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[NJGRANNY]

that there's any excuse for beating anyone as a solution to a problem.

 

I also find it interesting how people misinterpret what they read. I thought it was clear from the first post that the dog's owner was beaten by a person who didn't think the dog should be on board and that the attacker was put off in Dominica.

 

It sickening how some people treat their fellow humans.

 

My husband and I would be happy to see a dog/dogs on board as we miss our furry child when we're away and our granddogs, too.

[cruisegirl1]

I agree. Too many missing pieces to the puzzle. I doubt that we ever find out what really happened but I think something has been left out.

 

I agree - It is hard to believe that one passenger would randomly assault another passenger?

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[Cruzinram]

My wife and myself were on this cruise and had several conversations with Freedom and his Dad. Freedoms dad at times seemed to be very intoxicated and was very loud and obnoxious in the lounges on more than one occasion. With that being said, of course there is no excuse for the assault, however, Freedoms dad may have pushed the wrong persons buttons by possibly being intoxicated. It could have also been meds that were creating his behavior. He was asked to be quiet one night during a presentation by the crew because he was so loud we could not hear the crew. Freedom is a great companion and never made a sound.

[poolchairbob]

Sad but true. I got it, maybe the Captain should keep a stash of child porn or a pound of cocaine for scenarios such as these. Toss these perpetrators in the brig after they assault innocent victims and then put drugs or porn in their stateroom. Invite the feds on board upon arrival and then they'll get arrested for the drugs or porn. Case closed throw away the key.

 

 

What a disturbing post. Did you actually think before you wrote this?

[WhansaMi]

My wife and myself were on this cruise and had several conversations with Freedom and his Dad. Freedoms dad at times seemed to be very intoxicated and was very loud and obnoxious in the lounges on more than one occasion. With that being said, of course there is no excuse for the assault, however, Freedoms dad may have pushed the wrong persons buttons by possibly being intoxicated. It could have also been meds that were creating his behavior. He was asked to be quiet one night during a presentation by the crew because he was so loud we could not hear the crew. Freedom is a great companion and never made a sound.

 

Thank you for offering a new perspective.

 

PTSD can cause people to be quite combative. It is a common thing. And, of course, substance abuse is common, as well, as the person tries to self-medicate.

 

Of course, being loud and obnoxious is not enough reason for someone to behave violently toward you. But, depending on the circumstances, it might have been enough for the Captain to decide that there were enough mitigating circumstances to warrant the perpetrator to be put off the ship, instead of being detained.

[grand isle joe]

My wife and myself were on this cruise and had several conversations with Freedom and his Dad. Freedoms dad at times seemed to be very intoxicated and was very loud and obnoxious in the lounges on more than one occasion. With that being said, of course there is no excuse for the assault, however, Freedoms dad may have pushed the wrong persons buttons by possibly being intoxicated. It could have also been meds that were creating his behavior. He was asked to be quiet one night during a presentation by the crew because he was so loud we could not hear the crew. Freedom is a great companion and never made a sound.

 

 

Oh NO! You mean there could be MORE to this story? Nahh most posts on this board already has the perp. convicted and hung from a yardarm....;)

[Ocean Boy]

Oh NO! You mean there could be MORE to this story? Nahh most posts on this board already has the perp. convicted and hung from a yardarm....;)

 

Hey, sometimes in life you just have to bite the bullet and make a decision and then move on. Too many facts start to get in the way.

[grand isle joe]

Hey, sometimes in life you just have to bite the bullet and make a decision and then move on. Too many facts start to get in the way.

 

 

..I hear 'ya.........:)

 

 

 

 

 

and a Happy Healthy New Year to you and yours O.B.

[Ocean Boy]

..I hear 'ya.........:)

 

 

 

 

 

and a Happy Healthy New Year to you and yours O.B.

 

And the very same to you, too.:)

[poncho1973]

Oh NO! You mean there could be MORE to this story? Nahh most posts on this board already has the perp. convicted and hung from a yardarm....;)

 

Like the lady who claimed that anyone with a camera (other than people like her, OF COURSE) near the FlowRider was basically a convicted pedophile/pervert and anyone who watched anyone they weren't related to on the FlowRider was trying to make females lose their clothes with the power of their minds.

 

Sometimes facts are irrelevant when they have the story locked up in their heads.

[johneeo]

.... anyone who watched anyone they weren't related to on the FlowRider was trying to make females lose their clothes with the power of their minds.

