm pretty sure the "Bravo, Bravo, Bravo" that we all heard was later in the cruise and was related to a different incident.

 

(At least) four medical-related things happened on the cruise:

 

1. The man who unfortunately died while snorkling in Dominica

2. The man with the comfort dog that was attacked in the Solarium

3. A woman that passed out in the casino (that was the "Bravo, Bravo, Bravo" announcement and the announcement specifically referenced Deck 5.... my husband happened to be in the casino when it happened....within a few minutes of help arriving, she had been revived, although my husband said she still looked very ashen/green)

4. The person who required the O+ blood transfusion (I'm pretty sure this was not related to #2 because the same day that they were calling for blood donors, our friends told us that they had seen the man with the comfort dog walking somewhere on the ship with his head bandaged)

 

Despite the sadness of the events listed above, it really was a great cruise.

 

Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bravo is a fire emergency while Alpha is a medical emergency.

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Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bravo is a fire emergency while Alpha is a medical emergency.

 

Gregg, I believe you are right on this. I heard the announcement and what "I" heard was Alpha, Alpha, Alpha, Casino, Starboard side (I don't recall if aft or fwd). About 10:40 PM or so I believe.

 

I hope we get some "facts" about the perp and victim such as names. Surely some of you met them or knew them and could share.........:confused:

 

We were also on the cruise before this and I'd also like to know about the passengers that didn't make it back to the ship in St Vincent........:confused:

 

Though our cruise covered 21 days, I don't recall so many significant events on any previous cruises. Vacations are supposed to be happy times, cruises certainly have been our happiest of vacations. I certainly hope this isn't permanently changing going forward. :(

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Big Feet

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from another 68vet. (not the car or pet guy)

look at the client list of cruisers--- tat's tell the whole story. More tat's more trouble.

Look at some of the ports--- Oh my god!!!!!!!!!! Don't look to close though.

Vacation or not --- it's dangerous out there -- stay vigilant at all times.

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(At least) four medical-related things happened on the cruise:

 

1. The man who unfortunately died while snorkling in Dominica

2. The man with the comfort dog that was attacked in the Solarium

3. A woman that passed out in the casino (that was the "Bravo, Bravo, Bravo" announcement and the announcement specifically referenced Deck 5.... my husband happened to be in the casino when it happened....within a few minutes of help arriving, she had been revived, although my husband said she still looked very ashen/green)

4. The person who required the O+ blood transfusion (I'm pretty sure this was not related to #2 because the same day that they were calling for blood donors, our friends told us that they had seen the man with the comfort dog walking somewhere on the ship with his head bandaged)

It has been shown previously that the victim's dog was a seizure alert, service dog NOT a comfort dog. Under new ADA regulations, comfort dogs no longer qualify as animals that provide a service.

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