 

 

That would just be the guys.:rolleyes:

[sea shepherd]

My wife and myself were on this cruise and had several conversations with Freedom and his Dad. Freedoms dad at times seemed to be very intoxicated and was very loud and obnoxious in the lounges on more than one occasion. With that being said, of course there is no excuse for the assault, however, Freedoms dad may have pushed the wrong persons buttons by possibly being intoxicated. It could have also been meds that were creating his behavior. He was asked to be quiet one night during a presentation by the crew because he was so loud we could not hear the crew. Freedom is a great companion and never made a sound.

We were on this cruise and one night in the diamond lounge freedom and his owner sat with us. The dog was the best, The owner after a few wines started to become a problem. A person i was with had a niece on the cruise, And the dogs owner started to say thing to her the were very inappropriate. He wanted to get his photo with her and when he did he was putting his hands in places he should not have. After that we stayed away from him. So i was not surprised to hear he got beat up.

[sandy toes]

Goodness! "Not surprised that he got beat up". Anyone with a service animal, has that animal for a reason. With all the war time activity many animals are for PTSD alerts or TBI (traumatic brain injury) seizure alerts. NO one deserves to be a victim of any crime. Just because we do not see that the FBI was contacted does not mean they were not. I do know that when another assult on a different ship occured, the ship security called the cruise line main office legal group and they handled much of the details from land. We do not know what will yet become of all of this...many outcomes are still possible. I do think this individual will be on a do not sail list much like the do not fly list. The lines have to think of passenger safety or they would have huge financial losses. Also the victim has the right to a civil court hearing.

[WhansaMi]

Goodness! "Not surprised that he got beat up". Anyone with a service animal, has that animal for a reason. With all the war time activity many animals are for PTSD alerts or TBI (traumatic brain injury) seizure alerts. NO one deserves to be a victim of any crime. .

 

I agree. Violence is not the answer.

 

That said, *if* the person got out of line with a young lady, it would make the perpetrator's reaction more understandable, if not defensible.

[Big_G]

Goodness! "Not surprised that he got beat up". Anyone with a service animal, has that animal for a reason. With all the war time activity many animals are for PTSD alerts or TBI (traumatic brain injury) seizure alerts. NO one deserves to be a victim of any crime. Just because we do not see that the FBI was contacted does not mean they were not. I do know that when another assult on a different ship occured, the ship security called the cruise line main office legal group and they handled much of the details from land. We do not know what will yet become of all of this...many outcomes are still possible. I do think this individual will be on a do not sail list much like the do not fly list. The lines have to think of passenger safety or they would have huge financial losses. Also the victim has the right to a civil court hearing.

 

First, if you've ever had to deal with someone suffering PTSD or TBI it can be a very unpleasant experience particularly when alcohol is involved. Secondly, no one said he deserved a beating. Maybe we shouldn't try to take sides in this story considering we don't know all the facts...OK, scratch that last one. This is Cruise Critic, what was I thinking.

 

 

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[BecciBoo]

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It's a sad time that we live in today' date=' where no one feels responsible for ones actions.

 

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And compassion for others has just seemed to vanish. Total selfishness abounds........:(

[mheinrich]

 

We were able to say goodby to our friend and Freedom as they were being transferred to an ambulance in port to go to the hospital in FLL to check for internal injuries. He has suspected broken ribs and possible internal injuries from repeated kicks to his side and back after he was knocked down in the initial attack

 

Am I the only one confused that this attack happened PRIOR to DR and the victim had "possible internal injuries," but he was left on the ship until they got back in port to FLL?????

 

Possible to me means the Dr. on the ship wasn't sure. Why was this man left on the ship and not sent to a hospital on land for treatment????

[BecciBoo]

With all the "other side of the story" s being told now, its easy to see that we will never hear the Real Story.

Reminds me of the children's game...Pass It On...the story is never the original one at the end. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Maybe the victim insulted the perp or his family and he felt threatened. From all the other accounts, there may be justification for the victim to be chastized in this case.

We'll never know, but the one thing that is certain, is that it's not a very compassionate world out there these days. The kind thing would've been to ignore the man and his dog and yes, there is never any justification for violence...unless it's to protect yourself or your family. To be truthfull, there have been times in the face of unacceptable behaviour that I have felt like beating someone up.

But a sensible compassionate person weighs his feelings with common sense. Some people's fuses are way too short these days...the "I've had it and I'm not gonna take it any more" syndrome. I sympathize with that, because I have felt it many times myself, but my Momma raised me right. I would've moved on.

Happy sailing.:D

[Ocean Boy]

With all the "other side of the story" s being told now, its easy to see that we will never hear the Real Story.

Reminds me of the children's game...Pass It On...the story is never the original one at the end. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Maybe the victim insulted the perp or his family and he felt threatened. From all the other accounts, there may be justification for the victim to be chastized in this case.

We'll never know, but the one thing that is certain, is that it's not a very compassionate world out there these days. The kind thing would've been to ignore the man and his dog and yes, there is never any justification for violence...unless it's to protect yourself or your family. To be truthfull, there have been times in the face of unacceptable behaviour that I have felt like beating someone up.

But a sensible compassionate person weighs his feelings with common sense. Some people's fuses are way too short these days...the "I've had it and I'm not gonna take it any more" syndrome. I sympathize with that, because I have felt it many times myself, but my Momma raised me right. I would've moved on.

Happy sailing.:D

 

Since, as you state, non of us knows, including you, what happened, I think it is pretty hard to make a statement about how you would have responded. You are spectulating on how you would have responded to an unknown event.

[waterbug123]

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[Paulxyz2004]

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good choice

[luckyprincess]

Goodness! "Not surprised that he got beat up". Anyone with a service animal, has that animal for a reason. With all the war time activity many animals are for PTSD alerts or TBI (traumatic brain injury) seizure alerts. NO one deserves to be a victim of any crime. Just because we do not see that the FBI was contacted does not mean they were not. I do know that when another assult on a different ship occured, the ship security called the cruise line main office legal group and they handled much of the details from land. We do not know what will yet become of all of this...many outcomes are still possible. I do think this individual will be on a do not sail list much like the do not fly list. The lines have to think of passenger safety or they would have huge financial losses. Also the victim has the right to a civil court hearing.

 

No one said he deserved to be beaten! Jeez! They said that due to his obnoxious and inappropriate behavior it wasn't surprising that he was beat up. That in no one says he deserves it but that often violent confrontations come about when obnoxious, intoxicated behavior rears its head. I mean, it's a classic combination for a fist fight, sad as that may be.

[joe6666]

But remember folks…..

Just because violence isn’t the answer for everything doesn’t mean that it isn’t the answer for lots of things….

[travelplus]

This is terrible. How dare someone would assault someone because of their service dog. I am shocked that something like this would happen. I think RCCL should give a free cruise with airfare, hotel, shore excursions, all specialty dining and unlimited beverage package to the person assulated on any sailing and charge it to the perpetrator. I hope the person who assaulted this man will be put behind bars or at least be subjected to pay all medical bills, evacuation, new vacation etc.

 

If I was the person hurt I would be demanding a lot of compensation and as soon as I'm better I would be on the phone with RCCL getting an all expense paid transatlantic cruise in the nicest suite not on my expense. Even if I had insurance it still did not allow me to enjoy a vacation.

 

I hope the person who assaulted the man is banned from Cruise Critic if he is a member and cruising for life/ This man needs to volunteer with people who have disabilities because he seems like a guy with no compassion. A service animal is like an aid who is there to assist the person with the disability.

 

I hope to see a press release from Mr. Goldstein on this senseless act.

[Ocean Boy]

This is terrible. How dare someone would assault someone because of their service dog. I am shocked that something like this would happen. I think RCCL should give a free cruise with airfare, hotel, shore excursions, all specialty dining and unlimited beverage package to the person assulated on any sailing and charge it to the perpetrator. I hope the person who assaulted this man will be put behind bars or at least be subjected to pay all medical bills, evacuation, new vacation etc.

 

If I was the person hurt I would be demanding a lot of compensation and as soon as I'm better I would be on the phone with RCCL getting an all expense paid transatlantic cruise in the nicest suite not on my expense. Even if I had insurance it still did not allow me to enjoy a vacation.

 

I hope the person who assaulted the man is banned from Cruise Critic if he is a member and cruising for life/ This man needs to volunteer with people who have disabilities because he seems like a guy with no compassion. A service animal is like an aid who is there to assist the person with the disability.

 

I hope to see a press release from Mr. Goldstein on this senseless act.

 

Well, with all of those remedies and punishments it seems that you must have all of the facts. So could you please enlighten all the rest of us who know next to nothing about what happened during the incident?